I found something that the NX-01 Enterprise can beat

[SirNitram]

Don't get pissy with me because I can back up my claims that Farscape weapons ranges pale in comparison to ST's.

And you still can't read! Amazing. Go back and read what I actually posted, idiot boy.

[Crossover_Maniac]

Don't get pissy with me because I can back up my claims that Farscape weapons ranges pale in comparison to ST's.

WHO CARES ABOUT THE FUCKING RANGES, DICKHEAD?! IF YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT THE NX-01 CAN HURT THE CARRIER IN THE FIRST PLACE, WHAT HELP WILL RANGE BE?!

And how does THAT help you at all anyway?! That's a TNG quote! We're talking about a ship that sailed more than a century earlier! Do you honestly think you can compare the two?!!?

I was correcting some B5 by SirNitrim about Trek ships fighting at ranges of 45 klicks, asshole.

[SirNitram]

Don't get pissy with me because I can back up my claims that Farscape weapons ranges pale in comparison to ST's.

WHO CARES ABOUT THE FUCKING RANGES, DICKHEAD?! IF YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT THE NX-01 CAN HURT THE CARRIER IN THE FIRST PLACE, WHAT HELP WILL RANGE BE?!

And how does THAT help you at all anyway?! That's a TNG quote! We're talking about a ship that sailed more than a century earlier! Do you honestly think you can compare the two?!!?

I was correcting some B5 by SirNitrim about Trek ships fighting at ranges of 45 klicks, asshole.

And they do. TNG. DS9. Voyager. The movies. All those visuals. Normal combat range is sub-100 Klicks. Wank to a singular happening all you want, but SOP is up real close.

[Kuja]

I was correcting some B5 by SirNitrim about Trek ships fighting at ranges of 45 klicks, asshole.

That's not my fucking point, dickhead. Reread it.

[Crossover_Maniac]

WHO CARES ABOUT THE FUCKING RANGES, DICKHEAD?! IF YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT THE NX-01 CAN HURT THE CARRIER IN THE FIRST PLACE, WHAT HELP WILL RANGE BE?!

And how does THAT help you at all anyway?! That's a TNG quote! We're talking about a ship that sailed more than a century earlier! Do you honestly think you can compare the two?!!?

I was correcting some B5 by SirNitrim about Trek ships fighting at ranges of 45 klicks, asshole.

And they do. TNG. DS9. Voyager. The movies. All those visuals. Normal combat range is sub-100 Klicks. Wank to a singular happening all you want, but SOP is up real close.

Don't go there, SirNitram. If you going by visuals, the torpedo that Luke shot into the thermal exhaust of the DS wasn't pulling 72,000 g's. If the visuals matched the calculations, the angular velocity of the torpedo would have been

angular velocity=(acceleration/radius)^0.5
angular velocity=(72,000*9.8/2)^0.5
angular velocity=594 radians/second.

The time it would have taken for the torpedo to make a 90 degree turn would have been

time=(radians)/angular velocity
time=(0.5*PI)/594 radians; 90 degrees=0.5*PI
time=0.002644 seconds

It took a lot longer than 0.002644 seconds for the proton torpedo to make its turn. I let that go because I don't go that strict on the visuals, but if you want to play that game...

[SirNitram]

You can take it up with Mike on those calc's, I did not make them. If you wish to contest your view of SW and ST take it to the appropriate board. My complaint against you is the same throughout, you have the reading comprehension of a cat, and you are incredibly bias. Are you done hijacking this yet?

[Crossover_Maniac]

You can take it up with Mike on those calc's, I did not make them. If you wish to contest your view of SW and ST take it to the appropriate board. My complaint against you is the same throughout, you have the reading comprehension of a cat, and you are incredibly bias. Are you done hijacking this yet?

I'm not the one going to strictly going by the visuals. There's a reason why the ships are shown so close together. It's a problem in something called scaling. If you scaled the ships and tried to show both of them on the screen at the same time while they're tens of thousands of kilometers from each other, then ships are smaller than the pixels on your TV set. So, the producers of ST show them closer together. That's why I don't usual go by the visuals when going by distances. The range on the CC's frag cannons are even worse going by the visuals in the pilot episode. As for being done, until I get more information on the show, yes. If I find anything else, then I'll be back to finish this up.

[SirNitram]

Normal trite bullshit about visuals being unreliable. Sometimes trolls never change.

I await your misconceptions of Farscape.

[Kuja]

Are you a MORON?! What do SW calcs have to do with this?

Nevermind, I'll answer for you: YES and NOTHING!!!

[Crossover_Maniac]

Are you a MORON?! What do SW calcs have to do with this?

Nevermind, I'll answer for you: YES and NOTHING!!!

The threat subject when from NX-01 vs. CC to the use of visual vs. dialogue. My point was the visuals doesn't back up the calculations of the torpedo acceleration doesn't match the visuals. If I've made mistakes with my calculations, then point them out. Otherwise, shut the hell up.

[SirNitram]

Are you a MORON?! What do SW calcs have to do with this?

Nevermind, I'll answer for you: YES and NOTHING!!!

The threat subject when from NX-01 vs. CC to the use of visual vs. dialogue. My point was the visuals doesn't back up the calculations of the torpedo acceleration doesn't match the visuals. If I've made mistakes with my calculations, then point them out. Otherwise, shut the hell up.

Your point is nothing to do with the topic or anything Iggy and I have claimed. Again, can you actually read?

[Kuja]

Your point is nothing to do with the topic or anything Iggy and I have claimed. Again, can you actually read?

Oh, he can read. He just can'tcomprehendwhat he reads.

[NecronLord]

Errr You do know that the CC's missile range is well beyond both visual and sensor range (Moya's anyway) and the only reason Moya is not killed by said missile is thanks to scorpius' spy on the CC warning them in advance.

Please tell me how the fuck the NX-01 will survive that. Add to that the fact that the CCs size dictates that it has massively greater material strengh. Then add it's multiple overlapping defense screens.

[NecronLord]

Hey NecrophiliaLord, prove to me that

1). Worf doesn't crap hypermatter after eating at Taco Bell

2). Your brain isn't made up of rat dropping.

OK then crossover munchkin.

1) We have no energy yeild for Worf's shit. (excluding the ent-D)

2) I am communicating with you am I not?

[Shinova]

CM, if you're going to debate NX vs CC, then STICK to NX and CC!! Stop jumping to other ST shows and SW!!!

[AdmiralKanos]

Are you a MORON?! What do SW calcs have to do with this?

Nevermind, I'll answer for you: YES and NOTHING!!!

The threat subject when from NX-01 vs. CC to the use of visual vs. dialogue. My point was the visuals doesn't back up the calculations of the torpedo acceleration doesn't match the visuals. If I've made mistakes with my calculations, then point them out. Otherwise, shut the hell up.

You're trying to change the subject, as you always do. As for the torp, one normally does not resort to slow-mo in order to explain things, but the fact is that slo-mo remains a possibility since it can and has been used on footage in real life (duh), and if the torp slowed down so dramatically, then Luke would have easily passed it. Do we look at slow-mo close-quarters combat on B5 when the station was breached and conclude that the laws of physics changed? Of course not.

Ranges, on the other hand, have no such excuse. And even if you go by the "visuals distort the facts" bullshit (as if the producers care more about scientific accuracy in dialogue than they do in visuals, which you know to be a lie), there is considerable dialogue for short ranges as well, as listed in my canon database. Also consider the example of the Equinox, which flew into the atmosphere of a planet whereupon Voyager had to follow it into the atmosphere in order to maintain the pursuit, otherwise it would be forced to break off and let Equinox move out of weapons range. How deep is a planet's atmosphere, CM? And what about "Redemption", where Worf manually targeted his weapons? Are you going to tell me that you can manually target a ship that's thousands of km away? Don't make me laugh. And how about "Valiant", when the ship had to approach to within a few hundred metres? How about TDiC, when Sisko ordered them to hold fire until within 500 metres?

You're just looking for excuses to squirm out of a tight spot. As always.

[Shinova]

Oh, one thing:


I'm all in favor of the Peacekeepers in this debate. However, if any of you recall the very first Farscape episode, Crais' CC did fire three frag cannon shots. They hit Moya and seemed to do nothing.

Or am I missing something here.

[NecronLord]

http://www.johnskeedvabbq.com/Transcrip ... esCSS.html

EXT SPACE - CGI - COMMAND CARRIER
Command Carrier cruises, no sign of escort.

COMMAND CARRIER
Reworked wormhole lab and lab hangar from ITLD1&2, weapons research area seems likely. Long on the vaulted space as a woman's voice runs down the project. In the far bg, another woman stands looking out a bank of windows that extends from ceiling to near the floor.

PONARA [O.S.]
The missle carries a pulse charge... on impact, the pulse charge will destroy the biologics, killing the Leviathan.
Cut to the hangar area, looking 'into' the lab area, the woman at the window is Grayza; standing silently, arms crossed, listening.

BRACA [O.S.]
And it doesn't affect any of the life forms on board?
PONARA [O.S.]
The passengers will be unaffected.
Cut to long on the hangar area, Grayza in the far bg beyond the windows. Braca and a woman examine a large cylindrical shape suspended in a harness; looks to be a massive torpedo.

You know you want to see 8472 challenge the PK's don't you

JOHN
And there's no way for us to stop this Peacekeeper... super torpedo?
SCORPIUS
( sighs )
Once locked on, it'll be able to ride Moya's slipstream through Starburst.

PONARA
( over comms )
You should be coming into range any microt now.
BRACA
Missle reads armed and ready.

At which point they are well beyond visual range, in addition said missiles can be mounted on smaller vessels extending the effectinve range of the CC yet again. Have you had enough yet or do I need to keep this up?

[NecronLord]

Oh, one thing:


I'm all in favor of the Peacekeepers in this debate. However, if any of you recall the very first Farscape episode, Crais' CC did fire three frag cannon shots. They hit Moya and seemed to do nothing.

Or am I missing something here.

Only one hit, and as stated before by me, the frag cannons are likely point defence.

[Shinova]

Oh, and has there been any mention of Peacekeepers BDZing planets?

[NecronLord]

Not that I can think of no.

[Crossover_Maniac]

The threat subject when from NX-01 vs. CC to the use of visual vs. dialogue. My point was the visuals doesn't back up the calculations of the torpedo acceleration doesn't match the visuals. If I've made mistakes with my calculations, then point them out. Otherwise, shut the hell up.

You're trying to change the subject, as you always do.

BS. SirNitwit made a blanketed statement about how ST ships has extrememly short range, and I corrected him.

As for the torp, one normally does not resort to slow-mo in order to explain things, but the fact is that slo-mo remains a possibility since it can and has been used on footage in real life (duh),

So is filming in fast forward. You'd seen the nature show where a flower blooms in seconds when it should have taken much longer. Maybe the destruction of Alderaan was fast forwarded. Maybe the DS barely is just powerful enough to barely blow up a planet.

and if the torp slowed down so dramatically, then Luke would have easily passed it.

Depends on how fast it can decelerate (we can see that the warhead and move under its own power), how fast Luke was traveling, how close he was to the thermal exhaust port when he fired.

Do we look at slow-mo close-quarters combat on B5 when the station was breached and conclude that the laws of physics changed? Of course not.[/quote]

Ranges, on the other hand, have no such excuse.

Only because it suits your purposes.

And even if you go by the "visuals distort the facts" bullshit

Like the visual of the fleet firing on each other in RotJ? (Luke can look out a window and make out the different ships firing on each other)? Why would ISD's with ranges of millions of km need to fight close enough to each you can see the ships with the naked eye?

(as if the producers care more about scientific accuracy in dialogue than they do in visuals, which you know to be a lie), there is considerable dialogue for short ranges as well, as listed in my canon database. Also consider the example of the Equinox, which flew into the atmosphere of a planet whereupon Voyager had to follow it into the atmosphere in order to maintain the pursuit, otherwise it would be forced to break off and let Equinox move out of weapons range. How deep is a planet's atmosphere, CM? And what about "Redemption", where Worf manually targeted his weapons? Are you going to tell me that you can manually target a ship that's thousands of km away? Don't make me laugh. And how about "Valiant", when the ship had to approach to within a few hundred metres? How about TDiC, when Sisko ordered them to hold fire until within 500 metres?

You're picking and choosing your canon again. I'm sure you don't bother asking yourself whether or not 400 GW figures for the ship in "Survivors" is accurate. The figures gave you a result you like. Otherwise, you'd dismiss them as scientific inaccuracies in the show. As for close range fighting,

1). The Voyager was a ship that hasn't been in port for repairs and maintainance in years and to top it off, it's seen more than its share of combat. It's a wonder the ship wasn't flying apart at the seems.

2). Sisko used the same tactic in "Through the Looking Glass" to avoid being hit by the guns on a Klingon capital ship.

3). Why was it that 'In the Empire Strikes Back" all of the ISD's where flying less than their own length from the Millenium Falcon. Don't tell me that they can't target something as small as the Falcon without being that close to it. And even flying that close, they were missing the ship. And let everyone claims that TL's has a range of 75 space units. (100 space units for the DS superlaser, which is in metric units, is 47 million km).

[Kuja]

Quit it with the SW arguments, dickhead. They help you not.

[Crossover_Maniac]

Quit it with the SW arguments, dickhead. They help you not.

If you see a problem with my argument, say so. Otherwise, shut the hell up, asswipe.

[Kuja]

If you see a problem with my argument, say so. Otherwise, shut the hell up, asswipe.

Your so-called 'argument' is completely irrelevant to the topic of NX-01 fighting the CC. Get back on topic so you can admit defeat, jackass.