If that Excelsior is in transporter range they're ALREADY deep within the range of the turbolaser. Unless they're outside its field of fire they're screwed anyway.
I recall transporter range being in the thousand to tens of thousands of kilometers, which, discounting NJO wankery, is significantly longer than effective turbolaser range. And besides, even if a turbolaser does have light-hour range that just means they have hours to dodge it.
One, prove that transporters have 10K range, and prove TL don't.
Light Minute, not hours...and it wasn't NJO wankery, so fuck off.
Can't I just go to warp? Seriously, why do I have to fight them?
Somehow, trying to run away from a ship that is perhaps millions of times faster than yours doesn't seem like a good idea.
And neither is the arbitrary clause that you are trying to do by not providing that because the transporter range is somehow out of the way of TL range because you cannot come up with anything better.
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Batman wrote:If that Excelsior is in transporter range they're ALREADY deep within the range of the turbolaser. Unless they're outside its field of fire they're screwed anyway.
That's easy, the op already implies the Excelsior didn't get vaporized so the Excelsior is obviously staying out of LOS. The other side of the planet's nice, with Sulu commanding keeping the Excelsior away. And me being Sulu .
Batman wrote:If that Excelsior is in transporter range they're ALREADY deep within the range of the turbolaser. Unless they're outside its field of fire they're screwed anyway.
That's easy, the op already implies the Excelsior didn't get vaporized so the Excelsior is obviously staying out of LOS. The other side of the planet's nice, with Sulu commanding keeping the Excelsior away. And me being Sulu .
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That works. If there is evidence for transporting right through a planet (which, incidentally, would mean the shield is no longer in the way so why is it still a problem?), which I think is unlikely, given the amount of materials that makes beaming difficult if not impossible.
I can't recall any incidence of the Feds beaming through 1,000s of km of anything solid. Of course, I've been wrong before.
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Being in transporter range doesn't actually mean you can transport. They could be on the other side of the planet and be in transporter range. The op doesn't mention any transportation at all, only a shuttle. It's vague with "you can move troops around." Unless you can explain why they would shoot down an unidentified shuttle and not shoot down the mothership in the same breath.
Call me pedantic Brian but if someone says 'in X range' I assume they are in range to actually DO X, not in 'theoratical' range if it weren't for that pesky planet being in the way.
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'You're a princess from a society of immortal warriors. I'm a rich kid with issues. Lots of issues.'
'No. No dating for the Batman. It might cut into your brooding time.'
'Tactically we have multiple objectives. So we need to split into teams.'-'Dibs on the Amazon!'
'Hey, we both have a Martian's phone number on our speed dial. I think I deserve the benefit of the doubt.'
'You know, for a guy with like 50 different kinds of vision, you sure are blind.'
Then you still got to answer why the Imperials would shoot down the shuttlecraft on approach but not have shot down the Excelsior before, or have shot down the Excelsior immediately after shooting down the shuttlecraft.
It's easy to think of a scenario like this. If it's a really big theatre shield, continent spanning, it could wrap around the curvature of the planet. Then the Excelsior could still move troops around the exterior of the shield and be in transporter range but not be in line of sight of the turbolaser.
Brianeyci, the station doesn't seem that important, so why would it be that big. Also wouldn't the Imperials have thought of this problem before hand and made the shield small enough so that the shuttle couldn't go far.
With that many men, couldn't you shut down the shuttle and have it be drag out to have it meet the Excelsior to land more people to the ground?
You make no sense fusion. What the hell does the shield size have to do with the shuttle's range? If anything the Imperials would extend the shield size so the shuttle can't approach. And why would the Imperials shoot at the shuttle and not the Excelsior in the same breath, and why not when the Excelsior was on approach or just came out of warp if they had orders to shoot anything?
The spirit of the op is obviously to compare ground forces, not combat forces and it's logically possible (even if it's unlikely) for all the conditions of the op to be met so I don't know why you want to circumvent it.
brianeyci wrote:Then you still got to answer why the Imperials would shoot down the shuttlecraft on approach but not have shot down the Excelsior before, or have shot down the Excelsior immediately after shooting down the shuttlecraft.
Thankfully I don't. BDZ does. But then he seems to have some misconceptions about TL ranges in the first place.
It's easy to think of a scenario like this. If it's a really big theatre shield, continent spanning, it could wrap around the curvature of the planet. Then the Excelsior could still move troops around the exterior of the shield and be in transporter range but not be in line of sight of the turbolaser.
Brian
You know what, I agree. But it should have been DBZ who worked that out, not you. Besides, the Excelsior wouldn't be out of range, it would be out of the TLs field of fire.
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'You're a princess from a society of immortal warriors. I'm a rich kid with issues. Lots of issues.'
'No. No dating for the Batman. It might cut into your brooding time.'
'Tactically we have multiple objectives. So we need to split into teams.'-'Dibs on the Amazon!'
'Hey, we both have a Martian's phone number on our speed dial. I think I deserve the benefit of the doubt.'
'You know, for a guy with like 50 different kinds of vision, you sure are blind.'
Sorry braineyci. I was under the premise that the Redshirts were in Excelsior to begin with and that they were to beam down, and then infiltrate. Never mind.
Batman wrote:I think the general idea is they need to go through the anomaly to go back home or their in the situoaton VOY was in, only more so.
And I just noticed something.
If that Excelsior is in transporter range they're ALREADY deep within the range of the turbolaser. Unless they're outside its field of fire they're screwed anyway.
Right? So why will they stop me going through the anomoly? My ship is too primative to seriously interest them, but too advanced to get their Patentented Galactic Empire "Vivisect the Primatives" urges going.
Why can't I just fly through the anomoly. Why would they care?
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The spaceborne part of this scenario is horribly broken; I think that has been established. If you just ignore that and focus on the ground portion of the scenario, you have a bunch of redshirts with phaser rifles, a pair of RPGs, and a 4:1 numerical advantage against an entrenched foe in a fortified structure, complete with high-overlook guard towers that have heavy weapon emplacements in them.
Honestly, unless the Imperials are complete imbeciles, this should be a cakewalk for the stormies. This kind of attack is precisely what they were trained to deal with.
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First, I send a shuttle with a dozen redshirts in an obviously incompetant frontal attack on the base with orders to get captured. Once that happens I wait until the POWs are transfered to an Imperial holding cell.
Then I detonate the antimatter bombs hidden in the stomachs of the redshirts.
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I'm probably out of bounds again but-threadomancy?
'Next time I let Superman take charge, just hit me. Real hard.'
'You're a princess from a society of immortal warriors. I'm a rich kid with issues. Lots of issues.'
'No. No dating for the Batman. It might cut into your brooding time.'
'Tactically we have multiple objectives. So we need to split into teams.'-'Dibs on the Amazon!'
'Hey, we both have a Martian's phone number on our speed dial. I think I deserve the benefit of the doubt.'
'You know, for a guy with like 50 different kinds of vision, you sure are blind.'
Yes you are, but you went ahead anyway, yeah?
I don't think this thread is old enough for it to qualify as thread necromancy.
25 days? What IS the official boundary these days?
'Next time I let Superman take charge, just hit me. Real hard.'
'You're a princess from a society of immortal warriors. I'm a rich kid with issues. Lots of issues.'
'No. No dating for the Batman. It might cut into your brooding time.'
'Tactically we have multiple objectives. So we need to split into teams.'-'Dibs on the Amazon!'
'Hey, we both have a Martian's phone number on our speed dial. I think I deserve the benefit of the doubt.'
'You know, for a guy with like 50 different kinds of vision, you sure are blind.'
It was still on the first page, excuse me for not checking the date of every post.
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I was under the premise that the Redshirts were in Excelsior to begin with and that they were to beam down, and then infiltrate. Never mind.
