Protoss Carrier vs. Enterprise-E

[Captain tycho]

Who wins?
My choice is the Carrier, by far.

[Jason von Evil]

The carrier could swarm the E-E with interceptors and I'm pretty sure the non-game carrier would have some sort of weapons systems.

[SAMAS]

Well, in the novel Liverty's Crusade, it was the Carriers that performed the BDZ operation.

[Jason von Evil]

We all know that SAMMY.

[Ender]

Dragon's Teeth showed they are pretty good at hitting fighter type targets with phasers, and interceptors are pretty damn big. Then add on a nice range advantage, and I give this to the E-E.

[Alyeska]

Protos Carrier interceptors would be slaughtered by the E-E's phaser arrays. Once the fighters are gone, the carrier is toast.

[FaxModem1]

If its Non game Carrier, then say goodbye to the E-E.

If its in-game, the E-E wins, but with damage.

[Alyeska]

If its in-game, the E-E wins, but with damage.

I highly doub that seeing as assault rifles can shoot down the interceptors.

[Kuja]

They'll be saying 'En Taro Adun!' in Starflett HQ soon...

[Sea Skimmer]

Two second shot from the BDZ ray and the E-E is plasma

[Illuminatus Primus]

If its in-game, the E-E wins, but with damage.

I highly doub that seeing as assault rifles can shoot down the interceptors.

You know in-game calcs and comparisons are shit. If 8 mm chemically fired projectiles could track and shoot down the Interceptors I think I doubt they'd be capable of any sort of deep-space combat acceleration that'd make them any good to begin with.

[Alyeska]

If its in-game, the E-E wins, but with damage.

I highly doub that seeing as assault rifles can shoot down the interceptors.

You know in-game calcs and comparisons are shit. If 8 mm chemically fired projectiles could track and shoot down the Interceptors I think I doubt they'd be capable of any sort of deep-space combat acceleration that'd make them any good to begin with.

So ingame information is to be completely ignored?

[Sea Skimmer]

I highly doub that seeing as assault rifles can shoot down the interceptors.

You know in-game calcs and comparisons are shit. If 8 mm chemically fired projectiles could track and shoot down the Interceptors I think I doubt they'd be capable of any sort of deep-space combat acceleration that'd make them any good to begin with.

So ingame information is to be completely ignored?

Normally it is. There are far to many problems with the physics for it to be remotely pointful. After all it would also mean Starcraft forces never miss there targets, if you enter there range you will be shot at an hit regardless, they have infinite ammunition, they use squares of force field generators to prevent there enemies force escaping until the battle is over…


Other then a bunch fo Protoss carriers have multi gigaton level firepower we know nothing, most ignore the manual as well since the cut sceans don't follow it very well either.

[Jim Raynor]

I think cutscenes should be the highest canon, since it's the only visuals we can get from the SC universe. Below the visuals, we should also consider the manual, the official Blizzard site, and SC novels as other sources.

[Alyeska]

I think cutscenes should be the highest canon, since it's the only visuals we can get from the SC universe. Below the visuals, we should also consider the manual, the official Blizzard site, and SC novels as other sources.

In that case it wasn't carriers that burned the planets.

[Jim Raynor]

I think cutscenes should be the highest canon, since it's the only visuals we can get from the SC universe. Below the visuals, we should also consider the manual, the official Blizzard site, and SC novels as other sources.

In that case it wasn't carriers that burned the planets.

How so?

[Alyeska]

I think cutscenes should be the highest canon, since it's the only visuals we can get from the SC universe. Below the visuals, we should also consider the manual, the official Blizzard site, and SC novels as other sources.

In that case it wasn't carriers that burned the planets.

How so?

Watch the SC intro again, that ain't no carrier.

[Moonstone Spider]

That intro ship also didn't appear to destroy any planets that I could see. The BDZ took place long after the intro, assuming the Cutscenes actually take place in chronological order relative to the missions. The BDZ actually occured after Raynor escaped Chau Sara. Heck, we don't even known if that ship in the intro was Protoss, it never speaks, signals, and isn't gold like Protoss ships tend to be.

[Jason von Evil]

Protoss don't destroy planets, they burn the surface.

[Sea Skimmer]

In that case it wasn't carriers that burned the planets.

How so?

Watch the SC intro again, that ain't no carrier.

That assume it was actually firing at the planet and not just blown up a ship that might have been infested. Novels indicate carriers though; I do admit though that there is room for interpretation.



"Pull back to a safe distance. Scan on Maximum." said Mengsk. "Gentlemen, you may remain if you want to see the last act of this particularly tawdry passion play."

Neither Mike nor Raynor moved, and Mengsk turned back to the screen. The huge orange ball of Mar Sara loomed over them, a few white clouds scattered high across it's northern hemisphere. Yet most of the orange surface was now mottled, spoiled. Overrun by the creep, and the things that lived in it.

The very surface of the land seemed to pulsate and bubble, heaving like a living being. The creep had even spread over the oceans in broad mats, writhing like living carpets of algae.

There was nothing human left on the planet. Not alive, at any rate. A flash blossomed to one side of the planetary disk, and Mike knew that the Protoss had arrived. Their Lightning ships warped into being. A flash of blue-white electricity, and then they were there. The golden carriers with their moth attendants, and metallic bat-winged creations that wove among the larger ships. They were breathtaking and deadly, forces of war raised to the level of an art form.

Mengsk spoke softly into his throat mike, and Mike could feel the engines engage. The terrorist leader was prepared to get out at the first sight that the Protoss had nocited them.

He need not have worried. The Protoss were completely intent on the diseased planet beneath them. Hatchways opened up in the bottoms of the larger ships, and great beams of energy, so intense as to be colorless, lanced downward toward the surface. The aliens laid down a withering barrage against the planet beneath. Where the energy beams struck, they burned. The sky itself curdled as the beams pirced through the atmospheric envlope. Air itself was torn away from the planet by the force of the blows. And where the Beams struck the surface, they erupted, boiling the ground where they struck, uprooting both the creep-infested lands and those that had not yet been infecte. Deadly rainbow radiation, more brilliant that Mike had ever seen, spiraled out from the impact points, churning earth and water mercilessly, distorting the matter of the planet itself.

Then other ships began firing thinner beams with surgical accuracy, adding to the barrage in places. The cities, Mike realized, They were targeting the cities and making sure that nothing could survive there. Any place of human settlement, including, he knew, the Jacobs Installation itself.

They had cut their timing very close indeed, he thought, and his stomach gave an uneasy lurch.

One of the pulsating beams punched through the crust itself, and the ground erupted in a volcanic upwelling. Magma pushed to the surface, consuming everything that had been uprooted by the energy beams. Most of the world's atmosphere was burning now, torn away from the orb in a veil that trailed it in orbit, and what was left spiraled in hurricanes and tornadoes, until destroyed by more beams. Now, red volcanic glows covered the northern hemisphere of Mar Sara like welts. The remainder of the land heaved in a deadly rainbow. Nothing could survive the assault, human or otherwise.

[Shinova]

That intro ship also didn't appear to destroy any planets that I could see. The BDZ took place long after the intro, assuming the Cutscenes actually take place in chronological order relative to the missions. The BDZ actually occured after Raynor escaped Chau Sara. Heck, we don't even known if that ship in the intro was Protoss, it never speaks, signals, and isn't gold like Protoss ships tend to be.

In the Terran ending for the original SC game, there's a shot of a Protoss carrier flying past. It was not in direct sunlight and as a result it looked jet black.

[Ender]

Yes, they have heavy weaponry allowing a fleet to conduct a BDZ style operation.

Now I want proof that that weapon can be used in actual combat and is not just strategic.

[Kuja]

Protoss don't destroy planets, they burn the surface.

That's what a BDZ operation is: turning the surface of a planet to slag.

[Sea Skimmer]

Yes, they have heavy weaponry allowing a fleet to conduct a BDZ style operation.

Now I want proof that that weapon can be used in actual combat and is not just strategic.

Point and shoot. The E-E has repeatedly closed to under 1000 meters to engage, missing would be something you'd have to work at.

[HemlockGrey]

That's assuming the interceptor's don't simply overwhelm it.