Sakura Kinomoto vs. The Axis

[Sea Skimmer]

Still using the old Mark I Eyeball.

We talking about the same WW2, the one which saw massive use of radar bombing.

Which of course is sensitive enough to pick out individuals.

And thus we have why aircraft carpet bomb. Roads show up nicely on WW2 radar's

[Yogi]

You're forgetting Illusion, Mirror, Shield, and most importantly Dream. While Dream is not going to help in the middle of a fight, it WILL help the night before, as it predicts what will happen (and enables her to mount a good defense against it.) If it reveals that they are going to bomb their own base at the first sign of black rose petals, then she won't use them.

Besides, they can't call anyone if they're dead asleep, can they?

[MKSheppard]

Besides, they can't call anyone if they're dead asleep, can they?

You're forgetting that the German Army was COMPETENT....that means,

"Hey, Panzer Battalion 503 isn't reporting in!"

And the shit begins raining down....

[Yogi]

First, as said previously, the only way for Sakura to win is if she attacks key command centers, not the individual soldiers themselves. How will she know where to attack? Combination of Dream, her ability to conduct divinations with the cards, and her ability to look into the past to see what's been going on. So, they'll have to be bombing their own command centers. This is assuming that Sakura doesn't show them an illusion of a command center that is off center, or uses the Loop card to hide inside a fold in space.

Besides, if the German soldiers are as competent as you say, wouldn't they notice after a while that their own soldiers are being bombed (stuff like that is hard to cover up, especially after it's been going on for a while)

[SAMAS]

Besides, they can't call anyone if they're dead asleep, can they?

You're forgetting that the German Army was COMPETENT....that means,

"Hey, Panzer Battalion 503 isn't reporting in!"

And the shit begins raining down....

And Panzer Batallion 503 dies.

Five days later, Infantry Batallion 307 goes up.

A week after that, an Airbase is bombed into oblivion

Two days later, an entire town is destroyed.

... all by German forces.

Meanwhile, Allied and Soviet spies are reporting that the Germans are hitting their own forces, and executing the bomber crews. They spread the word among the German populace. Morale goes into the shithole. German troops on the front are more worried about their own forces than the allies, and false reports and hoaxes, set by spies or resistance, or even spooked Nazi soldiers, start coming in, and more and more places are being destroyed.

Elsewhere, Kero-chan is laughing his plush ass off because the Germans are doing a better job of defeating thermselves than Sakura or the Allies.

Has the stupidity of blowing up your own shit at the slightest sign of oddity sunk in yet?

[Ghost Rider]

Okay...so the pro-Sakura side uses anime as "Well she'll just do this!"

The Pro-German side is suing a situation deemed semi real during the WW2 time.

Yeah...okay...as I asked and Iggy answered is she invulnerable to bullets?...no

Since the answer is just that...the Gestapo gets wind of her and as she is raining hell on some town...two snipers pulg her before she knows what hit her.

[SAMAS]

And you're going to get wind of her how? All possible witnesses have been killed.

[Ghost Rider]

Ah I see...so you now make the leap of logic that her powers will destroy every possible witness regardless of margin of error.

Oh yeah I see why this stuff goes on for 14-15 pages.

[SAMAS]

I'm not saying her powers will.

I said the German bombs will. Or are you giving up on the carpet-bombing of the general area?

As I said before, Sakura has always taken pains to not be seen when she uses her powers, if for no other reason than she's embarassed to be seen in Tomoyo's outfits. She went after cards in the middle of the night whenever possible, and if not, she'd use SLEEP to put everyone in the entire area to sleep.

At maximum power, the magic of the Clow once put her entire hometown to sleep.

So unless there happen to be some magicians in the area, nobody's going to be awake to see her.

[Ghost Rider]

You're basically saying that not a single member of any intelligence team will not spot a girl who has no real knowledge of subterfuge nor assassination and she'll defy with ease.

Please provide something of value above...she's embarassed cuts is as much as saying because Maul wears black he'll hide better at night time.

[SAMAS]

You're basically saying that not a single member of any intelligence team will not spot a girl who has no real knowledge of subterfuge nor assassination and she'll defy with ease.

Not unless they sleep with their eyes open.

[Ghost Rider]

Once again...assumptions that'll she'll never be spotted because you say so.

Yeah oh yeah I see why the nay sayers have such trouble

[SAMAS]

Okay then, you tell me.

A teenager and a pair of 10-year-old girls are walking down the street.

Exactly who is going to be raising alarm bells at this?

[Yogi]

Sakura was NEVER discovered as the user of the Clow/Sakura Cards except by other beings that could sense her magic. Unless some German can (literally) magically sense her, getting her powers off without being seen is something she has become quite good at.

Being able to predict the future also comes in handy.

It all comes down to this. Is Sakura attacks the Germans, there's really nothing they can do to defend themselves. Ditto the other way around, assuming the Germans attack in force. So is it easier for the Germans to find a single girl somewhere in the countryside of France (assuming she gets magically spotted) or for a girl to find German troops somewhere in France (remember, this Girl can predict the future and look into the past)

Plus she has many cards to ensure she does not get caught. Listed here for you convinience

The Dark: Creates inky pitch blackness in a large area
The Illusion: Makes intangable illusions
The Little: Makes her very small
The Mirror: Creates a mirror figure of Sakura. The mirror cannot use Sakura's powers, but is tangable, and can indipendantly think.
The Mist: Creates corrosive mist, can be used offensively as well
The Shadow: Manipulates shadows. These shadows can affect real world objects.
The Silent: Causes things to be silent
The Sleep: Sleeps a bunch of people.

[Ghost Rider]

And still I present she will never(not improbable...but never) and obviously the Germans are just going to sit on their duffs as she ravages France(who knows they might)...

Still have yet to go into any great detail how'll she'll curtail the war or redeem the Japanese or any of those notions.

So please elucidate how any one single being is going to turn the tide of a war in which they have all but won(and yes I read the whole Germans will be attacking themselves...which in of itself is a leap of logic to believe they'll KEEP doing it after a certain point of time)?

[Ghost Rider]

As for alarm bells...the army believes you're not supposed to be here and it's under martial law...they kill you...no questions asked...SAMAS

[Yogi]

So, you're the German Commander. Important bases, communication centers, production centers have been, quite literally, dissapearing off the map. What would YOU do about it?

[SAMAS]

As for alarm bells...the army believes you're not supposed to be here and it's under martial law...they kill you...no questions asked...SAMAS

And what makes you think they're just going to walk into a restricted area like a bunch of idiots?

[Ghost Rider]

Who says restricted area such as a compound...?

During wartime unless she has intimate knowledge of every area, walking through town could be restricted. If she's commiting these deeds, any army worth it's salt is going to initiate a lock down of such levels that an act such walking through the area is deem kill on sight.

So her and gang walking through town...some group SS decides they don't like her look, and bang they shot her because she's in an area they deem restricted because of her actions.

[SAMAS]

Who says restricted area such as a compound...?

I man, a restricted area like any place with armed soldiers standing about.

During wartime unless she has intimate knowledge of every area, walking through town could be restricted. If she's commiting these deeds, any army worth it's salt is going to initiate a lock down of such levels that an act such walking through the area is deem kill on sight.

But that brings up the portion of how they're going to know she did it.

There's the matter of:

A -- Seeing her doing it. Not likely, as her normal MO is to be sure not to be seen.

B -- Believing what you saw. Getting lucky enough to see a little girl in odd clothing, right before you fall asleep is going to make anyone doubt if they really saw it, or if their mind is playing tricks on them.

C -- Getting your superiors to believe it. If a soldier reports that right before he fell asleep, he saw a little girl in a pink dress with cat ears and a bell around her neck(her cutest costume, BTW) spinning a wand around, how many sergants/officers are not going to blow it off as drunkeness, fatigue, or any number of "rational" explanations?

[Ghost Rider]

This during a war...there is physical evidence that someone is trying to hinder your advances in a controlled territory.

In reality they call for lock downs and insure that everyone is checked constantly.

In anime none of this happens and people ignore flying men because it makes the flow of the story better.

So far all you have shown is in an animeish situation Sakura and gang would route the German army...in a reality based she would succeed a couple clandestine attacks and get shot unless she has perfect intelligence gathering of where every officer and solider is at the time.

[SAMAS]

You don't need perfect intelligence gathering when you can put everyone, fom soldier to civillian, to sleep until you wake them up.

This is the part you seem to not understand. You can not spot someone, identify, someone, or shoot at someone if you are asleep!

And it's hard as fuck to find a single person when massive spears of rock are shoving their way to dizzying heights through your airfields, or should half the buildings in your base spontaneously catch fire.

And if the general area should be snowed over(in July), flooded(on a clear day), or plunged into total darkness(at High Noon), looking for a kid out of place will be the last thing on your mind.

[SAMAS]

Oh, and checking and detaining a certain pair of kids becomes a lot more complicated with the two magical beings laying a celestrial smackdown upon you.

[SWPIGWANG]

area effect is evil......

How much damage can the cards block?

[Yogi]

This assumes that the Germans are going to think that something as mundane as a human child is going to be causing all of this. To them the MUCH more likely explination would be (as I mensioned earlier) either The Wrath of God, Satan Himself, The Angel of Death, or The Second Coming.