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Base Delta Zero wrote:The corvette would do horrible, horrible things to the fleet...
Of that there is little to no doubt.
Base Delta Zero wrote: ...but I don't think it can do much once it gets to Earth. Maybe they could take Starfleet Command hostage or something, but it doesn't have the siege cannons of an ISD, so I don't think a BDZ would be possible, or it would take years at least.
A complete BDZ wouldn't be necessary. Like you suggest, they could simply threaten to glass San Francisco or any other major place of importance. The Feddies, being the spineless pansies they are, would surrender quickly to the CC. But then again, at this point we're far outside the Wolf 359 system.

The only way I can see any ship POSSIBLY surviving the CC is if the defending ships of the fleet (or what was left of it anyway) were to all go to warp, each ship with a different course and heading. The CC certainly has the speed and range to catch any of them, but hunting them all down would take an extra little bit of time. Time enough for maybe one or two ships to get a big enough head start and find a good hiding place, that is.

However, if the same mysterious entity that force subbed the Corellian Corvette into this scenario erected a magical chainlink forcefield to keep the Feds from escaping, then Starfleet is Toast.
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That extra bit of time might no be so little, at that. We know Trek ships can stay at Warp for days if not longer at a time, and as long as they're at Warp, the CC can't do shit about them. They're too fast to be shot from STL and too slow to be shot from FTL (unless hyperdrive can go arbitrarily slow), so they'd have to wait until the ships are STL again.
Assuming that
a) the Feds realize they can do jack shit in time for any of them to survive (they sure as hell didn't at the original Wolf 359), and
b) for some arcane reason the CC actully bothers to hunt them down, of course.
The point is not to destroy the Wolf 359 fleet, simply to get by it. If they run-hey, cool. The CC can now do whatever it came out of hyperdrive for in the first place with impunity.
Well okay, the actual point was to see how a CC would do at Wolf 359 but I think there's little left to discuss there.
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Batman wrote:as long as they're at Warp, the CC can't do shit about them.
Since the CC has FTL sensors, could it not jump in front of the fed ship and have the targeting computers calculate the horrendous lead required to hit it?
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And watch as the FTL sensors of the Federation ships allow them to evade...

Both sides can play with this game, and a covette cannot put out the volume of fire needed to hope to bracket the target ( :lol: just thinking about trying to bracket something starting with a thousand or so c relative velocity and accelerating from there cracks me up).
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How long do you think they'd have to evade? They tend to travel at reasonably straight lines at warp AFAIK so leading them wouldn't be to hard for a SW targeting computer, however once you fire it's going to be seconds before they run into it.

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Oh and just to clarify, I'm talking about jumping in front of them and moving to about 2 light seconds from their path.
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They don't need to move that much to avoiding a crash with the corvette and they will just keep on going at warp. If that is what you are thinking.
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PayBack wrote:Oh and just to clarify, I'm talking about jumping in front of them and moving to about 2 light seconds from their path.
Given the distance the ISD is likely to overshoot the Fed ship that'll take them some time. Easily enough time for the Fed ship to evade.
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Evade what? The ship? The ship isn't in their path.. it just throws some TL shots in front of them as they pass.
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To evade the whole setup. The CC pops back into realspace right in front of the running UFP ship. Is the Fed captain going to assume they just stopped for a coffee break? I don't think so.
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One quick note... people keep on talking about how Voyager somehow got behind the Borg sphere and blew it apart, but I'm almost positive that she actually got sucked inside the sphere, maybe into a docking bay. From there they were inside the shield and able to attack the sphere with impunity.
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Batman wrote:To evade the whole setup. The CC pops back into realspace right in front of the running UFP ship. Is the Fed captain going to assume they just stopped for a coffee break? I don't think so.
Doesn't it take 4 seconds to go into warp so if the CC pop anywhere within 3 light seconds of the feddies they are toast. 8)
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ecintron wrote:
Batman wrote:To evade the whole setup. The CC pops back into realspace right in front of the running UFP ship. Is the Fed captain going to assume they just stopped for a coffee break? I don't think so.
Doesn't it take 4 seconds to go into warp so if the CC pop anywhere within 3 light seconds of the feddies they are toast. 8)
Um-the Feds already are at Warp. The CC needs to notice it's passed the Trek ship, revert to realspace, and move into position. Given the speed advantage of the CC, no way. They'll overshoot way too far. There's a reason Wars ships have trouble with microjumps.
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Batman wrote:
ecintron wrote:
Batman wrote:To evade the whole setup. The CC pops back into realspace right in front of the running UFP ship. Is the Fed captain going to assume they just stopped for a coffee break? I don't think so.
Doesn't it take 4 seconds to go into warp so if the CC pop anywhere within 3 light seconds of the feddies they are toast. 8)
Um-the Feds already are at Warp. The CC needs to notice it's passed the Trek ship, revert to realspace, and move into position. Given the speed advantage of the CC, no way. They'll overshoot way too far. There's a reason Wars ships have trouble with microjumps.
Hummm wasn't the federation out of warp when they ambush the borg cube at wolf..

The whole battle was base on the fact that the federation was attempt to engage the Borg to prevent them from proceed to earth!!!

By staying at warp the fed basically allow the CC to proceed to earth and it count as a win for the CC.

Also Hyperjump navigation allow a ship to jump within a planetary distant of a target.. The major problem is organize whole fleet to micro jump and land close enought together to form a effect battle unit, that why Thrawn use the tactic of using ship with gravity well generator to pull whole fleet out of hyperspace..

Either way their going be no dodging if the Fed care to stop the CC from it objective which is jumping straight to earth ...
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Thanks for not reading the thread. Wolf 359 is already over, this is about the CC hunting down escaping Fed ships, which WILL already be at Warp.
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Batman wrote:Thanks for not reading the thread. Wolf 359 is already over, this is about the CC hunting down escaping Fed ships, which WILL already be at Warp.
sorry just skim thru most of the thread. Why bother hunting them down, just wait till they have to stop due to the many stupid reason Fed warp driven craft are force to drop out of warp.. Like nebulas.. once they stop just blow them out of space.
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Why bother hunting them down, period?
As to waiting for them dropping from Warp that may take a couple of days...
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Batman wrote:Why bother hunting them down, period?
As to waiting for them dropping from Warp that may take a couple of days...
So it not like they going to get very far at warps, compare to a hyperspace drive.. Basically it like watching a snail crossing the road before you step on them...
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ecintron wrote:Basically it like watching a snail crossing the road before you step on them...
Correction: basically like watching a snail crossing the road before you sprint over and step on it ;) . Given the speed of SW ships a few days at Warp 9.9 or whatever won't last long :) .
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Post by Batman »

*Sigh*
Why don't you read this page from the top and see how the tangent got started.
'Next time I let Superman take charge, just hit me. Real hard.'
'You're a princess from a society of immortal warriors. I'm a rich kid with issues. Lots of issues.'
'No. No dating for the Batman. It might cut into your brooding time.'
'Tactically we have multiple objectives. So we need to split into teams.'-'Dibs on the Amazon!'
'Hey, we both have a Martian's phone number on our speed dial. I think I deserve the benefit of the doubt.'
'You know, for a guy with like 50 different kinds of vision, you sure are blind.'
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