Russian Stealth: MiG 37 Ferret and Sukhoi S-37 Berkut

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2002-12-10 11:46am

MiG 37 Ferret (purely hypothetical but sweet nonetheless!)

Taken from http://www.military.cz/russia/air/mig/Mig_37/mig_37.htm

Sukhoi S-37 Berkut

Taken from http://www.military.cz/russia/air/suchoj/s_32/s_32.htm

Note: Russian Translator needed. Otherwise, SWEET Fighters!

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-12-10 08:19pm

I used to have that MiG-37 model.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2002-12-10 10:12pm

Since when is the Golden Eagle stealth (Berkut for those who insist on using the non-translated name)? Unless they've actually got that active stealth plasma system working, the FSW design should ruin any chance it has of being stealthy.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-12-10 10:14pm

Interesting design.

Zaku-chan · Post by **Zaku-chan** » 2002-12-10 11:21pm

It's pretty flat; probably presents a very small target profile.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2002-12-11 02:25am

Howedar wrote:I used to have that MiG-37 model.

IIRC, they came up with the concept for the MiG-37 in response to the Lockheed YF-22. They just don't have the resources to actually build it.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2002-12-11 04:36am

Crayz9000 wrote:
Howedar wrote:I used to have that MiG-37 model.
IIRC, they came up with the concept for the MiG-37 in response to the Lockheed YF-22. They just don't have the resources to actually build it.

Is that what used to be the MiG 1.3 project? If so, it was designed as a counter to the YF-22 (even had the nickname "Raptor Killer"). Supposedly slightly faster and more maneuverable, but without quite as much stealth.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2002-12-11 04:41am

The Dark wrote:Since when is the Golden Eagle stealth (Berkut for those who insist on using the non-translated name)? Unless they've actually got that active stealth plasma system working, the FSW design should ruin any chance it has of being stealthy.

Just what I was thinking... it looks like a Su-27 and an X29's love child (in other words a SWEET Fighter!), not anything particularly stealthy at all. I still wanna drive one.[/img]

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-12-11 05:21pm

Interesting aerodynamics, I read somewhere, maybe in Jane's a few ears ago backward wings flew better.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2002-12-11 05:29pm

Captain Lennox wrote:Interesting aerodynamics, I read somewhere, maybe in Jane's a few ears ago backward wings flew better.

Delta wings are good for speed, because of their aerodynamic profile. Forward-swept wings give excellent maneuverability, but sacrifice top speed. Most fighters, like the F-15, are kind of a tradeoff between maneuverability and speed.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2002-12-11 10:31pm

Crayz9000 wrote:
Captain Lennox wrote:Interesting aerodynamics, I read somewhere, maybe in Jane's a few ears ago backward wings flew better.
Delta wings are good for speed, because of their aerodynamic profile. Forward-swept wings give excellent maneuverability, but sacrifice top speed. Most fighters, like the F-15, are kind of a tradeoff between maneuverability and speed.

IIRC, FSW designs are more efficient up to right around Mach 1, and then normal wings and delta designs become superior. the FSW gives very high maneuverability, but it requires expensive composites to prevent the wing from warping backwards and tearing off.