Hello again

[Captain Newland]

Yes, yes...you're here for your own reason...blah, blah, blah.

The point is you have not exactly made a particular highlighted name and giving something as vague as "Trek Tactics" is akin to going "I'm here to discuss Stormtrooper sanitation."

Poe is shooting one across your bow because it was a retarded sentiment borne from the mind of a witless fucktard, thus he's mocking you. If that gets under your skin, the newbies here will have endless time fucking with you and not giving a whit of respect towards your limited time.

The opinion is subjective. I do not think of G2K as a "mindless fucktard," so don't go trying to tell me I had it coming. And yes, it does irk me somewhat that he thinks he has the right to tell me why I'm here. Not that I didn't expect it, but still.

[Aaron]

Did I claim I planned to discuss anything? When I said my position has changed on that issue, I meant that it had reverted to either a "Feds have shuttles and orbiting ships argument" or that they have something to counter the Cardie mech infantry which, while logical, has no evidence behind it. Oh, and you forgot about the Klingon assault vehicle mentioned in Voyager.

Since when did those brain dead fools use vehicles? I'll plead ignorance as I never watched past the first season of Voyager, couldn't stand the technobabble.

[Ghost Rider]

Oh look the bitch wants to go "G2K is not a mindless fucktard..."

So why is that his site is filled with a skewed canon statement that was demolished by Sansweet? Why is it that his analysis wouldn't cut the mustard in 101 physics? And finally his piss poor accusations of one member is nothing more then the drivel of two year old?

Right, not the mind of a fucktard.

And you had it coming because of your prior reputation. These things have a tendancy to skew a person's perspective. As long as he doesn't hound you, Poe can easily claim you're an idiot, providing he shows examples. Unless you show otherwise, you're shit out of luck.

[Knife]

No, I was thinking more of the issue of ground vehicles.

So, you're saying that you're no longer a proponent of the ideal of large swarms of Federation battle tanks to counter the Klingon assualt vehicle or Cardie IFV?

[Surlethe]

Well, Captain Newland, we'll see how you hold up here. So long as you debate honestly and concede (explicitly or tacitly) when you lose, I have no issues with you.

[Darth Wong]

I do not think of G2K as a "mindless fucktard,"

So you admit that he's actually deliberately lying then, instead of being so goddamned stupid that he can't understand it when the entire staff of Lucasfilm tells him he's full of shit?

There are really only two choices when talking about Scooter:

1. He is so stupid that he doesn't understand it's wrong to accuse people of being violent based on a hasty generalization of their group, as he did with the arrest of one of our members. He is also so stupid that he doesn't understand Lucasfilm employees telling him to his face that he's interpreting the Star Wars canon rules all wrong.
2. He understands both of the above, as well as many other bullshit tactics he's pulled, but he's simply a lying sack of shit without an ounce of integrity in him. He knows he's misrepresenting both facts and people, and he just doesn't care.

Those are your only real choices. So which is it, Newland?

[brianeyci]

We actually see the Federation Dune Buggy and we haven't seen this hypothetical Klingon Assault Vehicle or Cardassian Infantry Fighting Vehicle. So you can't prove anything either way by mentioning KAV of CIFV. The Klingons win a lot against the Federation sure but this might have nothing to do with their AV's.

You can't mention unknowns to try and prove an argument Newland, that's the problem with the G2K Deathstar argument, some kind of unknown undefined mechanism. We never see the KAV or CIFV so any argument constructed with them as variables is fallacious (hint that means we don't know whether the Klingons could kill the Dune Buggy with their AV, oh well we don't know big deal).

Brian

[Captain Newland]

Oh look the bitch wants to go "G2K is not a mindless fucktard..."

So why is that his site is filled with a skewed canon statement that was demolished by Sansweet? Why is it that his analysis wouldn't cut the mustard in 101 physics? And finally his piss poor accusations of one member is nothing more then the drivel of two year old?

Right, not the mind of a fucktard.

I can't do anything to change your mind, and I'm not stupid enough to try.

And you had it coming because of your prior reputation.

Prior reputation!? For what? Taking a different opinion that you? For speaking that opinion? Geez, what are you, a Fascist?

These things have a tendancy to skew a person's perspective. As long as he doesn't hound you, Poe can easily claim you're an idiot, providing he shows examples. Unless you show otherwise, you're shit out of luck.

But he didn't show examples, did he? And haven't I already said I was a hyped up little squirt back then? And haven't I admitted I don't know the first thing about science? Just because I'm a total moron when it comes to science, it doesn't mean I'm idiot. People have their different specializations, and mine happens to be writing, not science.

[Captain Newland]

We actually see the Federation Dune Buggy and we haven't seen this hypothetical Klingon Assault Vehicle or Cardassian Infantry Fighting Vehicle. So you can't prove anything either way by mentioning KAV of CIFV. The Klingons win a lot against the Federation sure but this might have nothing to do with their AV's.

You can't mention unknowns to try and prove an argument Newland, that's the problem with the G2K Deathstar argument, some kind of unknown undefined mechanism. We never see the KAV or CIFV so any argument constructed with them as variables is fallacious (hint that means we don't know whether the Klingons could kill the Dune Buggy with their AV, oh well we don't know big deal).

Brian

Haven't I just said that I concede that we haven't seen anything? Is reading my posts too much too ask?

[Darth Wong]

I don't particular care to debate Captain Newland's past here. I'm usually willing to give people a second chance, until they give me some reason to think it's being wasted. But if he's going to say that RSA is anything other than either a moron or a liar, he'll have to back that up. We're talking about someone who went direct to the starwars.com VIPs themselves, was told to his face that his interpretation was wrong, and still continues to insist that it's right. And he did the same damned thing with the Star Trek people!

[Captain Newland]

I do not think of G2K as a "mindless fucktard,"

So you admit that he's actually deliberately lying then, instead of being so goddamned stupid that he can't understand it when the entire staff of Lucasfilm tells him he's full of shit?

There are really only two choices when talking about Scooter:

1. He is so stupid that he doesn't understand it's wrong to accuse people of being violent based on a hasty generalization of their group, as he did with the arrest of one of our members. He is also so stupid that he doesn't understand Lucasfilm employees telling him to his face that he's interpreting the Star Wars canon rules all wrong.
2. He understands both of the above, as well as many other bullshit tactics he's pulled, but he's simply a lying sack of shit without an ounce of integrity in him. He knows he's misrepresenting both facts and people, and he just doesn't care.

Those are your only real choices. So which is it, Newland?

No, they're the only two choices in your opinion, and as I said, I'm no where near stupid enough to try to change your opinion. We're just going to have to agree to differ.

[Darth Wong]

No, they're the only two choices in your opinion, and as I said, I'm no where near stupid enough to try to change your opinion. We're just going to have to agree to differ.

Bullshit. If you think there's a third option, you'd better either show us or admit you've got nothing. Unlike the kiddie board, we have rules about making claims that you can't back up. Saying "you've got your opinion and I've got mine" is unacceptable here.

[Captain Newland]

No, they're the only two choices in your opinion, and as I said, I'm no where near stupid enough to try to change your opinion. We're just going to have to agree to differ.

Bullshit. If you think there's a third option, you'd better either show us or admit you've got nothing. Unlike the kiddie board, we have rules about making claims that you can't back up. Saying "you've got your opinion and I've got mine" is unacceptable here.

I won't be forced into a long and pointless argument by you Wong. You guys were the ones who were yelling at me for evidence before I'd even claimed anything, forcing me to respond with my opinion. You're making too many assumptions about why I'm here, and I've explained over and over that I don't want to debate very much, but just chat. What I've gotten in reply are shouts about how stupid I am for siding with DarkStar, and how I am supposed to be giving evidence to support arguments I haven't made yet, and indeed, ones that I never intended to make! No, Wong. I'm not going to play. Now, if that's a bannable offense, then fine. I'll probably set the record for who's lasted the shortest amount of time, but I'm not going to defend arguments that I have not made nor intend to make.

[Dalton]

Geez, chill out, guys. There's no reason as of yet to jump up this guy's ass.

[Cao Cao]

I'd just point out that defending someone who's widely acknowledged as being a world class fool such as G2K then you're bound to get hostility.

[Dalton]

I'd just point out that defending someone who's widely acknowledged as being a world class fool such as G2K then you're bound to get hostility.

I'm sure he has his reasons but hounding him like a goddamn bunch of howler monkeys ain't gonna make him more amenable towards posting his point of view.

[Noble Ire]

No, they're the only two choices in your opinion, and as I said, I'm no where near stupid enough to try to change your opinion. We're just going to have to agree to differ.

Bullshit. If you think there's a third option, you'd better either show us or admit you've got nothing. Unlike the kiddie board, we have rules about making claims that you can't back up. Saying "you've got your opinion and I've got mine" is unacceptable here.

I won't be forced into a long and pointless argument by you Wong. You guys were the ones who were yelling at me for evidence before I'd even claimed anything, forcing me to respond with my opinion. You're making too many assumptions about why I'm here, and I've explained over and over that I don't want to debate very much, but just chat. What I've gotten in reply are shouts about how stupid I am for siding with DarkStar, and how I am supposed to be giving evidence to support arguments I haven't made yet, and indeed, ones that I never intended to make! No, Wong. I'm not going to play. Now, if that's a bannable offense, then fine. I'll probably set the record for who's lasted the shortest amount of time, but I'm not going to defend arguments that I have not made nor intend to make.

If I may ask, then, why exactly are you here? Certainly, if you had returned simply to make amends for past behavior and post only on subjects not SWvST related, which would IMO not be a problem, noting your return and hovering over old topics might not have been the best way to start out. And if you did return to, at least in part, debate SWvST, you must know that eventually the views you hold that differ from ours will be challenged, the Canon policy one chief among them. What is your intent?

[SirNitram]

If you're not here to debate, why are you in one of the debate fora? There's Off-Topic if you just want to babble.

If you seriously want to claim RSA is anything but a liar or a looney, you might want to show how there's any other option in line with reality. This is a man who publically insulted Paramount and Lucasfilm employees when they didn't agree with his idea of what Canon should be, as I cited earlier in this thread. But I suppose you didn't bother to look.

[Darth Wong]

I won't be forced into a long and pointless argument by you Wong.

But you had no problem claiming that we're dead wrong about Darkstar? If you didn't want to get into this argument, you shouldn't have said we were wrong about him.

You guys were the ones who were yelling at me for evidence before I'd even claimed anything, forcing me to respond with my opinion. You're making too many assumptions about why I'm here, and I've explained over and over that I don't want to debate very much, but just chat. What I've gotten in reply are shouts about how stupid I am for siding with DarkStar, and how I am supposed to be giving evidence to support arguments I haven't made yet, and indeed, ones that I never intended to make! No, Wong. I'm not going to play.

Then what's this bullshit about how it's nothing but "opinion" that he was told by both Star Trek and Star Wars VIPs that he's flat wrong? If you don't want to get in trouble for making unsupported claims, here's a hint: don't make them.

Now, if that's a bannable offense, then fine. I'll probably set the record for who's lasted the shortest amount of time, but I'm not going to defend arguments that I have not made nor intend to make.

You did claim that my earlier statements were mere "opinion" rather than fact. If you can't back that shit up, don't say it. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, only to be told that my statements of fact were mere "opinion" by you. If you're going to give me that bullshit attitude, BACK IT UP.

Let me explain something to you, since you are STILL a little kid even if you're older than you were last time: if you didn't want to get into an argument about Darkstar, you should have said "I'm not here to defend Darkstar". You should NOT have said that what we say about him is mere opinion rather than fact, because now you're accusing us of distorting the record, and you can't expect to do that and not get challenged. If there is a third option between Darkstar being a liar and Darkstar being a moron for continuing to insist that he's right about Star Trek and Star Wars continuity despite being told he was flat wrong by VIPs from both franchises, explain it.

Even without regard for the particular rules of this forum, when you go through life you can't expect to get away with accusing people of being unfair/dishonest/wrong about something and then just skipping away like Goldilocks without them wanting some kind of explanation.

[Ghost Rider]

Oh look the bitch wants to go "G2K is not a mindless fucktard..."

So why is that his site is filled with a skewed canon statement that was demolished by Sansweet? Why is it that his analysis wouldn't cut the mustard in 101 physics? And finally his piss poor accusations of one member is nothing more then the drivel of two year old?

Right, not the mind of a fucktard.

I can't do anything to change your mind, and I'm not stupid enough to try.

Then show me how that is NOT being a mindless fucktard.

Did you read the link dumbshit?

The one that is from YOUR DEAD SITE?

The fucker actually ALLUDED that because one member is accused of fucking MURDER because he comes here. That isn't the mark of some fucking social reject?

Please, I want to hear a particular answer given this is the main thrust that seperated the cockgoblin from yabbering fanatic to outright slander of another person.

And you had it coming because of your prior reputation.

Prior reputation!? For what? Taking a different opinion that you? For speaking that opinion? Geez, what are you, a Fascist?

Yes, use the nice sounding words...maybe I'll be a nazi next time. If your that dull to this particular pointless aspect of the world then you're dumber then a block of cheese. And you haven't answered Poe's point anyway.

These things have a tendancy to skew a person's perspective. As long as he doesn't hound you, Poe can easily claim you're an idiot, providing he shows examples. Unless you show otherwise, you're shit out of luck.

But he didn't show examples, did he? And haven't I already said I was a hyped up little squirt back then? And haven't I admitted I don't know the first thing about science? Just because I'm a total moron when it comes to science, it doesn't mean I'm idiot. People have their different specializations, and mine happens to be writing, not science.

Good, you admitted you were a fucking moron. And?

And y'know if you could read, you would notice Poe's point had nothing to do with science of any sort but here's guessing reading was never a strong trait of yours, so I'll quote in very large letters so maybe mommy will translate.

Well, I guess I'll start with what hasn't changed: my stance on SW canon.

If your idiotic take on the proper SW canon hasn't changed from Darkstar's cum-spackled web pages, then no, you're not here to learn.

Given that you declared you sided still with being absolutely wrong, it says more then what you've spewed about your want to learn.

[brianeyci]

Haven't I just said that I concede that we haven't seen anything? Is reading my posts too much too ask?

No you mentioned this,

When I said my position has changed on that issue, I meant that it had reverted to either a "Feds have shuttles and orbiting ships argument" or that they have something to counter the Cardie mech infantry which, while logical, has no evidence behind it. Oh, and you forgot about the Klingon assault vehicle mentioned in Voyager.

I don't really know why Knife brought up your history and I don't really care about your history. I have maybe a handful of posts on your old board, now gathering dust on the internet. I was trying to help you, not flame you. Even mentioning the KAV in any way other than a bit of Star Trek trivia is really a red herring since we don't know anything about it... I'm not sure you understand that, because if you did you'd be laughing your ass off about the unknown mechanism G2k uses to explain the Deathstar and he'd be a moron in your mind.

I kind of liked his arguments too--when I was fresh out of high school. You can get ahead, read his stuff especially the blaster shot on Leia's arm and the bit where he brings up every single piece of one-shot wonder Star Trek technology to further his argument and... well, realize that he really is nothing to get excited about. Or you can keep saying "He's not a moron" and get flamed by people, it's your choice I think. If you don't want to argue whether he's a moron or not, bringing it up is a bad idea since people will challenge it.

Brian

[Darth Wong]

Hmmm, let me see if I can explain this for our little 16 year old friend here:

Suppose you go to a science forum and say "by the way, you guys are completely wrong about creationism, and basically your position is really nothing more than your personal opinion. But I'm not here to talk about that."

Can you honestly not see how this would create problems? Especially when you start complaining that they're being unfair to expect you to debate what you just said?

[brianeyci]

I have to say Newland, that saying that morons are not really morons and trying to find a middle ground is a good life skill. Because sometimes in life you have to work with morons, and you have to compromise. And people who do compromise generally do well in life. Even G2K has a job and can supposedly take care of himself.

But it's honestly no way to debate. If you're trying to find a scientific rather than a political solution to things, taking the middle ground and saying "he's not a moron but he's wrong" doesn't work. Socializing may be different because you can't call every moron a moron you come across, not if you're forced to work with them (or he has friend you want to know better ), but if you're trying to make a scientific analysis of one side or the other, one side is right and one side is wrong. If you're picking the middle ground that "SW canon is wrong but I accept your side" in a debate, don't expect not to get challenged. Better to keep such opinions to yourself.

Brian

[Stark]

I'd love to know how anyone can defend Darkstar's 'unique' take on canon when got owned in the face by LFL when he tried to get them to agree with him. Darkstar's got plenty of arguments that are more supportable than his canon ones: it's pretty hard to defend that one when the people in charge have told him he's wilfully misinterpreting the statements.

[Admiral Johnason]

Newland, just back off and sit your ass down.

The only reason I came back was I decided to stick to the things I am earning degrees in, politics and history. I also came back because I actually have grown up (when I was here the first time, I was a high school level noob.) I am now half way through college and kicking ass when it comes to my expertise and my debate skills have grown by leaps and bounds. I am not a physical scientist. I hate physics and chemistry (I have shown great desire and aptitude in biology) so I leave it to the experts. These guys know their shit. I love to talk about SW and ST, but I don't follow defeated arguements (RSA, his followers, most of the Old Testement.) I like it here and most of the people here. they put up with me and told me the blunt truth when I was a fuck up. I have since then corrected myself and my arguements and now try to debate like a person should, with fact on your side, a fair knowledge of your chosen topic, and good manners with a sense of humor. I suggest that you come back when you ar 19 or 20, and have some real life experience under your belt.

I want to apologize for being this guy's inspiration to return. I just hope that I haven't brought crazies out of the woodworks. I am sorry to all of those effected. Sorry for giving this kid the idea Darth Wong.