Hello again

[Captain Newland]

Hmmm, let me see if I can explain this for our little 16 year old friend here:

Suppose you go to a science forum and say "by the way, you guys are completely wrong about creationism, and basically your position is really nothing more than your personal opinion. But I'm not here to talk about that."

Can you honestly not see how this would create problems? Especially when you start complaining that they're being unfair to expect you to debate what you just said?

Wong, read what I'm saying: I HAVEN'T CLAIMED ANYTHING AT ALL! I answered a question by one of YOUR board members when he specifically said that I should just SUM IT UP. I am NOT going to write an essay on every topic thought of in the first ten seconds of my being here.

[SirNitram]

Wong, read what I'm saying: I HAVEN'T CLAIMED ANYTHING AT ALL!

You're lying.

'You're dead wrong' is a claim.

'That's your opinion' is a claim.

So yes. You have made claims. And I can see that everything you said starting off was a lie as well: You haven't changed. You're still every bit the self-righteous, smartass, know-it-all punk who came here before, and like a coward, heckled from the safety of another board.

Oh well. Not like I expected better.

As for Johnason. Not your fault. This guy makes his own choices in life.. He deals with the reprecussions himself. You just came back and decided to fess up and apologize. You stick to what you're knowledgable in. It isn't your fault Newland came back to make an ass of himself. That's his.

[Stark]

He doesn't want to 'write an essay'. Way to date yourself, Newland. For us adults, your 600-word 'essays' wouldn't get through the opening preamble.

Anyway, I'm sure he read the rules... especially that part about backing things up or conceeding. This dishonest 'I didn't say anything, but that IS what I think, but I've got no evidence, but I won't conceed' bullshit won't fly here.

[Captain Newland]

Newland, just back off and sit your ass down.

The only reason I came back was I decided to stick to the things I am earning degrees in, politics and history. I also came back because I actually have grown up (when I was here the first time, I was a high school level noob.) I am now half way through college and kicking ass when it comes to my expertise and my debate skills have grown by leaps and bounds. I am not a physical scientist. I hate physics and chemistry (I have shown great desire and aptitude in biology) so I leave it to the experts. These guys know their shit. I love to talk about SW and ST, but I don't follow defeated arguements (RSA, his followers, most of the Old Testement.) I like it here and most of the people here. they put up with me and told me the blunt truth when I was a fuck up. I have since then corrected myself and my arguements and now try to debate like a person should, with fact on your side, a fair knowledge of your chosen topic, and good manners with a sense of humor. I suggest that you come back when you ar 19 or 20, and have some real life experience under your belt.

I want to apologize for being this guy's inspiration to return. I just hope that I haven't brought crazies out of the woodworks. I am sorry to all of those effected. Sorry for giving this kid the idea Darth Wong.

Don't flatter yourself. I'm not back because of you, I'm back because I wanted to come back and talk, swap story ideas in the fanfic section, talk a little philosophy, maybe. Instead what I get is a kick in the mouth for answering a question. I will remind everyone here that I specifically said I was not interested in huge, drawn out debates, or even many debates period BEFORE ANSWERING THAT QUESTION. Instead of taking that into account, you've jumped all over me for being an idiot, for supporting DarkStar, etc. I hoped that I could maybe, possibly fit in around here, but instead people misinterpret and ignore what I say, then beat my face into the dirt.

[SirNitram]

Don't flatter yourself. I'm not back because of you, I'm back because I wanted to come back and talk, swap story ideas in the fanfic section, talk a little philosophy, maybe. Instead what I get is a kick in the mouth for answering a question. I will remind everyone here that I specifically said I was not interested in huge, drawn out debates, or even many debates period BEFORE ANSWERING THAT QUESTION. Instead of taking that into account, you've jumped all over me for being an idiot, for supporting DarkStar, etc. I hoped that I could maybe, possibly fit in around here, but instead people misinterpret and ignore what I say, then beat my face into the dirt.

No one's misinterperated anything, fuckstick. You made claims and freaked out when people recignized this fact and challenged them. You're acting like a brat; no surprise, you're just a teenager with an ego problem.

Don't want a debate? Don't make claims. That fucking simple, retard!

[Noble Ire]

Don't flatter yourself. I'm not back because of you, I'm back because I wanted to come back and talk, swap story ideas in the fanfic section, talk a little philosophy, maybe. Instead what I get is a kick in the mouth for answering a question. I will remind everyone here that I specifically said I was not interested in huge, drawn out debates, or even many debates period BEFORE ANSWERING THAT QUESTION. Instead of taking that into account, you've jumped all over me for being an idiot, for supporting DarkStar, etc. I hoped that I could maybe, possibly fit in around here, but instead people misinterpret and ignore what I say, then beat my face into the dirt.

Then why did you even bring it up? Rather than posting vague proclamations of support for Darkstar that you are unwilling to even discuss, you could have simply acknowleged your flawed past here, and focused on the areas you say you came back to focus on? Hell, if you'd done that, and shown an honest change in attitude over a period of time, most people her would have probably put your past to bed. Now, of course, you seem to have backed yourself into a corner; its not Darth Wong's fault for addressing the apparent flaws in your so-called reform.

[Aaron]

Don't flatter yourself. I'm not back because of you, I'm back because I wanted to come back and talk, swap story ideas in the fanfic section, talk a little philosophy, maybe. Instead what I get is a kick in the mouth for answering a question. I will remind everyone here that I specifically said I was not interested in huge, drawn out debates, or even many debates period BEFORE ANSWERING THAT QUESTION. Instead of taking that into account, you've jumped all over me for being an idiot, for supporting DarkStar, etc. I hoped that I could maybe, possibly fit in around here, but instead people misinterpret and ignore what I say, then beat my face into the dirt.

All you have to do to make this stop is say "I concede" and it will go away.

[Kane Starkiller]

Captain Newland you said that we are wrong about Darkstar, is it so difficult to at least try and defend him? If you have no defense then simply concede the point. You don't have to say "Yes Darkstar is a moron.", simply say "I admit I have no defense for him."

[Captain Newland]

Wong, read what I'm saying: I HAVEN'T CLAIMED ANYTHING AT ALL!

You're lying.

'You're dead wrong' is a claim.

I have not said that here yet, now have I?

'That's your opinion' is a claim.

So yes. You have made claims. And I can see that everything you said starting off was a lie as well: You haven't changed. You're still every bit the self-righteous, smartass, know-it-all punk who came here before, and like a coward, heckled from the safety of another board.

Oh well. Not like I expected better.[/quote]
"That's your opinion" was an attempt to AVOID A DEBATE I SAID FROM THE BEGINNING I WANTED TO AVOID, you jackass. I answered the question apocolypse asked me, and you jumped all over me for doing so. He specifically asked me to keep it VAGUE. You don't seem to realize that, and you don't seem to care to realize that. All you want to see is an idiot who hasn't changed so you can insult him.

[Captain Newland]

Captain Newland you said that we are wrong about Darkstar, is it so difficult to at least try and defend him? If you have no defense then simply concede the point. You don't have to say "Yes Darkstar is a moron.", simply say "I admit I have no defense for him."

I said we must agree to differ. Does not that sound like an "I have no defense for him type of argument?

[Captain Newland]

Don't flatter yourself. I'm not back because of you, I'm back because I wanted to come back and talk, swap story ideas in the fanfic section, talk a little philosophy, maybe. Instead what I get is a kick in the mouth for answering a question. I will remind everyone here that I specifically said I was not interested in huge, drawn out debates, or even many debates period BEFORE ANSWERING THAT QUESTION. Instead of taking that into account, you've jumped all over me for being an idiot, for supporting DarkStar, etc. I hoped that I could maybe, possibly fit in around here, but instead people misinterpret and ignore what I say, then beat my face into the dirt.

All you have to do to make this stop is say "I concede" and it will go away.

I already have. I said we must agree to differ, which is a concession in my book. If you don't take it that way, then I sincerely apologise for the confusion.

[Captain Newland]

Captain Newland you said that we are wrong about Darkstar, is it so difficult to at least try and defend him? If you have no defense then simply concede the point. You don't have to say "Yes Darkstar is a moron.", simply say "I admit I have no defense for him."

I said we must agree to differ. Does not that sound like an "I have no defense for him type of argument?

Whoa! That came out weird. It should be "I have no defense for him." Man, I've gotta relax.

[Admiral Johnason]

Newland, just back off and sit your ass down.

The only reason I came back was I decided to stick to the things I am earning degrees in, politics and history. I also came back because I actually have grown up (when I was here the first time, I was a high school level noob.) I am now half way through college and kicking ass when it comes to my expertise and my debate skills have grown by leaps and bounds. I am not a physical scientist. I hate physics and chemistry (I have shown great desire and aptitude in biology) so I leave it to the experts. These guys know their shit. I love to talk about SW and ST, but I don't follow defeated arguements (RSA, his followers, most of the Old Testement.) I like it here and most of the people here. they put up with me and told me the blunt truth when I was a fuck up. I have since then corrected myself and my arguements and now try to debate like a person should, with fact on your side, a fair knowledge of your chosen topic, and good manners with a sense of humor. I suggest that you come back when you ar 19 or 20, and have some real life experience under your belt.

I want to apologize for being this guy's inspiration to return. I just hope that I haven't brought crazies out of the woodworks. I am sorry to all of those effected. Sorry for giving this kid the idea Darth Wong.

Don't flatter yourself. I'm not back because of you, I'm back because I wanted to come back and talk, swap story ideas in the fanfic section, talk a little philosophy, maybe. Instead what I get is a kick in the mouth for answering a question. I will remind everyone here that I specifically said I was not interested in huge, drawn out debates, or even many debates period BEFORE ANSWERING THAT QUESTION. Instead of taking that into account, you've jumped all over me for being an idiot, for supporting DarkStar, etc. I hoped that I could maybe, possibly fit in around here, but instead people misinterpret and ignore what I say, then beat my face into the dirt.

Son, I told you to calm down. And you did say that you decided to return after reading my return thread. Taking to lyin' now are we? I was apologizing to the rest of the broad for your return (BTW, thanks SirNitram.) So shut your little trap unless you ahve decided to act like a decent perosn. I was trying to spare you from the fire boy, nut you had to attack me for trying to help. I only said you were young, not an idiot. Now I am calling you an idiot. Misquoting shows a lack of intelligence and a weak grasp of language. Lying and throughing away good advive shows definite stupidity.

[Stark]

No, it sounds like cowardly, get-out-of-jail-free, bullshit to end the argument without you having to concede.

Frankly, after DS went to LFL and got shot down, there IS no defence. If you can support an idea that has been show to be false by the people in charge, then you *are* an idiot, and everyone here will rip you to shreds until and unless you concede.

Its like this - can you defend him? Can you back it up? If so, debate. If not, CONCEDE. Don't wave your fucking hands around and say 'your opinion is as valid as mine' or wishywashy shit like that.

[Aaron]

"That's your opinion" was an attempt to AVOID A DEBATE I SAID FROM THE BEGINNING I WANTED TO AVOID, you jackass. I answered the question apocolypse asked me, and you jumped all over me for doing so. He specifically asked me to keep it VAGUE. You don't seem to realize that, and you don't seem to care to realize that. All you want to see is an idiot who hasn't changed so you can insult him.

Newland, on this board it is perfectly acceptable to flame people for being stupid or dishonest. It's right in the announcements: posting rule 4.

[SirNitram]

"That's your opinion" was an attempt to AVOID A DEBATE I SAID FROM THE BEGINNING I WANTED TO AVOID, you jackass. I answered the question apocolypse asked me, and you jumped all over me for doing so. He specifically asked me to keep it VAGUE. You don't seem to realize that, and you don't seem to care to realize that. All you want to see is an idiot who hasn't changed so you can insult him.

What I want to see is a silly little kid grow up and become a contributing member. Sadly, unlike, say, you, I am forced to only perceive reality. A cold, harsh place where immature little brats jump up and down when they realize they can't play the 'That's just your opinion!' game.

Worthless. It's ironic you chose Confucious' comment about the difference of being ignorant and wanting to remain ignorant; you are very clearly one of the latter, and you get so very, very pissy when someone challenges your worldview.

Like every other cranky fifteen year old who thinks he's got it figured out..

[Stark]

GHETTO EDIT - Again, sorry Johnason. Ever since I suggested thread-updates when posting, I get instaposted much more.

[Kane Starkiller]

Hey Newland if you are preparing a rebuttal which is not Darkstar's defense or a concession you will probably get banned so I suggest that you cool off for the next couple of hours before posting again.

[Admiral Johnason]

GHETTO EDIT - Again, sorry Johnason. Ever since I suggested thread-updates when posting, I get instaposted much more.

It's okay dude. Could this be moved to the Hall of Shame due to the growing storm clouds?

[Captain Newland]

Guys, I've had time to think on this, and I must apologise. There was misinterpretation going on on both sides. I failed to realize that my words conveyed my intent inaccurately, and that's my mistake. You had no fault in that. We're arguing now over something that I never intended to convey in the first place, and I got angry when you interpreted it the way you did without considering that what I had said conveyed the wrong message entirely: that I was trying to claim something. I made the distinction between answering the question I was asked and claiming something while you didn't, but now I look back on it, there is very little distinction. I apologise for that mistake.

[Patrick Degan]

Newland, I'm afraid you've gotten off on the wrong foot already.

[Captain Newland]

Newland, I'm afraid you've gotten off on the wrong foot already.

Something I just realized as I was mowing the lawn. That always seems to happen with me. I guess I do have more to learn than I thought I did.

[Stark]

What is it with these sorts of people? They can be all upset when others are mean, but they can't simply type 'I have nothing' or 'There is no evidence' or 'I can't prove' and make it all go away. What's so hard about admitting this sort of thing? We've all done it on SDN before.

[Captain Newland]

What is it with these sorts of people? They can be all upset when others are mean, but they can't simply type 'I have nothing' or 'There is no evidence' or 'I can't prove' and make it all go away. What's so hard about admitting this sort of thing? We've all done it on SDN before.

The problem is that I thought I was right. I made a distinction that barely existed. I didn't intend to put myself into the position of having to concede anything in the first place. This whole shouting match should never have happened.

[Stark]

Dude... you still haven't done it. You're waffling *around* admitting you've got nothing. Just do it and get it over with: it'll probably make you grow up a little bit.