Kingdom Hearts 2

[Steve]

hah... and as for the Epicness of KH I had a thought...

It's supposed to be a combination of Final Fantasy and Disney, but with 1 and 2, great emphasis has been placed on Disney, with FF taking a background role. I mean, the only Final Fantasy character actually in your group is Auron (a damn good choice..), but that is fleeting. All the worlds are also Disney based. Yes, I know, Cloud, Leon, Yuffie, ect, but none of them are characters for you to play as/with, and none of their worlds are there.

Maybe KH3 will include some FF worlds and a lot more FF characters so it seems more balanced.


Not that it's a bad thing, but as was mentioned, they're running out of Disney material, and it does seem that Disney has gotten the main emphasis.

The problem is that Disney provides key marketing muscle and capital to the project. They have to appease the Mouse. So we'll probably see some Disney involvement. And Maleficent still has to be dealt with....

And they still have some worlds to work with. Pocahontas, Jungle Book, Snow White, Chicken Little, plus I'm sure Disney could always work in the various cheap sequels and/or TV show plots for various worlds like Aladdin and Lion King.

Let's take Aladdin for an example. First you have the TV series, which produced a number of other archvillains whom Aladdin matched wits with (imagine getting the one Tim Curry voiced? Woot!). Then there was the second DTV, King of Thieves (Which I've never seen), that capped the show and movies off and had the search for that "Hand of Midas" talisman. Finally, there was a game some years ago that had Nasira, the sister of Jafar, seek vengeance for her brother - she would also serve as a villain for Sora's third trip to Agrabah.

Lion King and Mulan also have DTV sequels IIRC. Certainly a return to Port Royal may happen with Sora aiding Jack against Davy Jones. Heck, Disney might even arrange for a visit to Narnia if they can manage it.

Finally, for those of us who grew up with Disney classics, imagine visiting some Disney cartoon series. Chip 'N' Dale RR is a bit out of the question probably since they're already in the game as the Gummi engineers, and probably the same with Ducktales, but TaleSpin isn't out of the question, and neither is Gummi Bears. Imagine getting to beat on Duke Igthorn or Don Carnage.

Or.... dare I say it?.... Gargoyles.


That said, I wouldn't mind FF worlds, but I just don't see it happening. At most, they may finally allow more FF characters to be used in Sora's party.

[NeoGoomba]

Dare I say it, but Duckberg, with Gizmoduck as a party member, would be COOLER than having Cyan as a playable party member


There, I said it

[Steve]

Dare I say it, but Duckberg, with Gizmoduck as a party member, would be COOLER than having Cyan as a playable party member


There, I said it

Mentioning Gizmoduck makes me think of another potential party member from that same world that Sora could work with....

*sax theme begins playing*

"I am the terror that flaps in the night...."

[Praxis]

Dare I say it, but Duckberg, with Gizmoduck as a party member, would be COOLER than having Cyan as a playable party member


There, I said it

Mentioning Gizmoduck makes me think of another potential party member from that same world that Sora could work with....

*sax theme begins playing*

"I am the terror that flaps in the night...."

AWESOMENESS.

[Molyneux]

Dare I say it, but Duckberg, with Gizmoduck as a party member, would be COOLER than having Cyan as a playable party member


There, I said it

Mentioning Gizmoduck makes me think of another potential party member from that same world that Sora could work with....

*sax theme begins playing*

"I am the terror that flaps in the night...."

AWESOMENESS.

That would indeed by awesome, but only if they managed to snag Michael Bell to voice Quackerjack again...

[Ford Prefect]

Finally, for those of us who grew up with Disney classics, imagine visiting some Disney cartoon series. Chip 'N' Dale RR is a bit out of the question probably since they're already in the game as the Gummi engineers, and probably the same with Ducktales, but TaleSpin isn't out of the question, and neither is Gummi Bears. Imagine getting to beat on Duke Igthorn or Don Carnage.

Or.... dare I say it?.... Gargoyles.

Yes! Sky piracy!

[NeoGoomba]

That would indeed by awesome, but only if they managed to snag Michael Bell to voice Quackerjack again...

I doubt it would be hard. Michael Bell is one of the top videogame VA's AND since he seems like such a goofball, playing Quackerjack again might appeal to him.

[Vendetta]

They could always start using Final Fantasy worlds.... like SNES FF worlds....

I think that the problem with this in large part is the design lisencing. All of the FF characters so far are Tetsuya Nomura's own characters. I think in order to use any of the Amano characters or even Akihiko Yoshida's they'd have to renegotiate with those artists. I know that Amano's original art from which the earlier FF characters were taken are still copyright to him (hence him being the one that sells prints of them on his website). Creating new derivatives would likely require a new license fee and set of royalties on the images.

The situation with Yoshida might be different, because he's a Square employee, whereas Amano was always freelance as I recall. So potentially they could have Ivalice as a world, post FFXII.

[NeoGoomba]

Well they somehow managed to get Setzer in (an awful bastardization of him, but Setzer nonetheless), so perhaps there is hope. Unless Setzer was an early work of Nomura?

[Datana]

Well they somehow managed to get Setzer in (an awful bastardization of him, but Setzer nonetheless), so perhaps there is hope. Unless Setzer was an early work of Nomura?

Yes, he was, as was Shadow. Both received major redesigns by Amano, however, so could be argued as the design of either him or Nomura.

[NeoGoomba]

Yes, he was, as was Shadow. Both received major redesigns by Amano, however, so could be argued as the design of either him or Nomura.

So we could get Shadow in the next game!?! Oh man, he's the only FF character who could trump Gizmoduck in my little game of "ideas that will never happen"

[Darth Sephiroth]

Haven't quite played it yet but I did find some interesting spoilers for the KH3 preview when a friend directed me to them. I assume they're real, but they are spoilers if they are, anyone who knows differently please tell me

Someones thoughts on it
http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php ... entry38306

the actual video
http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=Pszu ... m%20Hearts

[avatarxprime]

Looking at the "Secret Ending" vid again got me thinking

Just to be on the safe side, spoilerized for your protection:
"Memory of Xehanort" and "Keyblade Master" both point to Riku, what with him having Xehanort's darkness inside him and all and he was the Keyblade master, the chosen one at least. "The lost two" could be a reference to Roxas and Namine, they were lost, but said they would live on. For the "Keyblade War" maybe the third faction, or the remains of Organization XIII discovered a way to allow people to wield keyblades after studying Riku, Sora, and Roxas, resulting in the mass use of Keyblades. Finally, "Chasers" sounds like people who chase after those still with the ability to wield keyblades. Anyway, those are my theories at this point.

[Molyneux]

Analysis of the 'Secret Ending' video:
(spoilerized for your protection)

Based on the motion of the three Armored Figures (AFs), the first and third appear to be male, and the second female. They also move essentially like humans.

I do not recognize the large keyblade the first AF is wielding; however, the three blades at the center of the crossroads appear to me to be the Kingdom Key, Mickey's keyblade, and Riku's keyblade (from KH2, not the fake from KH1). All of the other weathered keyblades appear to be weapons that Sora used in either KH1 or KH2; I can definitely make out Three Wishes, as well as the blade acquired from Cloud in KH2.

[Steve]

I like a theory my brother came up with.

From the game's Ansem Reports, one final mystery unexplained is how Xehanort opened the door deep in Ansem's basement (A door similar to the one in Destiny Islands I'm sure). Not to mention Ansem report 1, which shows Xehanort as having an unknown past and being "extraordinary" enough that Ansem actually used the term superhuman to describe him.

Furthermore, the secret ending - which I've seen in English - opens with a new Ansem Report about the Keyblade, and how there were two legends about it's wielder - that he saved the world, and that he brought chaos and ruin to it.

Finally, the text at the very end is that it will begin with "birth by sleep".

The theory goes as this: Xehanort was once a Keyblade Master who may have become evil or corrupt, resulting in an incident of some kind where he lost his memory and ended up half-dead at Ansem's door. Ansem's experiments unlocked the corrupted part in him that led to the creation of the Heartless and the Nobodies. Elements of the next game involving that would clearly involve such "Memories of Xehanort", and him being a Keyblade Master explaining "Master of Keyblade".

However, there are three central Keyblades as seen. Which means Xehanort quite likely had two allies who wielded the other two. Hence "the lost two".

Assuming they come back and can again control Keyblades, a conflict between Sora & company and Xehanort's allies could easily be classified as a "Keyblade War". "Chasers" may simply refer to how this conflict is played, or perhaps to a third organization that hunts down Keyblade masters due to whatever Xehanort did (or even general concerns about Keyblade wielders).

Finally, Birth by Sleep. My brother had the idea that Riku being restored by the explosion of Ansem's heart-to-data machine also may have allowed the release of Xehanort - the Heartless version of him - meaning that he could be the one who reassembles his former gang to be the new threat... with Maleficent and possibly the Chasers as other parties in the game.

We'll have to see.... by 2010 probably.

[Praxis]

There's also been some talk that Kingdom Hearts 3 might be a prequel.

Consider that along with the secret ending...

[Steve]

There's also been some talk that Kingdom Hearts 3 might be a prequel.

Consider that along with the secret ending...

That may be, but I'm sort of hoping it's not.

I would accept a mix, though, with prequel parts concurrent with the main game. Kinda like FFXIII, which IIRC had some parts where you controlled characters in the past.

[Darth Sephiroth]

You mean FFVIII, FFXII hasn't been released yet so FFXIII shouldn't have anything really known unless you're not telling us something we should know

[Steve]

You mean FFVIII, FFXII hasn't been released yet so FFXIII shouldn't have anything really known unless you're not telling us something we should know

Bah! Sorry, I meant FFVIII. I must have FFXII on the brain after briefly sampling the demo at GameStop (the one that comes with Dragon Quest 8).

[Almightyboredone]

I still say the greatest improvement would be the removal of the 'three characters in a party' crap. Even if the Beasts and Hercules weren't in you party directly, have them fight along side your party.

Just imagine that scene where you fight the 1,000 heartless, only with Beast, Auron, Hercules, Aladdin et al fighting by your side, or the ability to actually use your different forms. Then again, they may have to up the number of heartless to 10,000 to make it last as long.

[Praxis]

Alright, I beat the game two days ago and have been levelling up my forms to take on Sephiroth (I'm level 46, he kills me in one combo, but I will get Once More at level 47 and think I can take him).

To bring up an old post:

Basically, if you want to see the secret ending on Normal mode, you need to complete EVERYTHING. Every treasure chest collected, every weapon acquired, every item synthesized, Sephiroth beat, the works.

How are the extra bosses, anyway? I had all kinds of fun fighting Phantom, Kurt Zisa, Ice Titan, and Sephiroth after I pwned Ansem on KH1.

Does KH2 also have secret bosses, are is it just Sephy? And if so, how does he compare to the KH1 version?

Nope, just Sephiroth. But he is HARD.
He moves faster than his KH1 version, he has nastier attacks, and he deals quite a bit more damage. My roommate couldn't beat him 'til he was close to level 99, and had Ultima Weapon.

Tell your roommate he sucks A friend of mine beat him at level 52 using Sleeping Lion, and he's never leveled up a drive form.

[NeoGoomba]

Tell your roommate he sucks A friend of mine beat him at level 52 using Sleeping Lion, and he's never leveled up a drive form.

Aww that means I suck too. Damn you and your roommate!

[Praxis]

I got to level 47 earlier, just played a couple of rounds vs Sephy and got him down 5 bars.

I think I can beat him if I go at it long enough.