The Size of the Droid Army "Retconned"

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-04-25 02:51am

That's so pathetic. She's obsessed with her little cult of personality, and she honestly thinks you need 'credentials' to determine that three million clones isn't worth shit in a whole galaxy. Clearly, she likes the mental rimjobs she gets from McEwok et al.

nick012000 · Post by **nick012000** » 2006-04-25 02:53am

Start a campaign of writing letters to Lucas complaining. If he gets a deluge of letters from fans complaining about the behavior of a writer, do you really think she's going to be sticking around much longer?

ray245 · Post by **ray245** » 2006-04-25 04:41am

nice idea!

Better inform Lucas about the 3 million numbers EU tried to have...and we can see his response...

I would loved it when starwars.com posted the units as squads or divisons, making it even higher amount than Travis can think of...THEN we see her response...

Tiriol · Post by **Tiriol** » 2006-04-25 04:49am

Has anyone challenged Traviss's insults against the non-VIP members whom she labels "Talifans"? It appears if it is only she who insults anyone around there, especially now as of late, so pointing that out could result in hilariousness.

On another note, what kind of insults is she hurling? There has been several of them noted on this thread, but I don't remember even half of them. I mean, there just might be some insults and mockings that cross the line from arrogant into the world of slander. It would be priceless to see her face when someone with a thin skin raises charges against her on the grounds of slander. I'm not advocating that, but the idea does bring a smile to my face.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2006-04-25 06:23am

Tiriol wrote:Has anyone challenged Traviss's insults against the non-VIP members whom she labels "Talifans"? It appears if it is only she who insults anyone around there, especially now as of late, so pointing that out could result in hilariousness.

On another note, what kind of insults is she hurling? There has been several of them noted on this thread, but I don't remember even half of them. I mean, there just might be some insults and mockings that cross the line from arrogant into the world of slander. It would be priceless to see her face when someone with a thin skin raises charges against her on the grounds of slander. I'm not advocating that, but the idea does bring a smile to my face.

To my knowledge (I haven't checked though and I'm not a frequent visitor of the OS forums), the only thing there she's said is "talifan" (which came as somewhat as a shock to me the first time I saw it). Otherwise she's posting that sort of thing in her LiveJournal. She also deflects criticism against her as "attempts to gain status online", i.e. the same tactics as used elsewhere. See here for example:
+http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa? ... start=1335

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2006-04-25 06:53am

Stark wrote:That's so pathetic. She's obsessed with her little cult of personality, and she honestly thinks you need 'credentials' to determine that three million clones isn't worth shit in a whole galaxy. Clearly, she likes the mental rimjobs she gets from McEwok et al.

Really? Where did she say this? That's the same BS I got from fucktards like Ender_Sai at TFN. Great minds really do think alike.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2006-04-25 07:07am

Jim Raynor wrote:
Stark wrote:That's so pathetic. She's obsessed with her little cult of personality, and she honestly thinks you need 'credentials' to determine that three million clones isn't worth shit in a whole galaxy. Clearly, she likes the mental rimjobs she gets from McEwok et al.
Really? Where did she say this? That's the same BS I got from fucktards like Ender_Sai at TFN. Great minds really do think alike.

Jim, I posted an excerpt on the previous page.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2006-04-25 10:01am

I decided to take Traviss on myself. I made a post explaining yet again why 3 million makes no sense, bringing up many sources and refuting the usual retarded excuses. I maintained a polite tone throughout, so that she and her asskisser brigade wouldn't have any excuse for dismissing me as a troll. She basically sidestepped all my points, and accused me of being "passive aggressive."

She also dug up one of my old posts at TFN and accused me of "impugning character regarding statement of professional qualifications."

Karen Traviss wrote:Oh, and in case anyone wants to know what Jim Raynor here thinks of me, here's one of his TF.N posts:

"THIS is your idea of a valid argument? Please, any 12 year old who isn't an EU fanboy can tell you that 3 million is a stupid number. And what makes Traviss so qualified? She was a "defense correspondent" before becoming a writer, which is a fancy term for a journalist who interviews the troops. I can guarantee you that none of the troops she talked to would agree that
they could take on forces that outnumber them billions to one."

Lovely. It's known as "impugning character regarding statement of professional qualifications" in the legal world.

Alright, can anyone tell me what this bitch is accusing me of?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2006-04-25 10:03am

Jim Raynor wrote:I decided to take Traviss on myself. I made a post explaining yet again why 3 million makes no sense, bringing up many sources and refuting the usual retarded excuses. I maintained a polite tone throughout, so that she and her asskisser brigade wouldn't have any excuse for dismissing me as a troll. She basically sidestepped all my points, and accused me of being "passive aggressive." She also dug up one of my old posts at TFN and accused me of "impugning character regarding statement of professional qualifications."

Karen Traviss wrote:Oh, and in case anyone wants to know what Jim Raynor here thinks of me, here's one of his TF.N posts:

"THIS is your idea of a valid argument? Please, any 12 year old who isn't an EU fanboy can tell you that 3 million is a stupid number. And what makes Traviss so qualified? She was a "defense correspondent" before becoming a writer, which is a fancy term for a journalist who interviews the troops. I can guarantee you that none of the troops she talked to would agree that
they could take on forces that outnumber them billions to one."

Lovely. It's known as "impugning character regarding statement of professional qualifications" in the legal world.
Alright, can anyone tell me what this bitch is accusing me of?

She's trying to say you were commiting libel to dismiss your argument.

nick012000 · Post by **nick012000** » 2006-04-25 10:25am

So you reckon this ought to be mentioned in the Letters to Lucas campaign?

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2006-04-25 10:50am

Wow, Traviss actually dug up my SW Wiki profile:

Karen Traviss wrote:Just so we’re clear on Jim Raynor’s stance, folks, and how he approaches source material: my bold type on his words.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:JimRaynor55

I still haven't gotten around to reading many EU novels, although I plan to change that in the near future. Not completely satisfied with the Essential Guides, and thirsting for more SW knowledge, I searched the internet, eventually discovering Curtis Saxton's Star Wars Technical Commentaries. From Saxton's link page, I later found Michael Wong's Stardestroyer.net site.
Although I am no where near as scientifically knowledgable as the two of them, I was amazed by their thorough analyis of SW, and the way they were able to analyze it into a self-consistent universe that "made sense." I also developed a dislike for many EU sources which displayed shoddy research of the canon films (8 km Executor), failed to take into account the sheer scale and technological advancement of the SW galaxy (ridiculously low numbers of troops and ships, starfighters with top speeds below Mach 1).</i>

Shame you don't actually read the material you hate, but there you go.

This is the same bullshit that she pulled on icehawk:

Karen Traviss wrote:
jamescocksucker wrote:Let us be fair, he has done some research based on SOLID SOURCES:

"If we had greater source material we could go through each of the major battles during the Clone Wars and place some estimates on field armies and casualty rates. Unfortunately I lack the Clone Wars novels, so I am limited to the NEC, Cartoons, and the Wiki articles"
Oh, bless! He doesn't even read them!

Let's not be too harsh.

This is too easy. Get me another barrel, someone. I've splintered this one and soaked my carpet.

Does anyone else smell a red herring? So I haven't read some EU novels. I still know about what SHE has written in SW Insider, and I seem to have a better understanding of the way the Clone Wars have been portrayed in other sources than she does.

Post by **Vympel** » 2006-04-25 11:47am

jamesgilmer's worthless apologetics really get my goat. His insistence that all the other canon sources "aren't canon anymore" is especially grating and unfounded. I suggest you pound the fucker on that.

As for his use of the word "libel"-

Meest · Post by **Meest** » 2006-04-25 12:06pm

She's laughing all the way to the bank, even when the debates cool down she starts it all up again. She only has one more book coming out right? I wonder if she'll continue to even post about Star Wars stuff after that.

For Jim Raynor, just do the same things to her. Post her contradicting herself etc.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2006-04-25 12:11pm

Meest wrote:She's laughing all the way to the bank, even when the debates cool down she starts it all up again. She only has one more book coming out right? I wonder if she'll continue to even post about Star Wars stuff after that.

No, she's one of three authors in the nine-book Legacy era (the last one of her scheduled SW novels is due for release in May 2008).

000 · Post by **000** » 2006-04-25 01:55pm

That's rich, calling people on not reading source material-- when she's openly admitted several times that she hates reading and relies on the Holocron for all her Star Wars information.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-04-25 02:52pm

000 wrote:she hates reading

And yet she writes... why?

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2006-04-25 03:20pm

She sounds like a honest to god internet troll. Why would any company want to be associated with her?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-04-25 03:25pm

I'm sure she'd use this impending comment as proof of sexism. So, for the record, Karen, if you read this, I'd be saying the same if you were a man. GALE member 'n all:

Perhaps she sucked off the person in charge.

It's the only possible reason.

The Original Nex · Post by **The Original Nex** » 2006-04-25 05:53pm

Might I suggest, if anyone else wishes to engage Traviss over there, you do so under a different screen name than the one you use here or at TFN so that she can't pull this "You insulted me at another forum so I can ignore you" shit.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-04-25 07:13pm

Or just, you know, not bother. It's great and all that she thinks people criticise her 'to boost online profile' or whatever, and that she can troll her cult of dorks, but it's a waste of time. She's a terrible writer, and she's evolved into a troll. Just let her simmer, and one day we can all look back and laugh - I don't think anything anyone can do or say will change the way things go.

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2006-04-26 12:06am

NecronLord wrote:I'm sure she'd use this impending comment as proof of sexism. So, for the record, Karen, if you read this, I'd be saying the same if you were a man. GALE member 'n all:

Perhaps she sucked off the person in charge.

It's the only possible reason.

I doubt it.

I've seen this chick--or a picture supposeldy of her.

Not top shelf, this one. Course who am i to say, someone at LucasArts may like the gaunt, mousey look.

And no that was not a sexist remark either, Karen.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2006-04-26 05:25am

Jim Raynor wrote:Wow, Traviss actually dug up my SW Wiki profile:

Karen Traviss wrote:Just so we’re clear on Jim Raynor’s stance, folks, and how he approaches source material: my bold type on his words.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:JimRaynor55

I still haven't gotten around to reading many EU novels, although I plan to change that in the near future. Not completely satisfied with the Essential Guides, and thirsting for more SW knowledge, I searched the internet, eventually discovering Curtis Saxton's Star Wars Technical Commentaries. From Saxton's link page, I later found Michael Wong's Stardestroyer.net site.
Although I am no where near as scientifically knowledgable as the two of them, I was amazed by their thorough analyis of SW, and the way they were able to analyze it into a self-consistent universe that "made sense." I also developed a dislike for many EU sources which displayed shoddy research of the canon films (8 km Executor), failed to take into account the sheer scale and technological advancement of the SW galaxy (ridiculously low numbers of troops and ships, starfighters with top speeds below Mach 1).</i>

Shame you don't actually read the material you hate, but there you go.
This is the same bullshit that she pulled on icehawk:

Karen Traviss wrote:
jamescocksucker wrote:Let us be fair, he has done some research based on SOLID SOURCES:

"If we had greater source material we could go through each of the major battles during the Clone Wars and place some estimates on field armies and casualty rates. Unfortunately I lack the Clone Wars novels, so I am limited to the NEC, Cartoons, and the Wiki articles"
Oh, bless! He doesn't even read them!

Let's not be too harsh.

This is too easy. Get me another barrel, someone. I've splintered this one and soaked my carpet.
Does anyone else smell a red herring? So I haven't read some EU novels. I still know about what SHE has written in SW Insider, and I seem to have a better understanding of the way the Clone Wars have been portrayed in other sources than she does.

Ask her if she has read all the Clone Wars novels (and related books such as the ItW and ICS series) herself. What she's doing is outright baiting IMHO. Also, it seems as a new tactic: discredit the opponents and thus ignoring the pesky arguments instead of not just posting challenges and then ignoring the answers to those challenges.

000 · Post by **000** » 2006-04-26 12:07pm

She hasn't. Way, way before this all started, she repeatedly said she disliked reading and only relied on the holocron for information. The only EU things she's said she experienced first hand (off the top of my head) were Republic Commando and a couple comics, and probably Clone Wars.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2006-04-26 12:19pm

Mange the Swede wrote:Ask her if she has read all the Clone Wars novels (and related books such as the ItW and ICS series) herself. What she's doing is outright baiting IMHO. Also, it seems as a new tactic: discredit the opponents and thus ignoring the pesky arguments instead of not just posting challenges and then ignoring the answers to those challenges.

I just tried to post again, and bring up what you said. Guess what? The fucking skank whore already banned me! What a fucking chickenshit.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2006-04-26 12:35pm

Banned you from her LJ or from SW.com?