Membership in the Alliance

[Admiral Johnason]

I am getting ready to write a story and I would like to get the popular opinion on hte idea.

Let's say that a month after the Battle of Endor, a wormhole opens up near Mon Calamari or Chanderlia right inot the heart of the Federation (ten years after the Dominion War.) the Rebels, while gaining ground, are still hurting for resources. They decide to hammer out a treaty for the Federation to get tech while providing a aid and a safe refuge for the New Repubic. Now the story would leap ahead two years, the Federation, while still adjusting to the new tech and capitalistic allies, aer finally able to give some form of military aid to the rebels by sending in real warships and fighters, armed with turbolasers, hyperdrives, decent sheilds, and actual fighters.

The story would primarily deal with, at least in the beginning, the political and economic problems with the Federation from the perspective of the Alliance. The Federatin doesn't want to get involved in a war they are ill-equiped to fight in, so the Alliance, in order to gain access to the Federation's resources (food, new resources that the Federation didn't know were worth anything, access to ports and shipbuilding) would be forced to make technological concessions, primarily by selling off old ships as newer ones come on line and ship components. The reason for the time gap is that the Rebels manage to keep the Emipre from gaining access to the ST universe by using a massive counterintel campaign and by really beefing up the Mon Cal defenses. The wormhole will be in a neighboring star system to Mon Cal or Chand. that no one really ever uses and the wormhole itself will be conneted to a system near Andoria. The later chapters would take place around the time of the taking of Coursant, with the Federation finally commiting forces, and would last till the fall of the Emperor. The story would also feature the opening up of the Federation and the end of total socialism, with the Federatoin going from Ultra-France (far beyond what it is today) to about America in the 1970 with the social liberalism that we should have had in the late-1990's. I know the transition would be rough, but nothing worth doing rarely is not hard.

I do have three questions that I need some opinions on;

1. How much and how long would it really take to open up the Federation and join the war in an offensive manner.

2. Would the Federation have massive riots and protests if it returned to a TOS style economy and social structure (with money, companies, and Thomas More style religion)

3. How fast and how well would Starfleet take to the new tech and ships.

[Morilore]

I presume you mean "one month after the Battle of Yavin, since the Battle of Endor was the fall of the Emperor. Or are you talking about Wankatine?

1. How much and how long would it really take to open up the Federation and join the war in an offensive manner.

I don't see why they ever would.

1. The Federation has a positively tiny industrial and population base relative to the SW Galaxy. Any contribution they make would likely be piddlesticks.
2. Why would the Federation be willing to get directly involved in a conflict they have no real stake in, and which if the Rebels lost would result in them being subjugated? I can see them judging the risks of trading resources to be acceptable, but not of sending troops.

2. Would the Federation have massive riots and protests if it returned to a TOS style economy and social structure (with money, companies, and Thomas More style religion)

Massive social change is generally a recipe for all sorts of nasty unrest, but we don't know that much about the contemporary Federation social structure to really describe what might happen. Intelligent speculation never hurt anyone, though - this is generally where writer perogative takes over.

3. How fast and how well would Starfleet take to the new tech and ships.

I imagine they'd much enjoy kicking the shit out of their enemies, but if you're talking about technological assimilation - they wouldn't. You'd need to train a whole bunch of scientists and engineers in SW schools and then wait a few generations while the knowledge filtered down. Until then, they'd just be working from the instruction manuals. This is swords versus jet engines, here.

[Admiral Johnason]

I meant the Emperor Reborn.


And yes, while the industrial is small, most of their worlds that aren't home systems should still have massive amounts of resources from a lack of mining for specific resources that they probably would not have been looking for. However, it is possilbe tht the Fedies and the SW universe could still use most of the same resources, so that may not be possible. And you did bring up a point I intend to deal with: Why would the Fedies join the Republic, and they initially don't. The Republic eventually get enough sympathy from the Federation whne Picard is elected, who views the Empire as a real threat to what is right and decides to help the Alliance after he falls for Mon Mothma. Yes I know it is cheesey, but I needed some emotion

The fact that the Federation probably has access to massive food stores due to replicator tech would be a reason to open trade, plus I am going to make it possible that Bacta can be replicated, so the Federation would look a little better and would help alliveate pressure on Thyferra and allow for medical aid.

in the story, the Alpha Quadrent woudl be quiet after the return of Voyager. Janeway will be the governor of some world and will no longer be in Starfleet, but she will still have some role. Picard will be running for President of the Federation at some point after being the ambassador to the New Republic, just not sure when yet. Riker will be an Admiral and Laforge will have his own command. Sisko will return and will get a command. There will be no Borg or Q. I am going to correct a lot of problems in the shows.

[OmegaGuy]

Just make sure to have Janeway get fried by a Force Storm and everything else will be fine.

[NRS Guardian]

Considering this is the post-ROTJ NR we're talking about they would probably try to recruit the Feds with the NR looking for as much edge and allies to help them against the Imps as possible. Afterall, the NR was engaged in major propaganda cmpaigns to entice single worlds to their side much less a star nation with 150 member worlds.

Actually hyoerdrive and SW power generation tech would be a strong incentive for the Feds to consider joining the NR. If the NR feeds the Feds enough propaganda about the Imps being evil bastards that if they ever found out about the Feds would take over their entire galaxy and kill millions. The Feds especially after the dominion are either going to close the wormhole or join the NRs fight.

The Feds will probably take to using the tech given them fairly easily considering the ease with which SW tech can be used, however they aren't going to be understanding the science behind the tech for decades and they won't be designing any homegrown SW ships anytime soon.

[Morilore]

I meant the Emperor Reborn.

Okay, that might make more sense as far as the Federation throwing in their lots.

And yes, while the industrial is small, most of their worlds that aren't home systems should still have massive amounts of resources from a lack of mining for specific resources that they probably would not have been looking for. However, it is possilbe tht the Fedies and the SW universe could still use most of the same resources, so that may not be possible.

It strains credibility a little when you invent, or imply the invention of, random new resources that one power happens to have ignored. Not saying it can't be pulled off, but be careful. It would make more sense to me for the NR to view the Milky Way as a convenient bolthole for things they don't want the Empire to get at.

And you did bring up a point I intend to deal with: Why would the Fedies join the Republic, and they initially don't. The Republic eventually get enough sympathy from the Federation whne Picard is elected, who views the Empire as a real threat to what is right and decides to help the Alliance

Interesting, and it sounds in character for Picard to take a strong moral stance against military wisdom, but it seems like this clashes with his strict Prime Directive party-line-ism. He did at one point decide that an entire planet could die because the Prime Directive forbade interference. On the other hand, character development is good.

after he falls for Mon Mothma. Yes I know it is cheesey, but I needed some emotion

...I'll withold judgment.

The fact that the Federation probably has access to massive food stores due to replicator tech would be a reason to open trade, plus I am going to make it possible that Bacta can be replicated, so the Federation would look a little better and would help alliveate pressure on Thyferra and allow for medical aid.

By virtue of its population the SW galaxy has orders of magnitude larger food stores. Be careful not to wank to replicators here. Remember, there are forms of rainwater that replicators can't make, and if bacta is difficult for the Star Wars civilization, with its immensely advanced materials science, to produce, it is exceedingly unlikely that the Federation will be able to do so with such ease. If you must give the Federation some trinket that the Republic must have, I'd think the most plausible thing would be transporter technology: they may have ideological objections to moving themselves around, but the efficient delivery of inanimate parcels would probably be useful, and it's easier to sell that particular technological advantage as a plot point.

in the story, the Alpha Quadrent woudl be quiet after the return of Voyager. Janeway will be the governor of some world and will no longer be in Starfleet, but she will still have some role. Picard will be running for President of the Federation at some point after being the ambassador to the New Republic, just not sure when yet. Riker will be an Admiral and Laforge will have his own command. Sisko will return and will get a command. There will be no Borg or Q. I am going to correct a lot of problems in the shows.

Don't get a big head. Developing characters is fine, but it's cooler to make your own, especially in large universes like these.

Considering this is the post-ROTJ NR we're talking about they would probably try to recruit the Feds with the NR looking for as much edge and allies to help them against the Imps as possible. Afterall, the NR was engaged in major propaganda cmpaigns to entice single worlds to their side much less a star nation with 150 member worlds.

Single worlds... with SW technology.

Actually hyoerdrive and SW power generation tech would be a strong incentive for the Feds to consider joining the NR. If the NR feeds the Feds enough propaganda about the Imps being evil bastards that if they ever found out about the Feds would take over their entire galaxy and kill millions. The Feds especially after the dominion are either going to close the wormhole or join the NRs fight.

Prime Directive's a bitch. When the Federation violates it, it's usually about trade or some dipshit thing like that. Otherwise, they have no problems with evil bastards killing millions, and it's probably easy for their leaders to convince themselves that any contribution they make would be a drop in an ocean.

[Admiral Johnason]

Thank you for your help Morilore. I will scale back the use of replicators and try to play down teh use of new resources. Maybe they could just mine worlds untouched by current colonization. I will also try to keep the people real, but not stagnent. You need not worry.

And to answer an older question, the NR will have officers onboard the Fed ships with the new tech to help run the systems. You are right, the military would require a slow tech integration.

[PREDATOR490]

Thank you for your help Morilore. I will scale back the use of replicators and try to play down teh use of new resources. Maybe they could just mine worlds untouched by current colonization. I will also try to keep the people real, but not stagnent. You need not worry.

And to answer an older question, the NR will have officers onboard the Fed ships with the new tech to help run the systems. You are right, the military would require a slow tech integration.

Well, not if the Alliance was to supply the Federation with droids which could take over production for shipyard production while having full knowledge of the things they need to do.

Its also not true that the Federation would HAVE to build Star Wars ships. All the Alliance would need is ships that can foot similar technology, the class of ships wouldnt be that important.
Infact it would be more benefical for the Federation if they supply the Alliance with ships they already know how to make while upgrading the technology within them where possible.

The Alliance has been known to use the lesser quality vehicles compared to the Empire and they dont have an unlimited stash of cash or resources. Transfering too much would not go unnoticed by the SW galaxy.
Thus building fleets worth of Defiants armed with basic Star Wars technology would be greater than having to wait several years for the upgrading, training and equiping of Federation facilities.


If the Federation was to give some of their toys to the Alliance it would give them an increased amount of options.

Phase Cloak - Could be used for stealth ships and targets that dont have detection equipment. If this was incorporated into torpedoes... you might be able to create weapons that are able to pass through objects.
One prime use of this would be in combination with the Cardassian Dreadnaught Missile.

Transporters - Highly effective/fast method of transport for cargo and troops, providing their are no problems. If there are, just use droids.

Replicators - They DO allow the creation of basic materials, clothes, food, tools and smallish weapons. Also useful in combination with weapon technology such as the self Replicating Mines the Federation used. If these were upgraded to SW equivelent mines then you have a nice little weapon.
Just out of curiosity... if small mines can replicate themselves like this then wouldnt replicator facilities be able to do the same for basic droids ?
If so, you have the potential to make vast amounts of droids.

Holographic Technology - Things like the EMH program would improve medical care for the Alliance and allow them to get a "real" person doing the work rather than a clumsy droid.
It also has military applications, by making holographic enemies on the battlefield, camoflage and perhaps being able to make expendable holographic troops for actual combat.
It also has the Holodeck so Alliance training facilities can use these to train their guys much better.

Weapons - The damage output of phasers is small to SW but in terms of the beams, these could be effective against smaller targets if the power is increased to SW equivelent.
The phasers could be installed very easily on Alliance ships while keeping their existing weapons. Since Phasers are so low in power it shouldnt take that much to charge them on SW ships.
Effectively giving them a back up array of weaponary that -hopefully- will be more accurate against smaller targets.

The torpedoes that the Federation use would be of use to the Alliance, since they can fire spreads of torpedoes at once with changeable settings. The Torpedoes themselves could be filled with whatever the SW equivelent is then used on Torpedo ships for multiple torpedo launchers that can spam fire at the target.
In combination with phase cloaking torpedoes this advantage goes up even more.

Warp Drive - Allows another method of FTL to the Alliance which is slow but can be used as a back up should Hyperdrive not be workable.
Useful for ramships or ships that wish to try Warp attack runs.

Ablative Armour Generators - Having ships being able to use this with SW armour gives them an increased bonus in defense.

Other Species technology:

Technology that the Alliance might be interested in if the Federation gets a hold of it or the Alliance.

Borg Nanotechnology - Various medical applications, based on what happened in "One"
Borg Nanotech could be reprogrammed by Alliance techs to aid in the production of droids or any process.

Borg Transwarp - Being able to build massive networks that allow fast travel around the galaxy regardless of hyperspace routes.
Even non-hyperspace ships could use this if the situation demands it.

Borg Collective - Not sure how this actually works as an independant technology, basically take the "collective" concept of the Borg then put it into droids on the battlefield or anywhere. This would allow for faster efficiency since droids dont have to even speak to each other across large distances.

Borg Assimilation - The ability to take apart a ship and analyse it is good for reverse engineering of enemy technology while also allowing the ship to be re-used with additions. Assimilating enemy troops for interogation techniques is also possible - though HIGHLY doubtful the Federation or Alliance would use this.

Borg Regeneration - The ability to fix hull damage on ships even casually is useful.

Cardassian Dreadnaught Missile - Self guided smart missile with enough power to destroy a small moon.
If equiped with a Phase Cloak, SW droid intelligence and firepower - this would become an excellent strike weapon for vulnerable targets without having to expend lots ships.

Reman Cloaking device - The cloak the Scimitar allowed the ability to fire while active, something which provides an advantage to the Alliance for hit and fade strikes against targets that dont have detection equipment.

Dominion Shipbuilding and Cloning - The Dominion were rather proficient in the constructions of ships and their cloning technology seems to be faster than that of SW, while the troops themselves are excellent cannon fodder.
Wether or not the Alliance will use this particular fact of "re-educate" the troops for better combat efficency would be unknown.


Overall, ST does have a few toys that would help the Alliance against the Empire, even using new ships and weapons gives an advantage since the guys in SW would be caught off guard if this technology is suddenly used against them.

If used effectively the Alliance has a greater chance of winning the war while the Federation gains access to their technology.
The Alliance COULD attempt to JOIN the Federation as a member which means the Federation are honourbound to help the Alliance. If the Alliance supplies the Federation with droids then the time it takes for the Federation to catch up will not affect production since the Droids will be doing the work on their own while the Federation guys watch.

[Deathstalker]

Just a random thought. The NR suppling the Feds tech would change the balance of the Trek Universe. Fed security is shit, in no time at all, the other Trek powers would have Wars tech. It is kind of funny that the Feds are holier than thou with the Prime Directive, by not interfering with pre-warp civilizations, but would they have a problem accepting tech that they are not prepared for. Giving hyperdrives and turbolasers to the Feds is like giving gas turbines and nukes and all the support to handle the tech to 17th century England. Is the NR desperate enough to hand a technologically inferior galaxy such a massive boost?

[Morilore]

Well, not if the Alliance was to supply the Federation with droids which could take over production for shipyard production while having full knowledge of the things they need to do.

The point that sailed over your head is that it would take generations for the scientific and technical knowledge of the Star Wars galaxy to filter into the Trek galaxy. Until such time, the Federation would be unable to use any Wars-like ship that wasn't handed to them as a gift, complete with instruction manual, regardless of whether the ships were built here or there.

Its also not true that the Federation would HAVE to build Star Wars ships. All the Alliance would need is ships that can foot similar technology, the class of ships wouldnt be that important.
Infact it would be more benefical for the Federation if they supply the Alliance with ships they already know how to make while upgrading the technology within them where possible.

The Alliance has been known to use the lesser quality vehicles compared to the Empire and they dont have an unlimited stash of cash or resources. Transfering too much would not go unnoticed by the SW galaxy.
Thus building fleets worth of Defiants armed with basic Star Wars technology would be greater than having to wait several years for the upgrading, training and equiping of Federation facilities.

And that's the other part of the point that sailed over your head. You could not build Defiants armed with SW technology, because the materials science, power generation, structural propulsion requirements, etc. are so different. You would just be building Star Wars ships that looked like Defiants, but would be no easier to build than YT-1300 freighters. I'm not even sure if it would be credible to say that one could "upgrade" Federation construction facilities. You're basically saying here that you could "upgrade" bows and swords to the standards of modern military weapons, to the point where they'd be useful in combat.

If the Federation was to give some of their toys to the Alliance it would give them an increased amount of options.

I believe Berman and Braga have resoundling demonstrated that it's a shitty idea to use treknology as plot points. Technology can feed the plot, but the plot itself should be about people.

Phase Cloak - Could be used for stealth ships and targets that dont have detection equipment. If this was incorporated into torpedoes... you might be able to create weapons that are able to pass through objects.
One prime use of this would be in combination with the Cardassian Dreadnaught Missile.

As Wong pointed out on his special technology page, the ability of a phase cloak to pass through materials is hardly absolute. It is unknown whether the phase cloak could pass through thick armor at all. The Cardassian Dreadnought missle has slow warp drive, and before you say "upgrade with hyperdrive" let me remind you that Voyager was unable to use slipstream propulsion, not because they didn't understand the technology, but because their ship couldn't take the stress.

Transporters - Highly effective/fast method of transport for cargo and troops, providing their are no problems. If there are, just use droids.

Replicators - They DO allow the creation of basic materials, clothes, food, tools and smallish weapons.

Point here.

Also useful in combination with weapon technology such as the self Replicating Mines the Federation used. If these were upgraded to SW equivelent mines then you have a nice little weapon.
Just out of curiosity... if small mines can replicate themselves like this then wouldnt replicator facilities be able to do the same for basic droids ?
If so, you have the potential to make vast amounts of droids.

That assumption you made - "if these were upgraded to SW equivalent" - is another example of the swords-with-modern-steel error. And as for self-replicating droids - we've never seen self-replicating anything in Star Trek other than mines, so what makes you think that technology can be adapted?

Holographic Technology - Things like the EMH program would improve medical care for the Alliance and allow them to get a "real" person doing the work rather than a clumsy droid.

Demonstrate that the EMH program is superior to med droids. Demonstrate that it's better to have a "real person" doing medical work than a "clumsy droid."

It also has military applications, by making holographic enemies on the battlefield, camoflage and perhaps being able to make expendable holographic troops for actual combat.

Scroll down to Holo-shrouds.

It also has the Holodeck so Alliance training facilities can use these to train their guys much better.

Demonstrate that the Holodeck would make a better training facility than whatever the Alliance already uses.

Weapons - The damage output of phasers is small to SW but in terms of the beams, these could be effective against smaller targets if the power is increased to SW equivelent.
The phasers could be installed very easily on Alliance ships while keeping their existing weapons. Since Phasers are so low in power it shouldnt take that much to charge them on SW ships.

I hope you realize how much you just contradicted yourself here. "Power increased to SW equivalent" followed by "Since phasers are low in power." Nevermind how the first thing you said is like the fifth time you've assumed that one can just magic treknology to SW standards.

Effectively giving them a back up array of weaponary that -hopefully- will be more accurate against smaller targets.

Demonstrate that phasers are more accurate than SW weaponry against smaller targets.

The torpedoes that the Federation use would be of use to the Alliance, since they can fire spreads of torpedoes at once with changeable settings. The Torpedoes themselves could be filled with whatever the SW equivelent is then used on Torpedo ships for multiple torpedo launchers that can spam fire at the target.

Suppose someone can fire two arrows from a bow at a time. Could this skill be "adapted" to firearms (forget about the existence of shotguns for a moment)?

In combination with phase cloaking torpedoes this advantage goes up even more.

How do you know that applying phase cloak to torpedoes is either possible or useful?

Warp Drive - Allows another method of FTL to the Alliance which is slow but can be used as a back up should Hyperdrive not be workable.

That's like saying "use sails as a backup for aircraft carrier engines."

Useful for ramships or ships that wish to try Warp attack runs.

How much have we observed "warp strafing" in Star Trek?

Ablative Armour Generators - Having ships being able to use this with SW armour gives them an increased bonus in defense.

Demonstrate that "ablative armor" is better than SW armor.

Other Species technology:

Technology that the Alliance might be interested in if the Federation gets a hold of it or the Alliance.

What does any of this furious wanking have to do with the Federation's relationship to the Rebel Alliance?

Borg Nanotechnology - Various medical applications, based on what happened in "One"
Borg Nanotech could be reprogrammed by Alliance techs to aid in the production of droids or any process.

Demonstrate that nanotechnology is better than anything SW already has. Demonstrate that nanotechnology would be better at constructing droids than the methods SW already uses.

Borg Transwarp - Being able to build massive networks that allow fast travel around the galaxy regardless of hyperspace routes.
Even non-hyperspace ships could use this if the situation demands it.

Maybe a hundred years from now, when galactic conflict has settled to the point where massive public works projects like this are feasible.

Borg Collective - Not sure how this actually works as an independant technology, basically take the "collective" concept of the Borg then put it into droids on the battlefield or anywhere. This would allow for faster efficiency since droids dont have to even speak to each other across large distances.

You want to have battle droids behave like the Borg?

Borg Assimilation - The ability to take apart a ship and analyse it is good for reverse engineering of enemy technology while also allowing the ship to be re-used with additions.

Demonstrate that assimilating SW technology is even possible.

Assimilating enemy troops for interogation techniques is also possible - though HIGHLY doubtful the Federation or Alliance would use this.

Because in a story about politics we really need to here about interrogation methods of ordinary soldiers.

Borg Regeneration - The ability to fix hull damage on ships even casually is useful.

Demonstrate that Borg Regeneration technology can regenerate SW ships' hull damage at all.

Cardassian Dreadnaught Missile - Self guided smart missile with enough power to destroy a small moon.
If equiped with a Phase Cloak, SW droid intelligence and firepower - this would become an excellent strike weapon for vulnerable targets without having to expend lots ships.

You already brought this up, and its still useless. No one needs a way to strike at vulnerable targets, you can use anything you already have.

Reman Cloaking device - The cloak the Scimitar allowed the ability to fire while active, something which provides an advantage to the Alliance for hit and fade strikes against targets that dont have detection equipment.

Firing from a cloaked ship murders the point of cloaking, since you're giving away your location.

Dominion Shipbuilding and Cloning - The Dominion were rather proficient in the constructions of ships

ST ships. Swords and machine guns.

and their cloning technology seems to be faster than that of SW, while the troops themselves are excellent cannon fodder.
Wether or not the Alliance will use this particular fact of "re-educate" the troops for better combat efficency would be unknown.

Has it occured to you that the Jem'Hadar's shitty performance may in part be due to the fact that they are made so cheaply?

Overall, ST does have a few toys that would help the Alliance against the Empire, even using new ships and weapons gives an advantage since the guys in SW would be caught off guard if this technology is suddenly used against them.

You're just furiously wanking to technobabble concepts. If you took a few moments to compare the operating characteristics of SW and ST tech, you would realize that ST has next to nothing to offer, and what it can offer is of very limited use. And not the whole goddamn point, either.

If used effectively the Alliance has a greater chance of winning the war while the Federation gains access to their technology.

An infinitesimally greater chance, maybe.

The Alliance COULD attempt to JOIN the Federation as a member which means the Federation are honourbound to help the Alliance.

Because the Federation always acts with honor, and never employs realpolitick for its own selfish interests, no siree!

If the Alliance supplies the Federation with droids then the time it takes for the Federation to catch up will not affect production since the Droids will be doing the work on their own while the Federation guys watch.

Doesn't change the fact that Federation technology is useless to any SW power.

[Morilore]

Just a random thought. The NR suppling the Feds tech would change the balance of the Trek Universe. Fed security is shit, in no time at all, the other Trek powers would have Wars tech. It is kind of funny that the Feds are holier than thou with the Prime Directive, by not interfering with pre-warp civilizations, but would they have a problem accepting tech that they are not prepared for. Giving hyperdrives and turbolasers to the Feds is like giving gas turbines and nukes and all the support to handle the tech to 17th century England. Is the NR desperate enough to hand a technologically inferior galaxy such a massive boost?

I honestly don't know whether they'd give a shit.

[Deathstalker]

It would be nice to know if the NR did some research on the Trek Galaxy. How do they know they are not handing a loaded gun to a homicidal maniac. If the Cards, Roms or Founders get hold of SW tech, the Milky Way Galaxy will probably turn into a smoking ruin, and then whoever is left will come after the Wars Galaxy.

[Admiral Johnason]

It would be nice to know if the NR did some research on the Trek Galaxy. How do they know they are not handing a loaded gun to a homicidal maniac. If the Cards, Roms or Founders get hold of SW tech, the Milky Way Galaxy will probably turn into a smoking ruin, and then whoever is left will come after the Wars Galaxy.

The story takes place over a period of 6 to 10 years and there is trepidation on both sides. The NR does reseach the Fedies and the Klingons and they do take advisers niot the SW galaxy in order to back up their story.

In my story, the Roms will have turneda corner in terms of freedom and human rights by coming out of their shell and acting like a real nation. the Klingons are on their way to joing the Federation in 30 years and the Cardies will not play much of a factor. I am considering involving the Xindi on some level, but the Founders won't be involved.

[Deathstalker]

Why would the Feds be interested in a war that does not affect them. Traditoinally, the Federation does not engage in wars of conquest, it usually is defensive in nature. While SW tech is nice, Trek has been getting by fine without it, and I don't htink the Feds would want to get dragged into a conflict in another galaxy. What are they going to do, order ships and beings into another galaxy to fight and die, just so they can have faster ships and bigger guns? Now if there was an uber threat to the Feds from within the Milky way galaxy, and the only thing that would turn the tide would be SW tech, then you might have something.

[Admiral Johnason]

Why would the Feds be interested in a war that does not affect them. Traditoinally, the Federation does not engage in wars of conquest, it usually is defensive in nature. While SW tech is nice, Trek has been getting by fine without it, and I don't htink the Feds would want to get dragged into a conflict in another galaxy. What are they going to do, order ships and beings into another galaxy to fight and die, just so they can have faster ships and bigger guns? Now if there was an uber threat to the Feds from within the Milky way galaxy, and the only thing that would turn the tide would be SW tech, then you might have something.

The NR pulls on the heartstrings of the citizens of the Federation for long enough and hard enough to turn public opinion in their favor. Plus, early on, the Rebels stop an attempt by the Empire discover the Federation, thinking that the Rebels are guarding a new weapon, but give up when it doesn't make an appearance. The Rebels play off of that and the massive numbers of wounded and refugees that end up in the Federation after they decide to ally wit the Rebels, but would not join the war effort openly (sort of like France in NATO) until they feel that they are ready. And the Prime Directive goes ou the window when compared with technologically superior nations.

[OmegaGuy]

I've had an interesting idea for a crossover fic, but I'll never get around to writing one, so maybe you can use it.

Here it is: Omega Molecule = Hypermatter

[Stark]

Except it fucking isn't. Here's an interesting idea for a crossover fic, but I've never got around to writing one.

Here it is: Q = the Force

[OmegaGuy]

Well I was speaking hypothetically.

And Q isn't nearly cool enough to be the Force.

[Stark]

Ahh but he's much cooler if you don't see him talking, but just 'feel' him! Change all the lines in SW to 'Q' ... 'use the Q Luke' 'the Q surrounds us, binds us!' 'I feel a disturbance in the Q'. It's all a big pratical joke! \

[OmegaGuy]

Ah, I see.

[jegs2]

If the Feds joined the fight at all, it would probably be in the form of low-level insurgency or guerilla strikes, which is what made the Rebellion successful in the first place. An overt attack against Imperial targets would give the Emperor all the fuel he needed to garner support for a mass invasion of the MW galaxy (a la Mike's fanfic).

[PREDATOR490]

Snip

The point of this was to discuss membership in the Alliance. Two sides will usually ally if they have something to gain from either side.
Star Fleet has the potential to gain alot.
The Alliance has a few things which they might be able to use.

Everything I said was based on suggestion and assumption that they
a) Could be useful
b) Could be altered to be useful
c) No limitations stand in the way due to incompatibilities etc.

Wether or not its feasible is up to the writer and how strict they wish to be in their writing.
I was suggesting possibilities not stating actual facts that it WOULD work or COULD be done.

[Morilore]

The point of this was to discuss membership in the Alliance. Two sides will usually ally if they have something to gain from either side.
Star Fleet has the potential to gain alot.
The Alliance has a few things which they might be able to use.

Not nearly as much as you seem to think.

pEverything I said was based on suggestion and assumption that they
a) Could be useful
b) Could be altered to be useful
c) No limitations stand in the way due to incompatibilities etc.

Shitty assumptions, and demonstrably false.

Wether or not its feasible is up to the writer and how strict they wish to be in their writing.
I was suggesting possibilities not stating actual facts that it WOULD work or COULD be done.

If Admiral Johansen wanted to pull shit out of his ass regarding relative technology levels then he wouldn't have asked for advice.

[Admiral Johnason]

If Admiral Johansen wanted to pull shit out of his ass regarding relative technology levels then he wouldn't have asked for advice.

I am trying to keep it close to what most of the stuff that Mike and Poe have on their sites. There maybe some problems due to my lack of experience in science, but they will be corrected and I am open to suggestions. This is mainly a political and military story, not much else.

There are some things I had to invent for the sake of the story, but I coped up to them (the white hole thing) and hope that they can be forgiven.

[Battlehymn Republic]

I was going to start a new thread about this, but this one seems to have it okay:

Does the Trekverse have any technology useful to offer the Star Wars one, aside from replicators and transporters?