Moisture farmers. They would use their moisture vaporators (stupid name) to condense water, which is used to grow crops hydroponically.Xon wrote:Mos Eisely was also a back of nowhere location, and it was a lower economic area (water farmers? ROFL).
If that doesnt explain why deadbeat miniorities where concentrated there...
Imperial Racism, EU Brain bug?
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Water is one of the more abundant naturally ocuring chemical compounds in the universe.nick012000 wrote:Moisture farmers. They would use their moisture vaporators (stupid name) to condense water, which is used to grow crops hydroponically.
Its like complaining they are running out of hydrogen for fuel, when they are in a space ship capable of inter-stellar travel.
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Is the Galactic Empire racist? Well if the Empire is authoritarian, war like and genocidal I wouldn't put it past the bastards that they would be racist against non-humans as well. The Empire may even be discriminatory against certain homo-sapiens who came from certain planets.
But I don't think the Empire would be racist against most humanoid aliens but mostly racist against non-humanoid species who came from primitive worlds. Admiral Thrawn and Darth Maul belonged to non-human humanoid races, but that did not stop them from becoming top henchmen for Palpatine so there are possibly many billions of humanoid aliens serving within the ranks of the Imperial military or the Empire's bureaucracy.
I think the reason why all the high ranking Imperial officers all look and sound English is due to Hollywood stereotyping (all Hollywood English aristocrats are ruthless and snobbish megalomaniacs ala Alan Rickman's Sheriff of Nottingham) though the in-universe explanation is perhaps that the Republic and Empire recruited most of their officers from a Core World warrior aristocracy that is similar to Germany's Prussian Junkers.
But I don't think the Empire would be racist against most humanoid aliens but mostly racist against non-humanoid species who came from primitive worlds. Admiral Thrawn and Darth Maul belonged to non-human humanoid races, but that did not stop them from becoming top henchmen for Palpatine so there are possibly many billions of humanoid aliens serving within the ranks of the Imperial military or the Empire's bureaucracy.
I think the reason why all the high ranking Imperial officers all look and sound English is due to Hollywood stereotyping (all Hollywood English aristocrats are ruthless and snobbish megalomaniacs ala Alan Rickman's Sheriff of Nottingham) though the in-universe explanation is perhaps that the Republic and Empire recruited most of their officers from a Core World warrior aristocracy that is similar to Germany's Prussian Junkers.
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heya, this is my first post 
To the question of if the Empire is specieist in the movies or if the EU just invented it, I'd have to say the EU invented it. It's not an impression I got while watching the movie, although it is quite easy to see why the EU would claim something along those lines if George Lucas made the Empire out to be like the Nazi's.
What I see as the main contrast between the Empire and the Rebellion is that the Empire is orderly, with their forces of gleaming white Stormtroopers and geometrically proportioned warships, while the Alliance are raggedy and different. You know, the Empire is trying to make a clean orderly state where people are told what to think. The Rebellion on the other hand, is like a violent Hippie movement or youth movement, with all these colorfully dressed people with long hair who don't wash often, but are all for free thought and free love.
Aliens seem to be just a filler, to show that Star Wars happened in a Galaxy Far Far Away. And they are usually scummy or underhand, whenever you see them; the Hutts, Chewie is a smuggler, all those bounty hunters, the sleaze bags in the Cantina, the long nosed informant dude, etc. If there is any specieism going on, it's a standard Galaxy wide thing though. Sort of like how we forget that most people in the 20's and 30's discriminated against the Jews, and the Nazis just used this to their advantage.
I personally view how the Galactic Republic and Galactic Empire dealed with aliens - both as member states, and in the military - sort of how the SPQR and the later Roman Empire dealt with different nations under their jurisdiction. Mainly since the world 2,000 years ago seems very comparable to the SW Galaxy because various different states, tribes, kingdoms, democracies and republics lived in very close proximity to each other. I also think this was GL's intentions.
Due to this fact, the Romans were very culturally acceptable, and often let the rulers of states and kingdoms which had cooperated with Rome rule their own lands - Although Roman governors or senators were appointed to rule over the ares were these sates were located, with legions under their control (The best example being Pilate. Jerusalem had a native king who ran the city, but Pilate had control over all of Judea). This is curiously similair to what Palpatine did after he was granted emergency powers, by sending state representatives with government forces to rule over Sectors, even though he did not remove any current governors.
The Imperial military, perhaps the GR military as well, I am thinking would also be like the ancient Roman military in the sense that only certain people under their domain could serve the direct government forces. To serve in the legions you had to be a citizen, and for most of the Empire only Romans and certain Latin states were considered citizens. All other people living under the Empire could only serve as Auxillia. Perhaps, since the Republic and Empire were probably founded by humans, only humans would be able to serve the governmental forces? While Aliens could serve in auxillirary units or in local security forces. This does seem to be the case from what I've seen, even in the EU.
To the question of if the Empire is specieist in the movies or if the EU just invented it, I'd have to say the EU invented it. It's not an impression I got while watching the movie, although it is quite easy to see why the EU would claim something along those lines if George Lucas made the Empire out to be like the Nazi's.
What I see as the main contrast between the Empire and the Rebellion is that the Empire is orderly, with their forces of gleaming white Stormtroopers and geometrically proportioned warships, while the Alliance are raggedy and different. You know, the Empire is trying to make a clean orderly state where people are told what to think. The Rebellion on the other hand, is like a violent Hippie movement or youth movement, with all these colorfully dressed people with long hair who don't wash often, but are all for free thought and free love.
Aliens seem to be just a filler, to show that Star Wars happened in a Galaxy Far Far Away. And they are usually scummy or underhand, whenever you see them; the Hutts, Chewie is a smuggler, all those bounty hunters, the sleaze bags in the Cantina, the long nosed informant dude, etc. If there is any specieism going on, it's a standard Galaxy wide thing though. Sort of like how we forget that most people in the 20's and 30's discriminated against the Jews, and the Nazis just used this to their advantage.
I personally view how the Galactic Republic and Galactic Empire dealed with aliens - both as member states, and in the military - sort of how the SPQR and the later Roman Empire dealt with different nations under their jurisdiction. Mainly since the world 2,000 years ago seems very comparable to the SW Galaxy because various different states, tribes, kingdoms, democracies and republics lived in very close proximity to each other. I also think this was GL's intentions.
Due to this fact, the Romans were very culturally acceptable, and often let the rulers of states and kingdoms which had cooperated with Rome rule their own lands - Although Roman governors or senators were appointed to rule over the ares were these sates were located, with legions under their control (The best example being Pilate. Jerusalem had a native king who ran the city, but Pilate had control over all of Judea). This is curiously similair to what Palpatine did after he was granted emergency powers, by sending state representatives with government forces to rule over Sectors, even though he did not remove any current governors.
The Imperial military, perhaps the GR military as well, I am thinking would also be like the ancient Roman military in the sense that only certain people under their domain could serve the direct government forces. To serve in the legions you had to be a citizen, and for most of the Empire only Romans and certain Latin states were considered citizens. All other people living under the Empire could only serve as Auxillia. Perhaps, since the Republic and Empire were probably founded by humans, only humans would be able to serve the governmental forces? While Aliens could serve in auxillirary units or in local security forces. This does seem to be the case from what I've seen, even in the EU.