If you could save a Jedi...

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2006-04-27 04:14pm

Well, technically Obi-Wan was killed while the Purge was still in effect by Vader.

Then again - her death was never shown on-screen in Episode III, hence I do not consider her to have died.

Again the question as to whether deleted scenes are canon or not is raised.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2006-04-27 04:36pm

Stark wrote:Saving a woman from death for sex? That's really, really low. Like, lame teenage fantasy low.

I can see it being shallow and admit it as such, but why is it low? I imagine it's a typical fantasy to be the knight in shining armour, save the damsel in distress from the bad guys, who shows you her appreciation by going down on you or something.

It may be shallow and silly but I don't think it's low to save someone's life because you want to have sex with them. It implies you're really doing a bad thing if you save someone's life. Hell this thread has other shallow and silly things - save Ki Adi Mundi because he's really cool? Save Shak Ti because she pwned Grievous before he pwned her back?

Unless you're talking about Stas Bush's reason for saving Aayla...

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2006-04-27 05:15pm

DEATH wrote:Well, technically Obi-Wan was killed while the Purge was still in effect by Vader.
Then again - her death was never shown on-screen in Episode III, hence I do not consider her to have died.
Again the question as to whether deleted scenes are canon or not is raised.

They shouldn't more canon than the novel IMHO. Which has Shaak Tii alive and well on Coruscant and presumbly killed in the Temple by Vader.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2006-04-27 05:19pm

Mace Windu. Long live the great Sam Jackson.

He could have been a great aid to the Alliance during the Rebellion.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2006-04-27 05:26pm

Admiral Johnason wrote:Mace Windu. Long live the great Sam Jackson.

He could have been a great aid to the Alliance during the Rebellion.

As the one Jedi who fought Palpy to a standstill, and without Anakin, would have killed Palpy, I don't think the Emperor would have let him live if he had escaped the Senate offices.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2006-04-27 05:58pm

DEATH wrote:Well, technically Obi-Wan was killed while the Purge was still in effect by Vader.
Then again - her death was never shown on-screen in Episode III, hence I do not consider her to have died.
Again the question as to whether deleted scenes are canon or not is raised.

I read that the answer was generally "yes". Somewhere on SW.com. The Q&A section, I think.

As for the Jedi... what happened to the "Save a Sith" trust fond?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-04-27 05:58pm

Practicality: Mace Windu
Sentiment: The kid played by Lucas' son on the Temple platform.

Covenant · Post by **Covenant** » 2006-04-27 06:27pm

If I could save one Jedi from any of the deaths of that rather nasty Jedi purge, I'd save Windu just because he's tough. Sam Jackson has said he'd like to have spoken more like an enlightened, end-of-Pulp Fiction Jules than he did, with some more profanity, and I'd like to see old badass Windu. As one of the toughest, fightiest Jedi, he'd be a nice teacher for Young Luke along with Yoda. Yoda could teach him how a Jedi thinks, but Windu would trash talk his ass and teach him how a Jedi fights.

But we see Windu's story end within the movies (death is assumed though within the 'Boba-Fett Sarlacc Escape' realm of realism) not at the end of Order 66 but because of a heroic fight. Thus, he might be dead as dead anyway, within the realm of this debate, as has already been offered.

Same goes for Anakin, who doesn't die in a traditional sense, but as in "If you could save one Jedi." If you wanted to save him from turning to the Dark Side you'd need some amazing power to suppress the corruptive force of horomone-laced teen angst. Maybe, like, cut off his balls or something. It works for dogs! So I'm calling him a wash too.

Obi-Wan is dead far later so he can't be saved, plus he has significant storyline reason to die at that point. Saving Qui-Gon from Maul would be awesome, since not only is Liam Neeson's Jedi Master persona a badass fighter Jedi along the lines of Windu, but he could change the storyline to a greater deal than nearly anyone else. But he died far before Order 66 and the Jedi purges, so doesn't apply. But even saving him long enough to die at Order 66 could have very interesting consequences.

So, left with the rest, I'm not sure if they're really worth saving. Not really cool enough to justify leaving around. I'm not a huge fan of Jedi as-is, even though I think the ones I mentioned above did add a lot of color to the otherwise bland "holy swordsman" motif. A lot of the other Jedi were just kinda there afterall. If you can't save one of the big names then might as well let 'em all go, which puts more focus on Luke anyway, and that's good.

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2006-04-27 06:45pm

Covenant wrote:If I could save one Jedi from any of the deaths of that rather nasty Jedi purge, I'd save Windu just because he's tough. Sam Jackson has said he'd like to have spoken more like an enlightened, end-of-Pulp Fiction Jules than he did, with some more profanity, and I'd like to see old badass Windu. As one of the toughest, fightiest Jedi, he'd be a nice teacher for Young Luke along with Yoda. Yoda could teach him how a Jedi thinks, but Windu would trash talk his ass and teach him how a Jedi fights.

But we see Windu's story end within the movies (death is assumed though within the 'Boba-Fett Sarlacc Escape' realm of realism) not at the end of Order 66 but because of a heroic fight. Thus, he might be dead as dead anyway, within the realm of this debate, as has already been offered.

Same goes for Anakin, who doesn't die in a traditional sense, but as in "If you could save one Jedi." If you wanted to save him from turning to the Dark Side you'd need some amazing power to suppress the corruptive force of horomone-laced teen angst. Maybe, like, cut off his balls or something. It works for dogs! So I'm calling him a wash too.

Obi-Wan is dead far later so he can't be saved, plus he has significant storyline reason to die at that point. Saving Qui-Gon from Maul would be awesome, since not only is Liam Neeson's Jedi Master persona a badass fighter Jedi along the lines of Windu, but he could change the storyline to a greater deal than nearly anyone else. But he died far before Order 66 and the Jedi purges, so doesn't apply. But even saving him long enough to die at Order 66 could have very interesting consequences.

So, left with the rest, I'm not sure if they're really worth saving. Not really cool enough to justify leaving around. I'm not a huge fan of Jedi as-is, even though I think the ones I mentioned above did add a lot of color to the otherwise bland "holy swordsman" motif. A lot of the other Jedi were just kinda there afterall. If you can't save one of the big names then might as well let 'em all go, which puts more focus on Luke anyway, and that's good.

Seeing as how Kit Fisto flaunted Jedi law and had an illicit love affair with Aayla, I'd say he breaks up the "holy swordsman" motif pretty well.

Covenant · Post by **Covenant** » 2006-04-27 06:49pm

Yeah but he's goofy lookin' so I'm not gonna save him.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2006-04-27 06:58pm

I'd be tempted to save a librarian, preferably Jedi Master level, or failing that, someone from the aquistion division (or one that is both).

They have alot of knowledge, and if they can detect force potentials, they'd be useful in rebuilding the Jedi Order.

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-04-28 03:28pm

Solauren wrote:I'd be tempted to save a librarian, preferably Jedi Master level, or failing that, someone from the aquistion division (or one that is both).

They have alot of knowledge, and if they can detect force potentials, they'd be useful in rebuilding the Jedi Order.

That would probably be the smartest thing to do. After most of the Jedi have been killed, power is not as important as the knowledge that she has.

Thanas · Post by **Thanas** » 2006-04-30 12:19pm

Aayla - because she is one of the few competent jedi, and might actually be able to blend into civillian life.

Especially since most of the other competent jedi have survived, like Tholme.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-04-30 08:56pm

Stofsk wrote:I can see it being shallow and admit it as such, but why is it low? I imagine it's a typical fantasy to be the knight in shining armour, save the damsel in distress from the bad guys, who shows you her appreciation by going down on you or something.

It just irks me - the 'lolz I will save the tittie chick and fuck her lolz' attitude just REEKS of AYVB. Power games are fun and all, but what that says about how many people's mind works bothers me. 'I will save someones life for sex'? You don't think that's ethically bankrupt? Call me nuts, women - particularly powerful, independent women - *aren't* going to fuck you in these circumstances. Sorry.

And yeah, Stas is a lamer. Oh wells.

PS I'D SAVE QUINLAN VOS LOLZ.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2006-04-30 09:26pm

Stark wrote:It just irks me - the 'lolz I will save the tittie chick and fuck her lolz' attitude just REEKS of AYVB. Power games are fun and all, but what that says about how many people's mind works bothers me. 'I will save someones life for sex'? You don't think that's ethically bankrupt?

Well in the context of the thread it's hard to take it seriously - sometimes you just have those fantasies even if you think it's shallow and stupid (like I do). I wouldn't take any claim seriously though.

I do think it's ethically bankrupt to save a person's life for a reason beyond simply saving their life * - that should be enough for a normal person. In real life would you stop to think "Should I save that chick from being mugged/raped/killed because she's attractive?" If you actually are the kind of person that would rush in where angels fear to tread then you wouldn't stop to think on how attractive the chick is. You would just do it. Because stopping and thinking is anathema in that kind of situation.

EDIT: * Another example is: would you save a life and expect a reward? Save a millionaire and expect a hundred grand? Save somebody famous and become a celebrity yourself?

And for the record, though I think Amy Allen's tits are to die for, they're not the reason I would save Aayla - it has more to do with the fact she got shot in the back by her own troops. Everytime I see that scene I cringe and want to go "Look out behind you!" Though that's true with most of the Jedi deaths we see. Lil' Jedi Padawan almost made it too.

Call me nuts, women - particularly powerful, independent women - *aren't* going to fuck you in these circumstances. Sorry.

Complete agreement. Which is why such thoughts belong in the realm of fantasy. At least, I would hope so.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-04-30 09:39pm

I agree with you. I guess I read the thread and rolled my eyes at the lameness, and then realised it was about something pretty distasteful.

But ALL the Jedi got shot in the back by their own troops. Really, since the EU sucks, I'd want to save a SIGNIFICANT Jedi, not some blue tart. Like ... The Invincible Dark/Light Jedi Quinlan Vos, He Who Frowns.

Covenant · Post by **Covenant** » 2006-05-01 12:16am

I'd vote for Vos too, since he's a suprisingly nuanced character despite his "generic angst and rage!" appearence and such, but Lucas never got around to getting him killed off in the movie, and subsequent materials have used him, saying he escaped in much the same way as Kenobi. So, he really didn't die! No reason to save him. And, seriously, Aayla is barely hot. I'm pretty sure if I have the power to save a Jedi, but yet still have an overpowering desire for hawt secks, I'd save one of the less reputable ones and as them to help me pick up some chicks.

Star-Blighter · Post by **Star-Blighter** » 2006-05-01 02:48am

Stark wrote:It just irks me - the 'lolz I will save the tittie chick and fuck her lolz' attitude just REEKS of AYVB. Power games are fun and all, but what that says about how many people's mind works bothers me. 'I will save someones life for sex'? You don't think that's ethically bankrupt? Call me nuts, women - particularly powerful, independent women - *aren't* going to fuck you in these circumstances. Sorry.

And yeah, Stas is a lamer. Oh wells.

PS I'D SAVE QUINLAN VOS LOLZ.

Lets paint this in a different light: Hypothetically Stas is getting pussy for doing the right thing and you, well, aren't....

WHO'S THE LAMER NOW, SUCKA?101010101010/\/\/\/\/

[j/king]

In all seriousness however, I'd save Quigon Jin myself. When I first saw the Episode I trailers he just seemed to glow with the ideals set forth by the Jedi council, before we discover how badly Lucas fucked it all up.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2006-05-01 03:21am

I'd save Quigon Jin myself

I'd say I could save Qui, he was sympathetic and rather humanist far beyond your usual Jedi. But, too bad, he didnt' die on Order 66, he was killed before. So he can't be saved.

Star-Blighter · Post by **Star-Blighter** » 2006-05-01 05:46am

Stas Bush wrote:
I'd save Quigon Jin myself
I'd say I could save Qui, he was sympathetic and rather humanist far beyond your usual Jedi. But, too bad, he didnt' die on Order 66, he was killed before. So he can't be saved.

Why oh why can't I stick to the OP parameters?

I guess all the Jedi die then, cause I'm not saving any other fucker but Quigon, for he is da shit.

WTR · Post by **WTR** » 2006-05-03 05:44am

I'd save the kid. Got to admire his spunk like that. All the rest of his little firends are dead, the other elder Jedi are dead and instead of curling up into a foetal position and sobbing, he lays into some clones.
Only problem would be keeping him in line from wanting to go all Luke and try to kill Palpatine (or probably 'Annie') early. Then again, he'd had better training than Luke I suspect, would probably be easier to reign in.

Darth Lucifer · Post by **Darth Lucifer** » 2006-05-03 02:17pm

I'd save Plo Koon, just because he died like a bitch in his starfighter cockpit instead of on his feet. Out of all the Order 66 scenes, his death over Cato Nemoidia was the one that bothered me the most.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2006-05-03 02:26pm

Anakin is a selfish, child-murdering bastard who strangled his own wife out of jealousy. Saving him would have done nothing to change his fundamental nature. Fuck him.

I'd have saved all those young kiddies Anakin murdered. I mean, I feel sorry for them most of all. The older Jedi and maybe even the teenage ones it might make sense ot sacrifice, but the kids? No way.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2006-05-03 02:30pm

I don't think it was jealousy... blind fanaticism rather. She dared to stay in the way of His dream... his Dream of His Empire.

And he didn't care. He killed for his dreams and lust for power.

Essentially, he's just a tad more noble than Palpatine. His own code of "Kill for My Dreams" is not a far cry from Palp's "Kill For My I"