someone pointed out this points to convince them otherwise..
1. If God is everywhere, what's the difference between heaven and earth?
-When people say they are going to heaven, they assume they will be next to God. But if they are next to God right now, they are setting themselves up for a big disappointment. I think so anyway.
2. If God is everywhere, is he in hell?
-This opens up a slew of contradictions. Either the Christian god is not omnipresent or he steps foot into the epitome of evil. This is not the only time we'd see god dancing with the devil. (see Job)
3. If God is all loving, would he really allow 3/4 (or more) of his children to suffer eternally?
-Statistically speaking, I'd say about half or less Christians actually practice true Christianity. So the question, based on the argument of "God's grace", is the following. Can a loving God let all of these children suffer eternally?
4. If blaspheming the spirit is an unforgivable sin, what hope is there for born again Christians?
-Quick note, the word "unforgivable" doesn't even appear in the bible.
5. (Besides the bible) Is there a single piece of evidence that supports the notion that an all loving God exists? (Not just a creator, but a LOVING creator)
-No, the creation story works for any god. Does you being happy support a loving God? No. Does the entire world being fed? Yes. Too bad that hasn't happened.
6. If evolution didn't/doesn't occur...
-Why are there different human races?
-Why are there worthless chunks of DNA (IE introns) in every organism's genome?
-Why do we have an appendix?
-Why do we have a third undeveloped eyelid (nictating membrane)?
-Why do we have a tail bone (caudal vertebrae of coccyx)?
-Why do we have gills in fetal development?
-Why do we have muscles in our nostrils and ears?
-Why do we have wisdom teeth?
-Why do we get goosebumps?
-Why are our eyes most attuned to see red objects on a green background?
-Why are we made (70%) of salt water and not dust?
-Why doesn't penicillin work anymore?
-Why does the flu come back every year?
-Why are our retinas backwards?
-Why are our brains contralateral to our bodies?
-Why are there genetic defects?
-Why do species go extinct?
-Why do boa constrictors have hip bones and undeveloped hind legs?
-Why do manatees have fingernails on their fins?
-Why do baleen whales have pelvic bones?
7. How can homosexuality be a sin when there are homosexual animals?
-Since gay animals are found in the wild, homosexuality must have some natural (IE genetic) basis. This has been proven through irregular growths in the SDN-POA, Amygdala, and Hypothalamus. See: Kluverbucy syndrome. So either animals are sinners, or Christians need to retranslate the bible one more time.
8. If lustful thoughts are a sin, how can you be held accountable for your dreams?
THIRTEEN BIBLICAL CONTRADICTIONS AND ILLOGICS
1. Genesis and the order of creation
-Animals are created before man in (Gen 1:25). The animals made on the 5th day and man on the 6th. However, God blatantly creates animals after man in (Gen 2:19). Because man was lonely, God said "I will make a suitable helper for him" and made the animals. No animals suited him, so Adam made Eve. The literal contradiction occurs with the words "God made" in all translations of the bible, except of course the newest ones which say "God had made". But the obvious logical contradiction remains.
2. Sins of God.
-Murder- 10th plague, Flood, Sodom/Gomorrah, Job's family, sacraficing Jesus, Revenge/Wrath- Plagues 1-9, Flood and punishment in the following... (Numbers 16:46, Numbers 18:5, Deut 9:8, Deut 29:20, 1 Sam 28:18, 2 Sam 6:8, 1 Chron 27:24,...) -How can a perfect God sin? He breaks his own commandments and performs his own vices. I often read texts about how "proud" God is as well. Dangerous.
3. Jesus commit suicide
-Knowing you are going to be killed and doing nothing about it is called suicide. By definition a martyr is "one who chooses death rather than renounce religious beliefs". And the definition of suicide is "the act of taking ones own life, or choosing death for oneself". For instance, let's say you are told "If you leave the house tomorrow you will die". By leaving the house you have actively commit suicide. If I throw you into a pool and you refuse to swim, you have passively commit suicide. Matyrdom is just a passive suicide. For some reason, most people don't realize this.
4. The Messiah's mother wasn't supposed to be a virgin-
-"Almah" means pure in Hebrew. The messiah wasn't prophesied to be immaculately concieved, just conceived from a pure woman. In fact, he needed to be physically born from the "Seed of David" (see David below) to be elligible for the position. Jesus wasn't born with anyone's seed. This is a problem.
5. Dimensions of the ark are impossible-
-As we all know according to Hebrew history, a cubit is the length of one's forearm. If you calculate the dimensions of the ark (300cubits=450feet x 50 cubits=75 feet x 3 decks), you see that it isn't even large enough to fit 40 days worth of food for all animals in the world, let alone all the animals themselves. Remember, there are MILLIONS of animal species in the animal kingdom (the hundreds of thousands of vertebrates make up only 1% of animals on earth). Assuming every animal took 1 inch of space, and you have at least 2 of each species, you still wouldn't have enough room. This also leaves room to ask, "Why did Christians think the animals of Australia were a hoax if there was already a previous knowledge of them?" (See: platypus) or "How can we still be discovering new species of animals?" And finally, if dinosaurs weren't carried on the ark, then Noah didn't fulfill the will of God.
6. Job-
-God makes bets with the devil based on Job's devotion. How does an all loving God agree to ruin a man's life and murder his family to prove something to Satan?
I guess the answer is- very easily.
7. The Messiah must be of lineage to David and heir to the throne-
-Joseph is linked to David through the tribe of Judah. This is the tribe the messiah was prophecied to descend from. Even the begining of Matthew explains how Jesus is of the tribe of Judah. However, because Jesus was "immaculately conceived", the burden rests on Mary. Mary of the tribe of Levi, however, has no relationship to David whatsoever. Thus Jesus cannot be the messiah.
-For those of you who think Mary is somehow distantly related to David and rightful heir of the throne, please recall the following passages. "For thus says the Lord: David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel" (Jer 33:17) Mary would have to be sitting on the throne for Jesus to be the Messiah. That doesn't happen in Jewish patriarchal society. And for those of you still not convinced... "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh" (Romans 1:3). Mary doesn't have seed/sperm... I hope.
8. God said he would provide-
-How can anyone die of starvation ever if God made such a promise? Are all famines a myth? Even if there is enough food to feed the world right now, how do you explain all the starvation that happened a thousand years ago when there literally was NOT enough food?
9. God doesn't listen to sinners (John9:31)
-Yet God listens to Satan in Job 1:10-12, and agrees to test Job's faith.
-Yet God listens to Cain in Gen4:14-15, putting a mark on Cain so he won't be killed.
10. Snakes don't eat dust / Or satan crawls on his belly
-God condemns the serpent to crawl on his belly and eat dust for eternity. Since there is no evidence to support the fact that the serpant is Satan (and even if it did, revelations depicts satan on legs not crawling on his belly) and since we know serpants don't eat dust we come to 1 of 2 conclusions. Either 1. Bible contradiction or 2. Genesis cannot be taken literally (IE it is simply an allegory)
11. Jesus ran from a stoning, yet welcomed crucifixion for the same reason.
-John 10:30-40 explains how Jesus ran from the Jews when he tried to tell them he was the messiah
12. Blatant contradiction
-Mark 9:40 "for whoever is not against us is for us"
-Luke 9:50 "Do not stop him," Jesus said, "for whoever is not against you is for you."
-Luke 11:23 (opposite) "He who is not with me is against me"
-This say you don't need to believe in Christianity as long as you don't disbelieve it.
13. Bad Math.
-1 Kings 7:23 "He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits [15] from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits [16] to measure around it. 24 Below the rim, gourds encircled it-ten to a cubit.
-The math in this verse is impossible to exist. It would change the entire value of pi.
TWELVE TIMES THAT CHRISTIANS WERE WRONG AND KILLED PEOPLE FOR BELIEVING OTHERWISE
1. The world is flat
-I guess genesis just made more sense that way. How else could things possibly fall down!?
2. The earth is the center of the universe
-That would make sense if believing in God made sense. Sadly the sun does not revolve around us and sadly the rest of the universe doesn't either.
3. The flood wiped out humanity
-Unfortunately the chinese empire has no such records of a 4000 b.c. flood wiping out their people. Oh well. If only the Hebrew culture were the oldest...
4. The jews wanted to leave Egypt
-In fact, according to Egyptian and Mediterranean history, the Egyptians NEVER enslaved the Jews. The Egyptians KICKED THEM OUT because they were taking up too many resources. I guess when you write the history books, you don't want your grandchildren to think you got kicked out a country for being parasites.
5. Heaven is above the clouds
-So much for that when we realized the stars (heavens) are really just burning balls of gas. They had to reformat heaven to be in another dimension. Then, how the hell do ascentions work? Jesus and (depending on your faith) Mary's bodies just fizzled into heaven I suppose.
6. Hell is below the surface of the Earth.
-The whole fire and brimstone thing makes sense when you look at volcanos. But unfortunately, there's no tortured spirits below the Earth's surface, just liquid hot magma. But hey, if somehow hell is below the Earth, it HAS to be full by now, which means- heaven default for everyone!
7. Witches.
-One of my favorites. If Christians had confidence in their god, don't you think they would have let him smite the witches? (see Elijah) I guess Christians are more afraid of Satan than they claim. P.S. - Harry Potter is a Satan worshipper!
8. Dinosaur fossils are fake.
-Do I even need to talk about how stupid that is? Oh those tricky paleontologists! When will their clever ruse end?
9. Lizards continue to grow forever until they die-
-Just because lizards shed their skin doesn't mean they are always growing bigger. Because you exfoliate do you grow indefinitely? The fact is, legs have to grow exponentially stronger to support the linear increase in height. No lizard today (like ANY animal) could survive in the wild if it grew to even twice it's average full grown height.
10. Sickness is a way to punish sin
-According to Deuteronomy, sickness and suffering are God's way of dealing punishment for sin. The problem with this is that animals get sick too. Not only that, but almost no animal diseases or viruses are transferrable to humans. So either animals can sin, or this isn't the case.
11. When you are sick you are filled with demons.
-If only an exorcism would cure my allergies...which brings me to another point.
12. Every living thing has a purpose.
-Last time I checked, parasites (IE tape-worms) have no purpose. I'm sure God had some extra precious and magical DNA strands laying around so he just tossed them into some spare organic parts. And if every living thing had a purpose wouldn't a species going extinct (IE dodo bird) cause our world to collapse? The answer is obvious.
THIRTEEN INTERESTING FACTS
1. Not even 1/3 of the Earth is Christian
2. There have been over 34,000 seperate Christian groups identified
3. Though they preach love and tolerance, they are the sole cause of crusades, inquisitions, witch trials, the KKK, Nazis, abortion clinic bombing, and suicidal cults.
5. In order to be a Christian you must love Satan-
-That's right, as Jesus commanded "love your enemies". Well if Satan isn't your enemy, you have bigger problems than loving him.
6. Jesus is actually based off Mithra.
-The story of a divine child being born of a virgin mother on December 25th, performing healings and resurrections, having 12 disciples (the signs of the zodiac), and having a last supper with flattened bread (which had crosses on them by the way to symbolize the sun) was all done a few thousand years before Jesus. Yes, Jesus is a rip-off of the Persian god of "light and truth" (those symbols Sound familiar?). Mithra makes Jesus look like a cheesy rerun. Look up Mithra yourself if you don't believe me.
7. The Christmas tree is pagan
-In order to convert pagan Germany into Christianity, Christians adopted their false god (trees) into the festival of Christmas. "See guys, we worship trees too". ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
-Interestingly enough, this custom is condemned by the bible in Jeremiah 10:1-5. "Do not learn the ways of the nations... they cut a tree out of the forest...they adorn it with silver and gold"
8. Christianity is on the decline
-Though the gross number may be increasing, the percentage per capita on Earth is rapidly declining. Never has it been so difficult to find priests and pastors to spread the word of God. It's no wonder missionary work is so popular these days- "Give us your worship and we'll give you some bread". Without a second thought, Ethiopia says "K!".
9. Humans are not the only sentient creatures.
-We think we are special because we have the capacity to think, reason, and realize that we are people. This is the Christian explanation of the mind- a soul. Unfortunately, many primate species and dolphins are also self-aware (IE with "theory of mind", self-recognition etc). So either we go to heaven with dolphins or we don't go anywhere. Which sounds more logical to you?
10. There are several missing books from the intended bible.
-Didn't you ever wonder why only 6 of the 12 apostolic books made it into the bible? (Mat, Mark, Luk, John, Pet, James) And did you ever wonder why only 4 of these are considered gospels? (Mat, Mark, Luk, John) If you read the book of Thomas you would realize that none of these stories are inspired by "God". You'd realize that they are all wild attempts at making a normal person look divine. (In Thomas, little jesus turns clay fish into real ones for no purpose) It's just that half of these books seemed to make Jesus look better than the rest. The other half simply contradicted everything Christians currently believe.
11. Hitler is in Heaven. Ghandi is in hell.
-According to the theory of "grace", a belief in Jesus is the only way to enter heaven. By this logic, Ghandi a major world-peace activist and pacifist is burning away in hell. Meanwhile, Hitler a believer in Jesus and killer of millions, rests happily next to God.
12. You don't need Jesus to go to heaven. You don't even need to believe in God. -In fact, Matthew 19:16-19 proves this "Blasphemous statement". -16 Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"
17 "Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."
18 "Which ones?" the man inquired
19 Jesus replied, "Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother, 'and 'love your neighbor as yourself."
13. Christian faith is unbending
-This is my personal favorite. Ask a Christian the following: "If Zeus came out of the sky and said he was the God of the universe and renounced Jesus as having any divine power, would you still believe in Jesus?" Every Christian says "yes I would still believe in jesus". This proves, (regardless of whether or not Christianity is right or wrong) that they would actively believe in something that was proven wrong. If Zeus came down I sure as hell would worship him.
1. No comment.
"2. If God is everywhere, is he in hell?
Hell is not a place. It is separation from God, a state of being. Suffering we cannot imagine. "
Really? Then where does the devil make his summer home? Why are all atheists 'going to hell'. If hell is not a tangible place, we have nothing to worry about. Apparently there are no fires of hell. May want to brush up on your dogma.
3. No comment. However if the Gospels of Judas have any accuracy then Jesus was euthanised and that in itself is a sin.
" 4. The Messiah's mother wasn't supposed to be a virgin-
Jesus was physically born. He was the seed of David, just because he wasn't physically concieved does not mean he wasn't physically born. Don't be so silly. Jesus was born of the virgin Mary. Don't claim you know how he was supposed to be born. It was how it was. "
Seed of David expresses copulation. Virgin birth says no sex. Which is it? Plus I believe you misread the question. I think the question is pertaining to how, in certain parts of the OT "Not entirely sure where right now" it predicts that the messiah would NOT be born to a virgin.
"5. Dimensions of the ark are impossible-
First off, disproving the ark does not disprove Christianity...it has nothing to do with it. Secondly, none of us were there. Miracles happen. And don't talk to me about cubits. Translation after translation my friend, this happened thousands of years ago...don't calim you know the dimensions."
We know what a cubit is. Engineering studies have shown that a wooden ship that large would be inherently unstable. Miracles you say? What about the miracle of first FINDING and then FITTING 7 pairs of ever animal into a boat that small. Impossible.
"6. Job-
God works in mysterious ways. Once again, Job, a human, deserves nothing...and will recieve the glories of heaven for staying faithful. God knows all, and God KNOWS our time and suffering on earth is but a blink of an eye compared to eternity in heaven. Job's suffering is over now. "
If god does goos it was the lord's will, if god screws up then god works in mysterious ways... I WISH I had this guys PR department... he can't goof up!
"7. The Messiah must be of lineage to David and heir to the throne-
Lineage has nothing to do with blood. Joseph was Jesus' earthly father. Still, even if he wasn't...(but he is)...doesn't disprove Christianity just because an Old testament prophecy was wrong"
Jesus was god according to the trinity. Jesus believed in the OT. If Jesus believed in an INCORRECT OT prophecy then gods definition of infallible is now incorrect.
8. No comment.
"9. God doesn't listen to sinners (John9:31)
God listens to sinners. God listens to everyone, because he KNOWS if they are sorry or not. This verse means God will not answer you if he knows your intentions are ill founded. "
Your book, which is supposedly the word of god, says he doesn't listen to sinners. Who are you to tell god what he means?
"10. Snakes don't eat dust / Or satan crawls on his belly
This has nothing to do with Chrisianity. "
Snakes (garden of Eden) and Satan (periodically through the book) have nothing to do with christianity?
11. No comment.
12. We have uncovered several dozen BLATANT contradictions. Do I really need to rehash the list?
"13. Bad Math.
Translations. This was thousands of years ago, when people didn't know everything about math or pi. "
Yes, but this is GODS word. He should know math. Why does even he think that a rabbit chews it's cud?
"There. Chewed and spit back. Stealing the great words of johnathondwhite, you bring me garbage, I hand you a bag. "
HEY! That's MY line!
And what did this retard say it WAS? Let me guess, he totally ducked the issue.
