Need help with a school project- what do you think of rap?

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2006-05-09 08:35pm

To be entirely fair, how much classical music isn't about how tough, awesome or how much bling bling God has? How much music at all isn't aggrandising concepts that are kinda lame at the core, or a retelling of violent events or insipid romance which is just humanity's means of ensuring fucking?

Post by **Surlethe** » 2006-05-09 09:08pm

Rye wrote:To be entirely fair, how much classical music isn't about how tough, awesome or how much bling bling God has?

Lots of it? Very little instrumental classical music tells a concrete story, per se. It's generally difficult for instrumental music to relay a concrete tale, but quite easy for it to convey an impression or emotion -- for instance, the Eroica Symphony is all about heroism, and this comes through even from the beginning chords, but there's no distinct story to go along with it.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2006-05-09 09:44pm

Chardok wrote:Just for flavor...

E.S. Posthumus shows how sometimes, rap can be combined with classical-style songs to make good music....

ES Posthumus is not a fucking rapper. Or have you not noticed that his CD is composed entirely of instrumental songs?

He composes all the songs himself.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-05-09 11:01pm

HemlockGrey wrote:Hmm, sounds familiar...

Oh look, someone who doesn't recognize what it means when I talk about how much of a genre does this, as opposed to the strawman version of my argument where I claim that this behaviour was completely absent in the past. Yippee! The school system graduates people who can't read!

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2006-05-09 11:25pm

trust Metalicca, The Bad Seeds, or Thin Lizzy to take a song from the 1600 -1800s and make it a metal/industrial tune.

Chardok · Post by **Chardok** » 2006-05-10 01:04am

DPDarkPrimus wrote:
Chardok wrote:Just for flavor...

E.S. Posthumus shows how sometimes, rap can be combined with classical-style songs to make good music....
ES Posthumus is not a fucking rapper. Or have you not noticed that his CD is composed entirely of instrumental songs?

He composes all the songs himself.

I was more reffering to how he combines rap (Note the football song THEY (not HE, they're brothers) did. I think it works well. If you thought what I posted was criticism, you're sorely mistaken. Don't be a fuckhead.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2006-05-10 01:40am

Chardok wrote:
DPDarkPrimus wrote:
Chardok wrote:Just for flavor...

E.S. Posthumus shows how sometimes, rap can be combined with classical-style songs to make good music....
ES Posthumus is not a fucking rapper. Or have you not noticed that his CD is composed entirely of instrumental songs?

He composes all the songs himself.
I was more reffering to how he combines rap (Note the football song THEY (not HE, they're brothers) did. I think it works well. If you thought what I posted was criticism, you're sorely mistaken. Don't be a fuckhead.

Oh, I'm soooo sorry they've put out a single (and revealed who they really were) since last I looked at their website. A single which isn't even available to listen to on their website, I might add. How was I to know what it sounded like?

EDIT: Found a 2-minute sample of the song on the website where you can buy Posthumus' CD. It's by "ES Posthumus featuring DJ Quik and Bizarre". They are the rappers.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2006-05-10 02:57pm

Oh look, someone who doesn't recognize what it means when I talk about how much of a genre does this, as opposed to the strawman version of my argument where I claim that this behaviour was completely absent in the past. Yippee! The school system graduates people who can't read!

That's not what I was getting at all. I was under the impression that you were an AC/DC fan, so I find it a little weird that you would condemn a genre based on the fact that a sizable portion of popular rap is about tough guys and women. The melody stuff I get, but I just thought that was strange.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-05-10 07:16pm

HemlockGrey wrote:
Oh look, someone who doesn't recognize what it means when I talk about how much of a genre does this, as opposed to the strawman version of my argument where I claim that this behaviour was completely absent in the past. Yippee! The school system graduates people who can't read!
That's not what I was getting at all. I was under the impression that you were an AC/DC fan, so I find it a little weird that you would condemn a genre based on the fact that a sizable portion of popular rap is about tough guys and women. The melody stuff I get, but I just thought that was strange.

There's a reason that AC/DC didn't become a really big name until "Highway to Hell". Their earlier stuff just wasn't that good. People only like it in hindsight because it's associated with the same band that put out "Highway to Hell" and "Back in Black".

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2006-05-10 10:37pm

actually AC/DC was primarily influenced by Rose Tattoo.