"Play Beyond" Or "Playing is Believing"?

Max · Post by **Max** » 2006-05-11 09:35am

I'm not sure where to put this, exactly. So sorry in advance if this is the wrong forum.

Sony and Nintendo both revealed their slogans for E3, and possibly for their upcoming "console ware" campaigns. Which do you prefer?

I actually like both, but I'll give the nod to Nintendo's "Playing is Believing" because it accurately describes the message they're trying to get across with the design of their system. They didn't even need to explain, the point's obvious. While Sony's slogan "Play Beyond" has a nice ring to it, at this point it's just a general statement.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2006-05-11 10:13am

Nintendo's, simply because Sony's feels like an abstract statement/philosophy while Nintendo's actually describes what they're trying to prove.

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2006-05-11 11:48am

Neither, both quickly left my mind and made no impact.

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2006-05-11 01:36pm

"Play Beyond" just doesn't make much sense. "Play Beyond" what? "Play Beyond six hours of hour games and you'll get a headache"?

"Playing is Believing" is to-the-point and actually makes sense as a sentence. It's got my vote.

Post by **Dalton** » 2006-05-11 02:22pm

Both are cliche.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2006-05-11 02:28pm

Both suck.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2006-05-11 08:41pm

They both suck, but Nintendo's sucks more if only because of these two posts:

Praxis wrote:Nintendo's, simply because Sony's feels like an abstract statement/philosophy while Nintendo's actually describes what they're trying to prove.

So believing isn't an abstract concept, but a real one? One they're trying to 'prove' (your words, not mine)?

Molyneux wrote:"Playing is Believing" is to-the-point and actually makes sense as a sentence.

No it doesn't. 'Playing is believing'... in what? What do you believe in?

As a sentence, it has three words, all of which are verbs, ('is' is the singular present form of 'be', which itself is a verb... 'to be, or not to be'; it is or it isn't, etc), none of which are nouns or adjectives. So not only don't we know what is being believed in, but we don't know who is doing the believing or why they're doing it.

And yes, I do know what it is trying to communicate. But it remains a crappy slogan, not a sentence. Don't try to make it into a thing it's not.

Just be honest, for fucks sake, and say you like Nintendo more than you'll ever like Sony. Don't try this "Oh, but it speaks to me and is more profound" shit.

Davis 51 · Post by **Davis 51** » 2006-05-11 09:00pm

They both suck, but Sony sucks a bit more (Simply because it reminds me that I won't be able to afford a PS3, as it's price is "beyond" my reach).

They both need better slogans in the same sense that Bush needs an impeachment. It might not happen, but would be a plus for nearly everyone if it did.

Grandmaster Jogurt · Post by **Grandmaster Jogurt** » 2006-05-11 10:56pm

Stofsk wrote:[snip]
Molyneux wrote:"Playing is Believing" is to-the-point and actually makes sense as a sentence.
No it doesn't. 'Playing is believing'... in what? What do you believe in?

As a sentence, it has three words, all of which are verbs, ('is' is the singular present form of 'be', which itself is a verb... 'to be, or not to be'; it is or it isn't, etc), none of which are nouns or adjectives. So not only don't we know what is being believed in, but we don't know who is doing the believing or why they're doing it.

And yes, I do know what it is trying to communicate. But it remains a crappy slogan, not a sentence. Don't try to make it into a thing it's not.
[snip]

Actually, "Playing is Believing" is a sentence. "Playing" and "believing" are gerunds, which act as nouns, not verbs. So, with our to-be verb, we have a declarative statement saying "A is B". We don't need to know who is playing or who is believing, because it is saying that the ACT of one is the same as the ACT of the other.

As to the original question, they both suck. Also, have the previous slogans just been that forgetable, or is this the first time since the 16-bit era when the companies made them for their consoles?

Lancer · Post by **Lancer** » 2006-05-11 11:07pm

I like them both about the same. Which is to say, not at all, since they both suck.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2006-05-11 11:20pm

Grandmaster Jogurt wrote:Actually, "Playing is Believing" is a sentence. "Playing" and "believing" are gerunds, which act as nouns, not verbs. So, with our to-be verb, we have a declarative statement saying "A is B". We don't need to know who is playing or who is believing, because it is saying that the ACT of one is the same as the ACT of the other.

Yes. Thanks for sharing. While I've been demolished, I still insist that as a slogan it sucks.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2006-05-11 11:25pm

"Playing is Believing." "Play Beyond" really has no context, while Nintendo's slogan illustrates their position for the Wii.

Jadeite · Post by **Jadeite** » 2006-05-12 02:57am

Both really suck, couldn't they do any better?

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2006-05-12 07:09am

Wait wait wait. "Play beyond"? I thought Sony said that the PS3 wasn't a gaming console. It should be "Beyond play" in that case... "Playing is believing" makes sense, though it's still horribly cliché, I think.

One of them should have used "Let's play money making game". I would have voted for that...

OculusMortis · Post by **OculusMortis** » 2006-05-12 07:18am

I think Nintendo should have gone for "Wii love Games!"

Post by **weemadando** » 2006-05-12 07:21am

Playing is Believing.

Killzone 2 trailers are horse-shit.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2006-05-12 09:06am

"A Winner Are You" would've been infinitely better, with Ninty's being "Shine Get!".

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-05-12 10:49am

"Playing is Believing" actually has a discernible message, which is that you will become a believer once you actually try this thing. And not coincidentally, that is the same thing I'm hearing from people who have actually tried it. Therefore, it is a vastly superior slogan.

"Play Beyond" has no discernible meaning at all. It's like a perfume commercial, where you have to look at the context to figure out what it's trying to say.

Of course, the best slogan is "much cheaper than the other guy's overhyped overpriced white elephant", but only Nintendo can use that one.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2006-05-12 10:59am

They should go back to "Now you're playing with power."

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