The Sony Pii!

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2006-05-14 10:53am

Uraniun235 wrote:If any of my friends grab a PS3 at launch, I'm going to take their box and try to sell it on eBay.

*crosses fingers and hopes for high demand coupled with low supplies*

High demand at $600? Let's run the numbers. MS shipped about 500,000 X360's before Christmas. Half a million units coupled with high demand = huge shortage that didn't alleviate for months afterward.

Sony, on the other hand, wants to ship 2 million in roughly the same time frame. 4 times the consoles at a much lower quantity demanded because of the price = no shortage. There might even be a surplus of unsold PS3's. Sony could surprise me and sell through their first 2 million by Christmas '06, but I think that anyone who expects the "Buy 2 PS3's, sell one on eBay for an inflated price" trick to work like it did with the X360 is going be in for a rude and expensive surprise.

Post by **Vympel** » 2006-05-14 11:29am

Omega-185 wrote: And if you had been paying attention you would have noticed that 20 titles have been confirmed for the revolution lauch.

Which means nothing for the argument.

How many did the 360 have? 3 or 4.

Which, as has already been pointed out, is nonsense.

Then there is also the fact that most of the 3rd party developers have come back to the wii which means more games.

I was unaware of this "fact". I'm sure some third party developers are making games for the Wii. They did for the Gamecube. Just, well, not many good ones. Or many, period, for that matter.

And finally there is the fact that the Wii compleatly pwned the competition at E3.

Which has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

I realise that Nintendo's last few systems have not been the greatest but the Wii seems to have reversed that or atleast that is the impression.

No, the Wii hasn't reversed anything. It may once it comes out.

Of course you will probably dismiss me as a fanboy for pointing out the facts

You mean completely irrelevant facts, assertions?

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2006-05-14 12:07pm

On the issue of third parties, Nintendo is finally being taken seriously by third parties, at least from the devs I interviewed.

Look at the games. Even Square Enix is back with two launch titles for the Wii (Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles + Dragon Quest Swords) and two DS titles (one Dragon Quest and one Final Fantasy). Konami is developing Elebits and Hideo Kojima wants so badly to develop for the platform that he wishes he could dump MGS4 for it.

20+ launch titles. I've got a PDF of every Wii game in development known about (from Nintendo's press site). There's a lot of support just for launch. Capcom, Ubisoft, TECMO, Vivendi, Taiti, THQ, Warner Bros Interactive, Square Enix, Blitz Games, SNK, Sega, Natsume, Namco Bandai, Mastiff, Midway, Majesco, Konami, Hudson, Koei, Jaleco, Milestone, MTO, Nibris, EA, Eidos, Buena Vista games, Atari, Atlus, Activision, AQ interactive, etc, etc..

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2006-05-14 01:17pm

Wait, Kojima said WHAT?

In what interview is that?

Ironicly, it'll be the gamespot video

LMSx · Post by **LMSx** » 2006-05-14 03:41pm

Praxis wrote:On the issue of third parties, Nintendo is finally being taken seriously by third parties, at least from the devs I interviewed.

Look at the games. Even Square Enix is back with two launch titles for the Wii (Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles + Dragon Quest Swords) and two DS titles (one Dragon Quest and one Final Fantasy). Konami is developing Elebits and Hideo Kojima wants so badly to develop for the platform that he wishes he could dump MGS4 for it.

20+ launch titles. I've got a PDF of every Wii game in development known about (from Nintendo's press site). There's a lot of support just for launch. Capcom, Ubisoft, TECMO, Vivendi, Taiti, THQ, Warner Bros Interactive, Square Enix, Blitz Games, SNK, Sega, Natsume, Namco Bandai, Mastiff, Midway, Majesco, Konami, Hudson, Koei, Jaleco, Milestone, MTO, Nibris, EA, Eidos, Buena Vista games, Atari, Atlus, Activision, AQ interactive, etc, etc..

Ironic, since most bbs fanboys were cackling hysterically about how this would doom third-party support for the Wii. I think there's going to be a pretty large market in otherwise stagnant genres like sports games from people wanting to see the new Wii controls in action.

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2006-05-14 06:41pm

I'm still skeptical about the Wii controller spurring innovation. If the Wii has a strong launch and then has a solid continuing lineup of good games, I'll happily eat my words, but I think that there aren't enough creative developers to make the Wii into anything but a last-gen console with a neat controller that's used effectively by only a handful of games.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2006-05-14 06:46pm

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:High demand at $600? Let's run the numbers. MS shipped about 500,000 X360's before Christmas. Half a million units coupled with high demand = huge shortage that didn't alleviate for months afterward.

Sony, on the other hand, wants to ship 2 million in roughly the same time frame. 4 times the consoles at a much lower quantity demanded because of the price = no shortage. There might even be a surplus of unsold PS3's.

How do you figure? How are you estimating the elasticities involved?

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2006-05-14 08:28pm

Ace Pace wrote:Wait, Kojima said WHAT? In what interview is that?

Ironicly, it'll be the gamespot video

http://www.nwiizone.com/nintendo-wii/nw ... k-for-wii/

As a game designer, I’m very interested in creating something for the Wii. I’d like to run away from MGS 4 creation and create something for the Wii but unfortunately, I don’t have anything that I can announce at the moment. I have lots of ideas for Wii but I have a heavy schedule with MGS 4 and Metal Gear Online.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2006-05-14 11:54pm

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:Sony, on the other hand, wants to ship 2 million in roughly the same time frame.

Sony says a lot of things.

Loner · Post by **Loner** » 2006-05-15 01:37am

The Sony E3 conference in one minute.

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2006-05-15 01:54am

Master of Ossus wrote:
Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:High demand at $600? Let's run the numbers. MS shipped about 500,000 X360's before Christmas. Half a million units coupled with high demand = huge shortage that didn't alleviate for months afterward.

Sony, on the other hand, wants to ship 2 million in roughly the same time frame. 4 times the consoles at a much lower quantity demanded because of the price = no shortage. There might even be a surplus of unsold PS3's.
How do you figure? How are you estimating the elasticities involved?

Just how inelastic do you think the demand is? Rabid Sony fanboys may have a fairly large presence on the Internet, but the hardcore ones are mostly minors who will never be able to convince their parents to plunk down that much cash on a console. I just don't see PS3's flying off the shelves at those prices. Not without better graphics than the 360 is sporting, not without significant features that the 360 doesn't have, and not without killer apps. The PS3 has none of these things, and I don't think hardly anyone gives a shit about Blu-Ray at this point.

Omega-185 · Post by **Omega-185** » 2006-05-15 08:13pm

Davis 51 wrote:Omega, you fucking idiot!

If you are going to try and defend Nintendo, at least get the fucking facts right! You're just giving him ammunition.

Snip

And I would suggest you check your facts of that list of 18 only ten were actual launch titles.

These 8 were released latter:
Dead or Alive 4 - 12/29/05
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion - 3/20/06
Final Fantasy XI - 04/18/06
Full Auto - 02/10/06
Ghost Recon - Mar 9, 2006
The Outfit - 03/13/06
Saint's Row - Q4 2006 US
Top Spin 2 - 03/29/06 US

UCBooties wrote:Actually they had 18 launch titles so check your facts.

See above

The reason it seemed like there were so few is because there were only a couple worth caring about.

And my local EB only carrying 4 of ten titles.

If you think that 20 games at launch means that they're going to have twenty awesome hits than you haven't been paying attention to any launch in video game history.

No I am arguing that 20 lauch titles means Nintendo has recovered much of the lost third party support.

And I don't think you are a fanboy because you try to include facts in a debate (however poorly). I call you a fanboy because you said "they pwned the competition" as one of your facts.

And one of the inarguable facts of E3 is that the Wii was the most popular attraction and there was significantly more intrest in it than the PS3.

Vympel wrote: Which means nothing for the argument.
No, it means that your claim that the Wii will have very few games is full of shit.

Which, as has already been pointed out, is nonsense.
No, while I under-estimated there were infact half as many lauch titles for the 360 as there is suppose to be for the Wii

I was unaware of this "fact". I'm sure some third party developers are making games for the Wii. They did for the Gamecube. Just, well, not many good ones. Or many, period, for that matter.
And 90% of the third party developers have come out in support of the Wii. I don't have time to find the specifics but next post I will have the relevent quotes and statics.

Which has nothing to do with the issue at hand.
Yes it does, if E3 is any indication nintendo could dominate the game industry soon and by doing so gain back all the third party developers and have a large library of games.

No, the Wii hasn't reversed anything. It may once it comes out.

The Wii has caused nintendo's popularity to bounch back.

Post by **Vympel** » 2006-05-15 08:41pm

Omega-185 wrote: No I am arguing that 20 lauch titles means Nintendo has recovered much of the lost third party support.

Yeah, that's not a non-sequitur at all.

And one of the inarguable facts of E3 is that the Wii was the most popular attraction and there was significantly more intrest in it than the PS3.

So what? This has nothing to do with the issue.

No, it means that your claim that the Wii will have very few games is full of shit.

And it means that ... how? Oh, that's right, it's a non-sequitur.

No, while I under-estimated there were infact half as many lauch titles for the 360 as there is suppose to be for the Wii

Which is irrelevant. Third party support, and lots of it, is dependent on good fucking practice over time, and is not established by "OMG! They have x launch titles!"

And 90% of the third party developers have come out in support of the Wii. I don't have time to find the specifics but next post I will have the relevent quotes and statics.

See above.

Yes it does, if E3 is any indication nintendo could dominate the game industry soon

Since when was E3 an indication of anything as massive as dominating the gaming industry?

and by doing so gain back all the third party developers and have a large library of games.

Ever hear of chicken and the egg?

The Wii has caused nintendo's popularity to bounch back.

Because there were long lines at E3? Please. Wait for a few months after release.