How Much is Too Much?

[Coyote]

The "Muffin King" has been full of mischief in the Testing thread. Recently he posted a disgusting picture of poop in a thread (NSFW). Apparantly this was done in another thread there as well. In yet a third thread with a picture of poop (literally: feces, excrement) he was forcibly warned by Sir Nitram about being banned.

Now, the Testing forum is disposable and erased, and is pretty much used for nonsense and stupidity, but how much of this is too much?

Should Muffin King face something like a Temp Ban or other priv loss for sonmething done in Testing?

[Colonel Olrik]

It's the third time the moron does this?? Ban.

[LadyTevar]

Third time's the BanStick.

[Edi]

If he ignores the warning again, I'm not opposed to using harsh measures.

I have a very dim view in general of users posting pics intended to gross out others, unless it's relevant to the topic at hand (e.g. a thread on "Most disgusting pic" or some such). I also have an almost equally dim view of pic spamming.

I just looked through all the relevant places, and there is no specific rule to prevent what he did, so it's a case of mods stepping in and putting a stop to it. So no measures now unless he ignores the warnings. However, I'll fully support the staff coming down like a ton of bricks on any other user who decides emulating Muffin King would be a good idea. Basically MK is getting off because he's going to be used as an example to the effect of "This user did X, so now X is prohibited conduct".

Edi

[Surlethe]

On April Fools' Day, he was pic spamming threads with an image of chili which looked like someone taking a dump. I PMd him and requested he stop, and he did, replying that it was actually chili. I don't know that this qualifies as a history of posting disgusting images, but I thought it deserved mention.

Testing tends to have its share of threads marked NSFW, and I know the administrative staff has yelled at people in the past for posting NSFW images in unmarked threads (I can recall at least three separate incidents in the past, though I can't link to them, since the threadgrinder kills threads). These incidents certainly fall under the category of posting unsafe images in unmarked threads.

In any case, Posting Rule 7: "Explicit pornographic images may not be directly posted on this forum, although links to sites containing such material may be acceptable provided there is a clearly worded warning." I'm fairly certain shit counts as explicit pornographic material, so I would support punishment, if not an outright ban.

[Dalton]

One more picture of poop and I will go Wookiee on his ass.

[GrandMasterTerwynn]

The "Muffin King" has been full of mischief in the Testing thread. Recently he posted a disgusting picture of poop in a thread (NSFW). Apparantly this was done in another thread there as well. In yet a third thread with a picture of poop (literally: feces, excrement) he was forcibly warned by Sir Nitram about being banned.

Now, the Testing forum is disposable and erased, and is pretty much used for nonsense and stupidity, but how much of this is too much?

Should Muffin King face something like a Temp Ban or other priv loss for sonmething done in Testing?

If anyone continues a behavior that they've been warned about by the mods or admins, then they deserve what's coming to them. Doesn't matter what forum they pull their shit in.

If he was warned that he'd be banned, then a ban is what he should get.

[Edi]

The warning from Nitram came only after the third pic. So he's not in violation of anything with those three posts. The first two were posted in such quick succession that realistically they can only count as one offense.

That said, any more bullshit like this from him and let the asshat burn. For any offense, as far as I'm concerned.

Edi

[Edi]

And as long as we're talking about warning people for posting gross pics without adequate warning, here be a prime example. Those pics were inlined without any indication as to just how graphic they were, and only changed to links through moderator action. Personally I find them a lot more distasteful than a picture of some shit sitting in a toilet bowl, though they don't get any reaction from me. Just be sure that you have a strong enough stomach before taking a good look, because they are enough to make a lot of people nauseous.

Edi

[Gil Hamilton]

Hrm... having not actually seen the offending images, I can't rightfully say, but I'll take the word of the above that they are sufficiently gross. I think that this thread will scare him sufficiently that he'll never do it again, though a short temp ban might do him some good as a lesson not to inline really gross shit. I don't think he rates more than a Temp Ban, since it was in Testing and in what appears to be spamthreads.

[RedImperator]

I'd be completely in favor of a rule that prohibits stupid bullshit like that from now on. This isn't Rotten.com.

[fgalkin]

I'm not quite sure we should ban him, but a CT, OTOH, is something everyone can agree on

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

[Publius]

It seems worth pointing out that it isn't necessary that there be some specific rule prohibiting the posting of distasteful material without the courtesy of some sort of warning. This is a community of mature individuals, who are expected to behave themselves responsibly without being minded by etiquette police. Even if there are differening views on what is and what is not appropriate behavior in general, it seems that it goes without saying that certain behavior is simply unacceptable. There shouldn't be a mentality of "No rule says he can't do it, so he can." If a moderator tells someone to stop doing something, that is rule enough.

The last thing this board needs is sea lawyers.

[RedImperator]

It seems worth pointing out that it isn't necessary that there be some specific rule prohibiting the posting of distasteful material without the courtesy of some sort of warning. This is a community of mature individuals, who are expected to behave themselves responsibly without being minded by etiquette police. Even if there are differening views on what is and what is not appropriate behavior in general, it seems that it goes without saying that certain behavior is simply unacceptable. There shouldn't be a mentality of "No rule says he can't do it, so he can." If a moderator tells someone to stop doing something, that is rule enough.

The last thing this board needs is sea lawyers.

He did apparently stop after a mod warning, and I doubt he'll do it again with a Senate thread on the matter. Keep in mind, if a mod tells someone to stop doing something, and he goes ahead and does it again anyway, we can drop the hammer for disobeying a mod without there being any specific rule against whatever he was doing (of course, a mod who goes overboard with this power can look forward to an unpleasant chat with Mike).

At any rate, there seems to be two simultaneous issues in this thread:

1) What punishment, if any, should TMK face for posting pictures of turds in Testing?

2) Should there be a specific rule against that kind of behavior?

On the first, as annoyed as I am by that kind of juvenile nonsense, they were posts in Testing, and he stopped when told to by a mod. A tongue lashing and a Senate thread seems to be enough for a first offense. I think the talk about permbans and even temp bans is a little too draconian, unless TMK has a history of which I'm not aware. On the second point, I think a rule along those lines might be in order, though on the other hand, as Publius said, there's an expectation that members here will behave maturely, and if certain members can't figure that out on their own, then perhaps their presence on this board is no longer desireable.

And finally, I don't think we need to worry about sea lawyers--the "we'll close the loophole and shove it up your ass" clause covers that nicely.

[CmdrWilkens]

As usual Red gets in a point almost exactly as I would make it and I'm left with little other than to recommend his advice be taken by and large. The conduct is disturbing and tactless but it stopped when it was ordered (and should it resume again we already have mechanisms in place to deal with it). As to a specific rule there really gets to be a point at which too many rules simply means fighting over minutiae rather than letting reasoned adults come to logical conclusions so I would move against any specific rule on the matter.

[Knife]

*shrugs*

While distastefull, it seems he did indeed follow the warnings of a mod. I don't see why any action is warrented at this point. Though, now that he has been noticed, I'm sure the Mods will be watching you MK. *points finger*

[Surlethe]

Much earlier, there was a point raised before the Senate that the definition of "pornography" is unclear in Posting Rule 7. Perhaps, in addition to clarifying that definition, we need only extend Posting Rule 7 to also cover explicit images in general (with explicit as defined by agreement among the moderating staff). I agree standards exist among the board population which define accepted behavior, and I was under the impression the rules existed to clarify those standards and hold users accountable under an objective standard; thus, I would be in favor of a rule extension to cover the sort of behavior we've seen from TMK.

[Ghost Rider]

Or we could call it spam and call it a day.

I'm not for banning a person for being an idiot, and a mod warned him. If he complies, good. If not, well there's the variable whacking machine.

Adding extra parts to rules is in many ways a bit pointless. There is a certain restraint that the mods enforce that really don't need to be spelt out. If you look at the way the board handles many things, much is not laid out, but is in general understanding.