GW/WH40K modelling/gaming discussion thread

[Lost Soal]

At some point I plan to get back into the gaming side and until I learn through bitter defeat, I intend to carry on building my Speed Freeks. By the time I do get back there'll probably be a new Codex, but in the mean time this is the 1500pt army I'm planning on building.

HQ
Warboss on Warbike (105) Eavy Armour (8), Bionic Arm (10), Slugga (1), Blasta (3), Choppa (2), Iron Gob (6) - 135
Nobz Warbike Bodyguard. X5 Nobz (225) x5 Eavy Armour (40), x5 Slugga (5), x5 Blasta (15), x5 Choppa (10) - 295
Troops
x7 Warbikes (210) - 210
x3 Warbuggies (90) x3 Mega Blastas (60), x3 Grot Riggas (6) x3 Red Paint Job (9) - 165
x10 Trukk Boyz (90) Big Shoota (8), Nob (11) Big gob (6), Trukk (30) Rigga (2), Red Paint Job (3), Big Shoota (8) - 158
x8 Tankbustas (88) x3 Rokkit Launcha (21), Trukk (30) Rigga (2), Red Paint Job (3), Armour Plates (5) - 149
Elite
x13 Stormboyz (195) Nob (11) Iron gob (6) - 212
Heavy Support
x3 Gunn Trukks (90) x3 Kannon (75), x3 Riggas (6) - 171
Total 1495

The Warboss and Nobz mob I'm going to leave untill I getter better with green stuff, then model some black leather jackets onto them and hair squigs blowing in the wind.
At some point after that I'll also convert the generic warbikes I've got to make them look different. And some more jackets, probably yellow or Orange.

[Dark Hellion]

I am wondering, is that a fun army, or a competition army?
It looks damn fun to play with and against (MEGA BLASTA DAKKA!) with all the blastas, bikes, and other random orkiness.
However, it is extremely weak. It has no real anti-vehicle abilities to the poin that the entire list loses to a Land Raider Crusader or the ubiquitous 2xhellhound of mech guard. It also has nothing reliable to take down big monsters, such as Carnifex, Hive Tyrants, Wraithlords or Greater Demons.

I want to see some pictures of the models if you have some, I do love seeing well converted Orks, because you just don't see any over here in the midwest (most of the people who do really good conversions get sick of playing the orks, so you see like 2 a year, compared to the 2 dozen new marine conversions)

[Lost Soal]

I am wondering, is that a fun army, or a competition army?
It looks damn fun to play with and against (MEGA BLASTA DAKKA!) with all the blastas, bikes, and other random orkiness.

Right now its just something I thought would be fun, it fits the general character of a Kult of Speed, although I have asperations of trying my hand at the Grand Tournament. Its not fixed so naturally refinement would come from gameplay.

However, it is extremely weak. It has no real anti-vehicle abilities to the poin that the entire list loses to a Land Raider Crusader or the ubiquitous 2xhellhound of mech guard. It also has nothing reliable to take down big monsters, such as Carnifex, Hive Tyrants, Wraithlords or Greater Demons.

For vehicles theres the Tankbustas with plus 1 to armour pen. and the 3 Kannons. The best shooting weapon Orks have for anti armour ar Zzap guns, which are very random and unfortunately short ranged, 24".

Reliably taking down large monsters
What gave you the idea that Orks were reliable.
For them again missles, kannon and the Mega blastas should hopfully be effective, assuming they can hit. If I get a few games I'll probably end up switching to a mix of Blastas for heavy hitting against a squad and twin missles. The force I used to use had two twin big shootas and a heavy blasta in the squadran.

I'm also trying to figure out the right mix of foot troops, Burna boyz or tankbustas, Stormboyz or Ard Boyz. For the Ard boyz to be effective there going to need mounting in a battlewagon so I can have more than ten, which I don't have the points for.

I want to see some pictures of the models if you have some, I do love seeing well converted Orks, because you just don't see any over here in the midwest (most of the people who do really good conversions get sick of playing the orks, so you see like 2 a year, compared to the 2 dozen new marine conversions)

I have a few conversions at the minute, but I only have a cheep StyleBlink camera I bought years ago, and it refuses to comunicate with this computer. I tried, Wazdakka was going to be my first posted

I do have the basic premise for my force, which I what I want to try and theme it around.
It goes basically that one day, my warboss is shooting through space on his cruiser, looking for something to attack, when they picked up some ancient broadcasts and he tunes in to hear them. At this point he, and all the orks on the bridge, had there minds blasted, twisted and infected by a call from the Dark Prince Himself.


Ozzy.

So after being stunned into a stupour by the likes of War PIGS and Black Sabbath and thinking Ozzy's a preacher of war, he models his army on his, slightly screwed up, understanding on the songs. Hence he dresses in black and has plames painted onto himself and all the vehicles.

Incidently, Orks hearing and completely misunderstanding the premise of War PIGs is my, completely unsubstantiated, unsupported and contradicted, reasonfor why Orks ore so addicted to War. Sod that rubbish about the Old Ones

[Elheru Aran]

So I found the local gaming shop, and they've got some hella nifty blister packs... I am almost literally quite salivating at the thought of getting one or two of them, not for playing mind you but rather to try my hand at painting.

The problem is... I'm not sure how to go about painting... that is, I know you have to basecoat and all to start with, and then layer from dark to light or something like that, and add an ink wash or whatever for details... But what's got me stuck is the order, ya know?

So what's a good order in which to do your paints...?

Here's how I *think* it goes...
1. basecoat, spray usually?
2. primary colors...
3. details? wash? drybrush?

So yeah... i'd appreciate any help here

[Dark Hellion]

The order is really dependent on how you want things to look, I would recommend you buy a few old models off a local gamer and just paint and paint and repaint until you find what works. There are a large number of different methods that depend on things such as your hand eye coordination, the quality of brushes you are comfortable with, mixing abilities, and preference.
And Lost Soul, I am gonna get on Army Builder quick and churn out a KoS list suggestion for if you want to gear up for a GT. I don't know what kind of competition that you expect over there, so I'll just build it for generic American Metagame, which should be good (if you see a disproportinate amount of guard/bugs you may want to add a few more flame templates and big shootas).

[Azazal]

So what's a good order in which to do your paints...?

Here's how I *think* it goes...
1. basecoat, spray usually?
2. primary colors...
3. details? wash? drybrush?

So yeah... i'd appreciate any help here

No problem. My steps:

Prime

ANY METALICS FIRST (this way is any flakes stray, it won't kill you paint job)
base coat (black for silvers, dark brown for golds/bronzes)
Dry brush metallic color
glaze to unify color (very thin ink wash, mostly water with a touch of color)

PRIMARY COLOR
Base coat
Wash with a darker color
highlight with base color, leave the deepest recesses alone
highlight with base color + a little white, or if you have paint that's already a few shades lighter, use that. Whited down paint can look bland at times.
continue to highlight till desired level is reached, then a glaze to unify again.

SECONDARY COLORS
Same as the primary really.


Another option that can be used for figs that are going to be mostly one color with some details picked out. Prime them white, then paint them with a watered down (about the consitancy of milk) coat of your darkest color. Once dried, paint with you next shade up, again watered down. Keep doing this to build up layers of shading. What happens is that the pigmants will gather in the deeper parts of the model while the white primer will be tinted, but still shows through. I painted up theses Necron Pariahs this way. They started out pure white, the fist layer of paint was a deep rust brown, then trough about 10 layers up to a blood red. I then picked out little detials here and there.

[Dark Hellion]

Bump, I am gonna get to play with my BA tonight, so I may post up a game report tomorrow or so.

[Elheru Aran]

Hmm, regarding the paints, I'm guessing the official GW paints are some sort of oil-base due to needing some pretty strong cleaning fluid to strip 'em?

Also; will other paints work fine? I'm not real keen on shelling out $35 for the GW paint set when I could pick up two-three boxes of Testors from Walmart for the same price...

[Lost Soal]

Hmm, regarding the paints, I'm guessing the official GW paints are some sort of oil-base due to needing some pretty strong cleaning fluid to strip 'em?

Also; will other paints work fine? I'm not real keen on shelling out $35 for the GW paint set when I could pick up two-three boxes of Testors from Walmart for the same price...

GW, naturally, reccomends their own paints, but you would be perfectly able to use some other paints if you wanted.

[Utsanomiko]

Hmm, regarding the paints, I'm guessing the official GW paints are some sort of oil-base due to needing some pretty strong cleaning fluid to strip 'em?

No, they're acrylic polymer-based, and can actually be stripped by soaking in the right mild household cleaners.

I've painted my Marines so far with acrylics, mostly Tamiya acrylics, Model Masters British Crimson, a couple $2 2-oz bottles of basic craft paint for primer touchups and silver, and a little bit of 1-2 GW colors for minor accessory details.

So no, their miniatures are not specificaly cured to accept only GW-brands of paint.

[Keevan_Colton]

So no, their miniatures are not specificaly cured to accept only GW-brands of paint.

Though they'd do it if they could.

[DPDarkPrimus]

So no, their miniatures are not specificaly cured to accept only GW-brands of paint.

Though they'd do it if they could.

Luckily, developing a plastic compound for such a task is probably too expensive for them to consider. Not to mention that doesn't help with the metal minis.

[Dark Hellion]

Well, I didn't get to play (which blows), but there was a new guy at the shop, so I got to try to teach him the game. Only problem is I am the worse person to teach you the game, I am usually too much to the point, and will flat out tell people that so and so unit sucks, which doesn't make newer players happy because rarely do they do the math.
But next week, ooh baby, Game Report.
And someone needs to figure out a system to play this over the internet. I would poo myself if they did.

[Utsanomiko]

Oh great, so you heavy-handedly snap-judge in person, too. That's kinda tragic.

Anywho, I've finished my 3rd Marine squad all except one guy's bolter and accessories (purity seal and scroll canister, to hide a bit of an icky glue scuff on the pre-primed figure's body. I managed with the rest generally well otherwise). I should have the pics up tomorrow.

[Elheru Aran]

So I picked up what looks like a third edition, possibly second (date on back of blister pack was 1997) Chaos Termie... nice metal fig, stormbolter and chainfist. Gave it a quick paintjob-- incidentally, black or dark gray Rustoleum auto primer works very nice for a undercoat -- wasn't satisfied so tried a few different cleaning solutions... Goo-Gone, ammonia... it was acetone that did the trick though. Took it apart, mind you-- it has that effect on superglue-- but cleaned them up right good. Went at it again and damn it looks pretty good-- even went and tried a little customization. Snipped off the pointy bitz on its back and stuck a few of 'em on its right shoulder plate...

And today I got a box of plastic Chaos Marines plus a few more paints. I wonder if you can still use Chaos Termies in game... hmm.

But anyway! Pictures will be forthcoming in a few days or so after I finish painting the squad

[Lazarus]

The old Chaos termies were great, captured the sort of arcane look well I thought.

I think someone here said they were interested in starting marines, and I had a thought today about that. If anyone were to start marines, go with the Raven Guard. Since the new codex they kick ass. The special character for them is a jump pack equipped, lightning clawed ninja dude, and he can have a retinue of about ten jumpie clawed ninjas with him, with some nifty benefits as well. The RG don't have any drawback rules like BA or SW, so they're basically Ultramarines on speed. Anyway, Ultras are so mundane and boring, spice things up a bit and go for Raven Guard!

[Keevan_Colton]

The old Chaos termies were great, captured the sort of arcane look well I thought.

I think someone here said they were interested in starting marines, and I had a thought today about that. If anyone were to start marines, go with the Raven Guard. Since the new codex they kick ass. The special character for them is a jump pack equipped, lightning clawed ninja dude, and he can have a retinue of about ten jumpie clawed ninjas with him, with some nifty benefits as well. The RG don't have any drawback rules like BA or SW, so they're basically Ultramarines on speed. Anyway, Ultras are so mundane and boring, spice things up a bit and go for Raven Guard!

An infiltrating jump pack squad...which means they can start in charge range of the enemy...

They also get a bonus to their cover save, a free move after deployment...oh, and always get to be on the table even in scenarios that would normally keep them off at the start. Nevermind speed, we're into the realm of PCP.

[Lonestar]

Out of curiosity...have any of you made terrain for a battle? How much of a pain in the ass is it?

[Xenophobe3691]

I was considering starting a CSM army, either Emperor's Children or Thousand Sons.

Anyone have any experience with either?

[Utsanomiko]

Out of curiosity...have any of you made terrain for a battle? How much of a pain in the ass is it?

I made some on page 5 & 6. It's time-comsuming, but if you got the materials and a clear plan you can get some good results.

[Brother-Captain Gaius]

Out of curiosity...have any of you made terrain for a battle? How much of a pain in the ass is it?

I attended a workshop centered around that topic... I made some pretty good-looking pieces, a ruined wall segment and a gun pit. It was actually pretty easy and didn't take all that long, but then I had all the resources made available hassle-free; making stuff at home would be more irritating.

[Utsanomiko]

Murpf, more of the same. You know the drill.



I actually added some white highlights to the silver (chest emblems mostly) and grey on the armor, so they've got more defined lines and still look pretty good up-close. I think I'll do my Sergeants one at a time once I basecoat them next.

[Brother-Captain Gaius]

Shitty camera, shitty hand tremors, shitty lighting... I did the best I could.

The terrain I spoke of. The "Orky Tower" was built with spare parts left over from the gun pit and wall segment.



My 369th Cadian, in all their dubious glory. My oldest army, so a lot of the paintjobs are pretty old and I still haven't gotten around to painting some of them. There's a lot of mismatching from different experimentations with camo schemes and it's a general mess.



My Archon Knights chapter. Only two shots came out well, and this one shows off most of the army. I posted detailed (and better) pics of the construction process for the command squad around a year ago, if anyone remembers. They were built before the new Templar stuff came out, some they're primarily 4th Ed. Marine and WHFB Bretonnian parts and bitz, with a little greenstuff on the commander. The command squad is about 85% done (they need some touch-up and water-transfer heraldric charges).

My Reclusiam squad (not the greatest photo, I know. It really doesn't do them justice). These guys were my experimentation with Black Templar stuff (which fit the theme of my Archons excellently). Still some Bretonnian stuff but the Templar pieces pick up a lot of slack in terms of what I wanted to do with them. They're about 70% complete, still bits of them to paint, plus touch-ups on the heraldry and in general, and dry-brushing left to do.

[Utsanomiko]

I think I prefer my terrain, although people on eBay sure seemed to disagree. Its demand fell damnably short of the $8 price range, which led me to realize I'd rather keep it instead. Same thing with my plaster tank traps for $1 each, mumble grumble...




You've made some really interesting combinations of the BT and Bretonnian accessories, for sure. And man, I thought I had a lot of Guardsmen in mind for my planned army, but yours seems to be twice that in number.

[Lazarus]

I had a bash at terrain making in my early days of gaming, didn't turn out all that badly I suppose, definately playable but not much more than that really. I made a bunker, bridge, lake and river. The river turned out pretty well, I just spray painted carboard blue, then stuck river banks on, and poured PVA into the gap in the middle, made a nifty water effect, then flocked the edges. Problem was, it was the size of the entire board, so when I tried to game with it the bridge acted as something of a killzone.

I've been using the army painter on DoW:WA a bit lately, made a few cool IG designs. My favourite is the regiment I actually started building some time ago, then gave up. They have black and light grey camo, and black rigid armour. The effect works quite well I think, especially on the vehicles. I think if I were to try and paint them for real I'd paint white lines between the black and grey on the vehicles, might come out pretty cool methinks.