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bilateralrope wrote:
Admiral Johnason wrote:It would be hard for me to do, but I would release it. I am a liberal enlightened Catholic (yes I get the irony) but for the sake of the world, I would release it to the world after I came to terms with what I have discovered.
From my interpation of the OP, this fact would end your faith even if you decide to keep it secret since if it doesn't work on you, it won't work on the masses. So your current faith won't mean much.

Though I would like to see how a fundie board would react to this.
It works on me in this senario. If it would destroy my faith, the only quandry would be if I wanted to through the world inot a crisis of faith.
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Given that I consider all religion a mixture of a wasteful crutch and a blight upon the masses, I release the information, and don't give a damn about the consequences. I then inslut every talkshow host that attempts to get me on their show and put the recordings on a website.
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Part of me wants to blackmail the Church. Payback for all the drama they've been involved in from its inception. But I'm just a sick fucker sometimes. :twisted:

Part of me says hell no, because I fear the repercussions. But then again, something like this is worth giving my life for.

How do I leak it? Certainly not through FOX News or any other traditional media outlet. I'd have to say internet on this one. Free for everyone, if I could afford the server costs. Hell, I'd probably have ppl lining up to set one up for me so they can spam the people viewing this world-altering information with ads.
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If this fact worked as advertised, I'd write down multiple copies, place them somewhere safe, and immediately write a will that specifies that the contents be published after my death. The idea of spending the rest of my life a target for everyone whose fortune, political power, or worldview was upended by me personally is not appealing.
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RedImperator wrote:If this fact worked as advertised, I'd write down multiple copies, place them somewhere safe, and immediately write a will that specifies that the contents be published after my death. The idea of spending the rest of my life a target for everyone whose fortune, political power, or worldview was upended by me personally is not appealing.
Is there any reason you can't release the information anonymously? The premise is that the information is so devastatingly powerful that it will seemingly almost propagate itself once you decide to release it. I was under the impression that you could print out 100 copies on your laser printer, paste them on billboards downtown, and then just sit back and watch as the idea spreads around the world like a virus.
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Darth Wong wrote:
RedImperator wrote:If this fact worked as advertised, I'd write down multiple copies, place them somewhere safe, and immediately write a will that specifies that the contents be published after my death. The idea of spending the rest of my life a target for everyone whose fortune, political power, or worldview was upended by me personally is not appealing.
Is there any reason you can't release the information anonymously? The premise is that the information is so devastatingly powerful that it will seemingly almost propagate itself once you decide to release it. I was under the impression that you could print out 100 copies on your laser printer, paste them on billboards downtown, and then just sit back and watch as the idea spreads around the world like a virus.
There's nothing in the OP to specify it, but for something that Earth shattering, I'd be afraid someone, somehow would trace it back to me, even if it was a result of me making an unguarded statement or someone seeing me stapling a copy to a telephone pole. There would certainly be a concerted effort to discover who said it first after it got out, and I have a hard time imagining it would stay a secret unless I was extremely careful.
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RedImperator wrote:If this fact worked as advertised, I'd write down multiple copies, place them somewhere safe, and immediately write a will that specifies that the contents be published after my death. The idea of spending the rest of my life a target for everyone whose fortune, political power, or worldview was upended by me personally is not appealing.
If you have any children, or even close friends or a wife, they might become targets upon your death. It's not as likely as you being personally targetted, but is that really any more appealing?
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RedImperator wrote:There's nothing in the OP to specify it, but for something that Earth shattering, I'd be afraid someone, somehow would trace it back to me, even if it was a result of me making an unguarded statement or someone seeing me stapling a copy to a telephone pole.
Telling people that you started the whole thing would be stupid. And it's overwhelmingly unlikely that total strangers downtown would be able to pick you out of a lineup in the future because they saw you doing something as mundane as posting a piece of paper. Especially if this information is so devastating (as implied in the OP) that others would start copying it immediately anyway.
There would certainly be a concerted effort to discover who said it first after it got out, and I have a hard time imagining it would stay a secret unless I was extremely careful.
I think you're being silly here; it's hardly difficult to preserve your anonymity when you're doing something as simple as posting notes downtown. Wear nondescript clothing and a baseball cap, and then post it. If you're really worried, do it in the evening.

People downtown don't rush to see what people post on the walls, nor do they make a note of peoples' faces when it's being done.
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Zero132132 wrote:
RedImperator wrote:If this fact worked as advertised, I'd write down multiple copies, place them somewhere safe, and immediately write a will that specifies that the contents be published after my death. The idea of spending the rest of my life a target for everyone whose fortune, political power, or worldview was upended by me personally is not appealing.
If you have any children, or even close friends or a wife, they might become targets upon your death. It's not as likely as you being personally targetted, but is that really any more appealing?
With me already gone, there's little point in going after them, especially if I die of old age and my wife is an old lady and my children are already grown up. I considered this, but I think the risk is low enough. I'd also arrange something so that they find out first and know what's coming--probably tell them while I'm still alive.

A wife and kids, by the way, is an excellent reason not to release it while I'm alive. Even better than killing me might be threatening or even kidnapping them to force me to recant.
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RedImperator wrote:
Zero132132 wrote:
RedImperator wrote:If this fact worked as advertised, I'd write down multiple copies, place them somewhere safe, and immediately write a will that specifies that the contents be published after my death. The idea of spending the rest of my life a target for everyone whose fortune, political power, or worldview was upended by me personally is not appealing.
If you have any children, or even close friends or a wife, they might become targets upon your death. It's not as likely as you being personally targetted, but is that really any more appealing?
With me already gone, there's little point in going after them, especially if I die of old age and my wife is an old lady and my children are already grown up. I considered this, but I think the risk is low enough. I'd also arrange something so that they find out first and know what's coming--probably tell them while I'm still alive.

A wife and kids, by the way, is an excellent reason not to release it while I'm alive. Even better than killing me might be threatening or even kidnapping them to force me to recant.
I agree completely, although the premise of the hypothetical was that the evidence was entirely undeniable, so the only people you'd have to fear anything from would be people who lose tangible benefits because of the loss of religion. Releasing it after your death is the best way, though, I'll admit.
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Darth Wong wrote:I think you're being silly here; it's hardly difficult to preserve your anonymity when you're doing something as simple as posting notes downtown. Wear nondescript clothing and a baseball cap, and then post it. If you're really worried, do it in the evening.

People downtown don't rush to see what people post on the walls, nor do they make a note of peoples' faces when it's being done.
There is still his DNA on the piece of paper and a raving fundie won't care if he was the one who started the thing or one of its propagators.
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Since I oppose religion, and I have no children or wife to be kidnapped, I would try to do it as soon as my parents die, and do it with no remorse and no fear for my life - whatever the consequences for me, this is a world-class event. I only hope I'd be strong enough to do it fearlessly.
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At the moment, I don't have a husband or kids, so I don't think I'd have that particular problem.

I think I'd release it, although I'm not sure how. If it was a fact of a scientific nature, and I had my Ph.D. in physics (which I'd really like to get one day), I'd publish it in a scientific journal. Otherwise I'd attempt to get it published in a newspaper. It's just so mind-blowingly important that I couldn't not share it.
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I'd do it. And cheerfully so. But only after I acquire and stock a hermitage deep in the Alaskan wilderness.
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Darth Servo wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:I think you're being silly here; it's hardly difficult to preserve your anonymity when you're doing something as simple as posting notes downtown. Wear nondescript clothing and a baseball cap, and then post it. If you're really worried, do it in the evening.

People downtown don't rush to see what people post on the walls, nor do they make a note of peoples' faces when it's being done.
There is still his DNA on the piece of paper and a raving fundie won't care if he was the one who started the thing or one of its propagators.
Even if their was a single paper so damning that it made everyone in the world stop believing (that would be one hell of a post-it-note) it's likely that it would have been touched etc. by so many people that its original poster wouldn't be able to be identified. And as others said for this to become global the contents of the paper would have to be copied which further would make it difficult to ascertain who provided this evidence. It would just pass through the hands of too many people.
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