Creationists and Cavemen

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-05-22 07:21pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:Wouldn't you get a more accurate impression of what creationist believed by asking actual creationist? I'm sure there's plenty of places out there where you can do just that.

Except that creationists generally avoid stating their position in plain English. On some level they know it sounds absurd, so they tend to obfuscate and distract until you need an electron microscope to pick through their bullshit and identify what they're actually saying. The most common rhetorical trick is to surround each piece of their argument with at least a half-dozen attacks on the morals and trustworthiness of the scientific community.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2006-05-22 11:53pm

You don't have to ask the career creationist, just one of their lay people. I wouldn't underestimate the creationist ability to surprise us with previously unfathomable stupidity. Dr Dino anyone?

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2006-05-22 11:53pm

Rye wrote:I think they would say that cavemen existed, but they are much younger than they appear; like after Adam and Eve were thrown out of the garden, they and their offspring lived in caves, and all the different types of human are just deformed humans or apes (or hoaxes), but never an intermediary form.

The kind of YECs I deal with believe, instead, that those in Biblical times were far taller than us (8 to 10 feet) and lived longer than we do today. That we, as a species, are getting shorter over time. The irony being, of course, that it flies exactly opposite to what continues to be found all over the world. It's just nuts.

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2006-05-23 04:35am

When I first saw this thread I thought it would be comparing creationists to cavemen

Covenant · Post by **Covenant** » 2006-05-23 05:37am

OmegaGuy wrote:When I first saw this thread I thought it would be comparing creationists to cavemen

That would be an affront to our intelligent toolmaker ancestors. The creationists were in the back of the cave waiting for god to bring them fire while the rest of our ancestors were out there clubbing things and looking for kindling. They've probably been a drag on progress ever since day one--benefitting from the products of intelligence, eating the food, and complaining about the good old days.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2006-05-23 07:20am

Back then, the Creationist was the really old pack member who could no longer have any contributions to the group, but pretended to be of significance by praying to the wind and lightning for mercy.

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2006-05-23 10:11am

On the subject of dinosaurs. One of my friends had a conversation with someone a few months ago where it came out that said person believed that dinosaurs had never existed and fossils were just oddly shaped rocks placed there by Satan to confuse and tempt us away from God. When I heard this my jaw was hanging for about a good half minute while my mind caught up with the stupidity.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2006-05-23 12:19pm

The idea that all dinosaur fossils are put there simply as a practical joke to get a small number of paleontologists all flustered is not an uncommon one, as brainbendingly stupid as it sounds...

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-05-23 06:12pm

Vendetta wrote:The idea that all dinosaur fossils are put there simply as a practical joke to get a small number of paleontologists all flustered is not an uncommon one, as brainbendingly stupid as it sounds...

Ah yes, "the evidence was planted". Creationists usually act annoyed when you refer to this as the Johnnie Cochrane defense.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2006-05-23 08:18pm

Surely if there were a god we would hear some kind of heavenly sniggering at how well this one is turning out?

wilfulton · Post by **wilfulton** » 2006-05-23 10:39pm

Lord Zentei wrote:
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Not enough room in the Ark, I guess. As for plesiosaurs, et. al. I haven't a clue.

From the firmament breaking apart, and all that mass falling back to earth, the KE exchange heated the ocean to boiling, cooking the poor plesiosaurs. Noah's ark was saved by a miracle.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2006-05-23 10:43pm

Darth Wong wrote:Ah yes, "the evidence was planted". Creationists usually act annoyed when you refer to this as the Johnnie Cochrane defense.

Chewbacca was a caveman?

That doesn't fit.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2006-05-23 10:45pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Vendetta wrote:The idea that all dinosaur fossils are put there simply as a practical joke to get a small number of paleontologists all flustered is not an uncommon one, as brainbendingly stupid as it sounds...
Ah yes, "the evidence was planted". Creationists usually act annoyed when you refer to this as the Johnnie Cochrane defense.

I wonder what they think civilizations there break the 6,000 year mark.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2006-05-24 01:40am

Admiral Johnason wrote:I wonder what they think civilizations there break the 6,000 year mark.

That's okay. Their supervisors have authorized them to allow you as much as 12,000 years of prehistory! You have to haggle with them a bit, though.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2006-05-24 03:06am

Darth Raptor wrote:
Admiral Johnason wrote:I wonder what they think civilizations there break the 6,000 year mark.
That's okay. Their supervisors have authorized them to allow you as much as 12,000 years of prehistory! You have to haggle with them a bit, though.

So there were cities that just sat in the nothing and the dead were burried in nothing and they made war in noting. Must have been a great real estate market.

I get really pissed at the creationist. They say that I am dammed for no other reason than I don't consider the first half of Genesis canon (It should still remain in the Bible, but remain at the level of parable, same as Revelations (which I also think is bull.)) I always come back with "If God is as loving and generous as Jesus protrays him, then why should he care about the first five minutes of the movie instead of teh climax." Then they respond, "God is not a God of love and peace." That's when I point out how they are wrong and in serious trouble when they call Jesus a lier walk away before They start screaming.

Rocker5150 · Post by **Rocker5150** » 2006-05-25 04:01am

My friend once told me that his wife didn't believe in dinosaurs at all. Something about a hoax.... I made a few comments, but kind of blew it off as if it was a joke. Later I found out that she graduated from Jerry Falwell's Liberty University! When I learned that, I had to bring up the dinosaur conversation from earlier. He defended her, but after my relentless questioning said she probably meant that man and dino lived at the same time. The dating is all wrong, etc... He is a bit of a creationist, but knows better than to claim fossils are not real.

As long as we have idiot-mills posing as real universities, there will continue to be people who believe this nonsense. I almost fell out of my chair the other night when O'Reilly praised Falwell's clown college. How many of the 'graduates' feel ripped off and cheated years later when they make such statements and the room goes silent?

-Kevin

mr friendly guy · Post by **mr friendly guy** » 2006-05-25 04:31am

Rocker5150 wrote:My friend once told me that his wife didn't believe in dinosaurs at all. Something about a hoax.... I made a few comments, but kind of blew it off as if it was a joke. Later I found out that she graduated from Jerry Falwell's Liberty University!

Who recognises qualifications from such a university besides other Creationist nutjobs?

Creationists giving themselves science degrees in creation science is like star trek fans giving themselves science degrees for star trek physics.