Box Office results - Day One.

C.S.Strowbridge · Post by **C.S.Strowbridge** » 2002-12-14 02:24pm

The Numbers is reporting Nemesis made $7.6 million on friday, which should translate into a $23 million dollar weekend. Which mean Nemesis should make close to the $70 million domestic box office we predicted.

However, its friday is almost $1.5 million less than Insurrection's, using that infromation we get a total B.O. of only 58 million. That would be the lowest B.O. since ST:V (only $52 million) and that doesn't take into account inflation.

Of course it's early, but it doesn't look good for Star Trek.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-14 04:29pm

Out of curiosity, how much did the movie cost to make?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-14 04:31pm

IMDB says $70 million.

What's weird is that it also says the film was finished for months before the release, I think.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-14 04:32pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:IMDB says $70 million.

So, right now it looks like they'll break even at best.

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2002-12-14 05:40pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:IMDB says $70 million.

What's weird is that it also says the film was finished for months before the release, I think.

Yeah, I think B&B are trying to kill the TNG movies so they can move on. Seriously only an idiot would want to release a film not even a full week before LOTR.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-14 05:53pm

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:IMDB says $70 million.

What's weird is that it also says the film was finished for months before the release, I think.
Yeah, I think B&B are trying to kill the TNG movies so they can move on. Seriously only an idiot would want to release a film not even a full week before LOTR.

At least if they had released it just after "Die Another Day," the movie would have stood a chance. As it is, it was dead in the water before they even released it.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2002-12-14 06:19pm

As many here would say, this is B&B we're talking about. As human beings, they are incomprehendable.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-12-14 06:23pm

Maybe they're trying to rig the books and make out like bandits on a movie that fails, ala 'The Producers'

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-12-14 06:34pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:IMDB says $70 million.
So, right now it looks like they'll break even at best.

Nope, they will make mondo money on the film. DVD sales have become a big part of money making. Pearl Harbor was shit for sales in the theater, but DVD sales soared it well into the profit range. If they break even on the box office, they will make nothing but profits on the DVD sales.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-14 06:39pm

You're assuming that people will buy a lot of the DVDs.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-14 06:41pm

Alyeska wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:IMDB says $70 million.
So, right now it looks like they'll break even at best.
Nope, they will make mondo money on the film. DVD sales have become a big part of money making. Pearl Harbor was shit for sales in the theater, but DVD sales soared it well into the profit range. If they break even on the box office, they will make nothing but profits on the DVD sales.

Not really. Not all the money from the box office goes to the film-makers. Much of it goes to theaters, developers, and other groups. It is generally understood that a movie will make about as much money as it does in the box-office figures with total sales. However, this formula is seriously flawed for movies like ST:Nemesis, which also make substantial profits off of merchandising. I'm not really sure how much money Nemesis plans to make, but it seems clear that this is not a particularly strong movie-investment. Its poor opening weekend sales are particularly disturbing for movie-producers because most of the money made in the first week or two by a film goes to them. In subsequent weeks, most of the money actually goes to the theaters.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2002-12-14 07:02pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:You're assuming that people will buy a lot of the DVDs.

You're assuming that there are no significant numbers of lifeless fanatics of Star Trek out there, and that the average Star Trek fan is a discriminating type with a heavy-handed approach to deciding whether they like or dislike material.

Most of the people that I know that like Star Trek (these aren't total fanatics, they're overall normal people) don't really have much of a "well this movie ruled all the rest" attitude, or talk about the flawed themes and logic in TNG episodes. They just like it, it's entertaining. While you're not going to get the legions of the General Public(tm), you're still going to get a lot of simple-minded folk who like Star Trek and think the latest movie was fun to watch, and whom didn't really see the gaping flaws everyone here (i.e. Master of Ossus) is screaming about.

Will the simple-minded low-grade Trekkers be enough to pull in the Big Bucks(tm)? Probably not, but they're out there in bigger force than one might expect, and to write off Nemesis as a complete failure is premature at this point.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-14 07:04pm

Uraniun235 wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:You're assuming that people will buy a lot of the DVDs.
You're assuming that there are no significant numbers of lifeless fanatics of Star Trek out there.

Yeah. There will be legions of people buying DVD's. In fact, ironically DVD sales may go up as the ticket sales go down. More fans will come out of the woodworks if it seems clear that this is indeed the last TNG movie.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-12-14 07:04pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:You're assuming that people will buy a lot of the DVDs.

Its almost a given. Scifi movies invariably do quite well on the home video market. Spiderman made double the money on its DVD opening weekened then it did the box office opening weekend.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-14 07:05pm

You realise that is does depend a lot on the film, don't you?

People don't buy crappy films.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-12-14 07:06pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:You realise that is does depend a lot on the film, don't you?

People don't buy crappy films.

(points to Pearl Harbor figures)

You would be surprised...

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-14 07:08pm

PH doesn't surprise me, as it had two of the best DVD releases of the year.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2002-12-14 07:16pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:You realise that is does depend a lot on the film, don't you?

People don't buy crappy films.

Pearl Harbor was crappy. It did well.

Other "crappy" films don't have legions of fanatics going for them.

Not everyone is so discriminating as sci-fi fans who post on an Internet message board.

Oberleutnant · Post by **Oberleutnant** » 2002-12-14 07:20pm

If you ignored the romance part and the fact that Pearl Harbor took many liberties with the way it handled the historical events, it was an enjoyable movie. I doubt that I can say the same thing for Nemesis after I've seen it.

RadiO · Post by **RadiO** » 2002-12-14 07:29pm

Oberleutnant wrote:If you ignored the romance part and the fact that Pearl Harbor took many liberties with the way it handled the historical events, it was an enjoyable movie. I doubt that I can say the same thing for Nemesis after I've seen it.

The thing that got me with Pearl Harbor was... It was less realistic, less intelligent and less meaningful than The Rock. If they'd just eaten crow and put Limp Bizkit on the OST, I wouldn't have minded so much.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2002-12-14 07:37pm

Oberleutnant wrote:If you ignored the romance part and the fact that Pearl Harbor took many liberties with the way it handled the historical events, it was an enjoyable movie. I doubt that I can say the same thing for Nemesis after I've seen it.

The world's smallest violin plays for you.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-14 07:42pm

Oberleutnant wrote:If you ignored the romance part and the fact that Pearl Harbor took many liberties with the way it handled the historical events, it was an enjoyable movie. I doubt that I can say the same thing for Nemesis after I've seen it.

Let's see ... Pearl Harbour was 1/3 shitty historical re-enactment and 2/3 shitty romance. If you ignore the romance and the shitty historical re-enactment, that leaves 0/3 parts good film.

Sorry, but the math says thumbs down

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2002-12-14 07:47pm

Darth Wong wrote: Let's see ... Pearl Harbour was 1/3 shitty historical re-enactment and 2/3 shitty romance. If you ignore the romance and the shitty historical re-enactment, that leaves 0/3 parts good film.

Sorry, but the math says thumbs down

Since the historical re-enactment had lots of big explosions, it is, by definition, good.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-12-14 07:49pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Oberleutnant wrote:If you ignored the romance part and the fact that Pearl Harbor took many liberties with the way it handled the historical events, it was an enjoyable movie. I doubt that I can say the same thing for Nemesis after I've seen it.
Let's see ... Pearl Harbour was 1/3 shitty historical re-enactment and 2/3 shitty romance. If you ignore the romance and the shitty historical re-enactment, that leaves 0/3 parts good film.

Sorry, but the math says thumbs down

The DVD was one of the best DVDs of the year. Not saying the movie was any good, but that is the way it goes.

As such, The DVD of Nemesis would probably only sell well if it has a stellar DVD. We're talking LOTR Extended Edition Super Whammy Edition.

Otherwise it will bomb, barring Trekkie Fan-Whores and Completists.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-12-14 08:07pm

neoolong wrote: As such, The DVD of Nemesis would probably only sell well if it has a stellar DVD. We're talking LOTR Extended Edition Super Whammy Edition.

Otherwise it will bomb, barring Trekkie Fan-Whores and Completists.

[Vader]You don't know the power of rabid-Trekkies[/Vader]

There are more than enough Trekkies out there to at least bolster the Nemesis DVD sales considerably, the question is whether or not they will be enough of a factor to warrant the production of another Trek movie.