For all of those who have read Julian May's Saga of the Exiles and / or her Galactic Milieu Trilogy, how do you think her metapsychics would fare against the Jedi or Sith?
Among the Jedi and Sith, we have:
1. Obi-Wan Kenobi's mysterious disappearing act in "A New Hope".
2. Darth Vader's ability to choke an Imperial Officer who was probably a fair distance away, through all those walls on board the Excelsior in "Empire Strikes Back".
3. Palpatine's implied mass coercion.
4. The spectacular lightning displays of Palpatine, Dooku and Yoda.
5. Everything Yoda has ever done.
Among the Metapsychics, we have:
1. The ability of the strongest Tanu and Firvalug to affect the local weather on a small scale, albeit rather swiftly. They are below masterclass, remember (although Pallol is perhaps on the borderline).
2. The ability of some of the above to generate solid illusions. Similarly powerful humans (Aiken in his early stages) could probably "elasticise" his body to fit through narrow arpetures - this was at least implied in several shape-shifting scenes.
3. Aiken's early ability to incinerate a large amount of timber almost instantly without harming Roegten (Whatever his name was) who was sitting on it. Aiken grew in power from this point onwards.
4. Mercy Rosmar's ability to combine air molecules to create a cauldron full of hot chips, and her later "rainstorm" of real cakes at the Grand Combat.
5. Far too many too list in the time I have. I haven't even touched on the Grand Masters yet.
Jedi / Sith vs Julian May's Metapsychics
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Felice was clearly a towering spike on the graph, daunting even to Marc Remillard. It's also clear that Grand Masters who specialise in the mind-over-matter powers would overwhelm the Jedi in this area. In Julian May's novels, however, the specialization of the power depends on the individual, as well as very "human" factors such as exhaustion and concentration. Some human psychokinetics could fly, some are much better at moving external objects or generating lethal shockwaves.
Dooku's near-instant shearing of a 5-foot-thick column of unknown metallic substance would easily rival the psychocreative mindblasts of Nodonn Battlemaster, and may even be masterclass depending upon the material. Yoda's subsequent levitation of said column - from a distance - would quite possibly surpass Nodonn's psykokinetic power; however, Nodonn could carry 50 tons much further than Yoda carried the column.
There are other areas, though, that would give the Mileau metapsychics pause for thought. Vader's long-distance choking of Admiral Ozzel seems masterclass in its sheer range. Palpatine's control of billions of minds (mentioned elsewhere on these forums) seems almost off the scale. And I'm still not certain regarding the physics of Kenobi's disappearing act.
BTW, the powers of Grand Masters acting in metaconcert seems to increase exponentially when the numbers reach into the thousands, hence the destruction of an entire planetary surface. Greater than the sum of its parts indeed. 6000 Grand Masters in metaconcert (backed up by quite a few mind-magnifying CE rigs) could easily take on one ISD.
Dooku's near-instant shearing of a 5-foot-thick column of unknown metallic substance would easily rival the psychocreative mindblasts of Nodonn Battlemaster, and may even be masterclass depending upon the material. Yoda's subsequent levitation of said column - from a distance - would quite possibly surpass Nodonn's psykokinetic power; however, Nodonn could carry 50 tons much further than Yoda carried the column.
There are other areas, though, that would give the Mileau metapsychics pause for thought. Vader's long-distance choking of Admiral Ozzel seems masterclass in its sheer range. Palpatine's control of billions of minds (mentioned elsewhere on these forums) seems almost off the scale. And I'm still not certain regarding the physics of Kenobi's disappearing act.
BTW, the powers of Grand Masters acting in metaconcert seems to increase exponentially when the numbers reach into the thousands, hence the destruction of an entire planetary surface. Greater than the sum of its parts indeed. 6000 Grand Masters in metaconcert (backed up by quite a few mind-magnifying CE rigs) could easily take on one ISD.
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Too bad most force actions involving TK in the movies are slower than mollasses dripping off a fork in freezing temps. The only speed moves I have seen are the push actions and Maul's tossing a droid head at a door. Vader, Yoda and Dooku certainly had to take their time with columns, masonry, big metal things and X-Wings. In the time it takes them to do that, Nodonn would have pummeled them mercilessly.Rathark wrote:Dooku's near-instant shearing of a 5-foot-thick column of unknown metallic substance would easily rival the psychocreative mindblasts of Nodonn Battlemaster, and may even be masterclass depending upon the material. Yoda's subsequent levitation of said column - from a distance - would quite possibly surpass Nodonn's psykokinetic power; however, Nodonn could carry 50 tons much further than Yoda carried the column.
There are other areas, though, that would give the Mileau metapsychics pause for thought. Vader's long-distance choking of Admiral Ozzel seems masterclass in its sheer range. Palpatine's control of billions of minds (mentioned elsewhere on these forums) seems almost off the scale. And I'm still not certain regarding the physics of Kenobi's disappearing act.
BTW, the powers of Grand Masters acting in metaconcert seems to increase exponentially when the numbers reach into the thousands, hence the destruction of an entire planetary surface. Greater than the sum of its parts indeed. 6000 Grand Masters in metaconcert (backed up by quite a few mind-magnifying CE rigs) could easily take on one ISD..
As far as the ISD thing, witness Marc's destruction of the Krondak fleet and then the Krondak colony world using a huge meta concert and his CE rigs. With that power, he could toss the Death star around.
And if that ain't enough , how bout a Hundred Super Masterclass Fetus Hydra acting in concert? With CE rigs?
And then, what about the Lymlik? They can create fully functional human bodies complete with working reproductive systems out of the thin air, (or at least Atoning Unifex could). They are more subtle but rearrangement of atoms seems to be no issue to them, even daresay, Nuetronium. Really even Jack the Bodiless could do that.
The Tannu and Firvulag are the lightweights of the Julian May stories. They could own the Jedi in the Arena, if you included their masterclass Stalwarts.
Are stalwarts (Nodonn, Kuhal, Pallol, Sharn-Mes etc) masterclass in in raw power? I recall "masterclass" being a Milieu term denoting training as well as power, with "Grand Masterclass" being the next stage. Grand Masters at least were daunting to the Tanu, hence the High Table's fearful reaction to the presence of Elizabeth Orme. The stalwarts of the Tanu and Firvalug certainly had advantages given their superhuman lifespan and military experience. Actual flying seemed to be more common among the Tanu than the humans, largely because the Ocala Grand Masters and their children focused their PK (a rare specialty) in other areas (this in itself reflecting the more sophisticated priorities of the Milieu).
Obviously, the masterclass PKs and Creators would cream most of the Jedi, although Jedi would have a resistence to all but the strongest coercion, redaction and farsense mindprobing.
And if the acklay was a bit daunting for Obi-Wan, then one of the stronger shape-shifting Firvalug would send him to the laundry.
Obviously, the masterclass PKs and Creators would cream most of the Jedi, although Jedi would have a resistence to all but the strongest coercion, redaction and farsense mindprobing.
And if the acklay was a bit daunting for Obi-Wan, then one of the stronger shape-shifting Firvalug would send him to the laundry.