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Alyeska wrote:I shouldn't have to pick between the two.
Whine whine whine. PICK.
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Fuck off Shep
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Alyeska wrote:Fuck off Shep
What a brilliant response! The matter of the fact is, this is how things are done, and what you're doing is whining like a petulant child.
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"Thats how things are done" is a bullshit response and doesn't actualy address the issue that canadites can be elected into office in the primary election and voting for them is restricted to a single party. That in itself is bullshit and a violation of the demoractic process.

You of course haven't added shit to this thread other then act like an arrogant stuck up prick. So take your attitude and go shove it up your ass.
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Alyeska wrote: That in itself is bullshit and a violation of the demoractic process.
It's not a "violation of the democratic process" if one of the parties doesn't care enough about the election to field at least one candidate.
You of course haven't added shit to this thread other then act like an arrogant stuck up prick.
No, you're the one who has been whining all along that you can't vote in both parties' primaries and how unfair that is. It's not unfair, it's a deliberate decision to prevent one party from messing over the other party by getting a weak candidate elected. This design decision has been upheld by SCOTUS.
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And that has fuck all to do with elected positions that have absolutely nothing to do with politics.

Yes, I feel so fucking thrilled that the democrats could put someone with absolutely no experience as a law enforcement offical so I can have a choice to vote for someone who is shitty while I can't actualy vote for a canadite ON THE FUCKING BALET who is from the other party and has 20+ years of law enforcement experience.

Some choice.

I also notice how you essentialy gloss over the fact that the system allows one party to decide the entire election months in advance and disalow a proper voice of the people. But feel free to continue acting like an ass in the thread.
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Alyeska wrote:And that has fuck all to do with elected positions that have absolutely nothing to do with politics.
They're elected positions, so they have something to do with politics, your bleating notwithstanding.
Yes, I feel so fucking thrilled that the democrats could put someone with absolutely no experience as a law enforcement offical so I can have a choice to vote for someone who is shitty while I can't actualy vote for a canadite ON THE FUCKING BALET who is from the other party and has 20+ years of law enforcement experience.
Oh, but you can vote for the candidate on the ballot with 20+ years of experience. Simply put your party affiliation as (R), and vote for him in the Republican Primary.

Then when the General Election rolls around, vote for whoever is the (D) candidate opposing Conrad Burns.
I also notice how you essentialy gloss over the fact that the system allows one party to decide the entire election months in advance and disalow a proper voice of the people. But feel free to continue acting like an ass in the thread.
No, it's you who is acting like an ass; demanding that the laws and rules be changed to fit your whims. If you want to blame someone for this "fucked up" system, blame your state democratic committee for being so incompetent they can't even field candidates in several slots.
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Why the fuck would I want the Democrats to field a canadtie when the god damned canadite that I want is on the Republican ticket?

In the very least they need to remove the party affilation aspect like they did with the elected judges. Everyone got to vote the same people for the judges, it should be the same way with the Sherrif.
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There seems to be some confusion over terminology.
A 'Closed' primary is open only to party members.
An 'Open' primary is one in which any person can vote in, but they have to declare a party affiliation in order to get a ballot and that ballot is limited to races in the party you declared for.
Montana's primary system *is* an open primary system.
So is Indiana's. In 2004 I declared myself as a Democrat in order to vote for Howard Dean. In this year's city/county elections I declared myself a Repub in order to keep the party boss backed asshat running for Sheriff off of the November ballot. Apparently a lot of people agreed with me as he lost. :lol:

Apparently what Aleyska wants is a 'Blanket' primary system in which all candidates from all parties are listed on a single ballot and you don't have to declare a party affiliation in order to vote.

And like I posted earlier, SCOTUS says blanket primaries are illegal.
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So why not put *all* the candidates on a ticket that *anyone* can vote on, regardless of affiliation ? It's only three or four candidates. What's the point of the primary, anyway ?
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Alyeska wrote:I absolutely despise how the primaries are run in my state. You can either vote in the Democrat or Republican primaries. Not both. Some would say "whats the problem, you get to pick." The problem is compounded by living in a more rural area as compared to the rest of the country.

Right now fuckface Conrad Burns is up for election and is considered the most vulnerable Repubican senator up for reelection thanks to Abramof being his buddy. So I naturaly want to vote in the Democratic primary to pick a good counter canadite.

However, there are 3 Republican canadites for Sherrif and absolutely no Democratic canadite. One of the Sherrif canadites is a fucking ass with no law enforcement experience, questionable morality, and thinks that the Sherrif should be a political position. The other two canadites have 20 years appeace in law enforcement and both currently work for the Sherrifs office. So I want to vote to make sure the asshole canadite won't get voted in. However, because there is no Democratic canadite, whoever wins the primary is the defacto winner.

I can't vote in both primaries. Fucking absurd.
Conrad Burns huh so you are in Montana to. I knew I fogot something my absent ballot so I could vote against him.
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Bounty wrote:So why not put *all* the candidates on a ticket that *anyone* can vote on, regardless of affiliation ? It's only three or four candidates. What's the point of the primary, anyway ?
The primary election is for members or supporters of a particular political party to choose that party's candidate slate for the general election in November.

Think back to the 2004 primaries where the Democrats voted for Kerry to be their party's nominee to run against GWB.
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