Which Gundam series is worth watching?

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2006-06-07 02:07pm

If you had seen 0079 first, you would be really pissed right now.
Oh, and is Kira banging Frey yet, because that is in all likelyhood one of the few high points of the series. When you get done with the rest, post again, and look at my complaints and throw in your own. Lets turn this into a total sucky gundam bitchfest!

Ryushikaze · Post by **Ryushikaze** » 2006-06-08 09:11pm

Grasscutter wrote:5 is an alternate take on some of the events in Char's Counterattack, and I actually prefer it to the original telling.

It's the version from Beltochika's children, and is apparently the official version of events, now.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2006-06-08 09:31pm

Quess survivng is canon now? Damnit, she has to die! This is Gundam, everyone must die!

Post by **Kuja** » 2006-06-08 09:34pm

Quess? Lives? WTFbitch?!

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2006-06-08 09:41pm

Quess has to die because Chein dies because of Hathaway! Chein has to dies because then the magic T gets to save the Earth!

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2006-06-08 09:45pm

Wait, what?!

God damn it, I liked that episodes of Gundam Evolve as a nice alternate thing, actually I really liked it, but to declare it official and supercede the film is just absurd.

Damn it, more and more I'm liking Tomino back when he was depressed...

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2006-06-08 09:53pm

It is often said that as soon as Tomino breathes his last breat, Bandai will have promotions ready for the return of Amuro and Char.

ZShade · Post by **ZShade** » 2006-06-08 09:59pm

I dunno, with the changes in Zeta, and apparently Quess not dying like she should, Tomino might have become happy enough to resurrect them himself.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2006-06-08 10:01pm

They could always animated Hathaway's Flash. Pretty Char clone! That'd give them a reason for a Master Grade Xi Gundam.

ZShade · Post by **ZShade** » 2006-06-08 10:04pm

Or they could just animate Gaia Gear, and bring forth the Char memory clone.

I'd prefer they'd animate Crossbone Gundam. Pirate Gundams, arrrrrr.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2006-06-08 10:06pm

I'd like to see For the Barrel brought over, mainly because that property seems to be such a complete and total mystery on this side of the Pacific...

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2006-06-08 10:10pm

Oops. I mixed up Hathaway's Flash with Gaia Gear. That's the one with the Char memory clone, right?

ZShade · Post by **ZShade** » 2006-06-08 10:18pm

Yep, and Gaia Gear is a Zeta-ish machine.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2006-06-08 10:44pm

The Gaia Gear is a beautiful giant core fighter.

Shadowhawk · Post by **Shadowhawk** » 2006-06-10 02:01am

Grasscutter wrote:There's nothing remotely shiny about the SEED mech designs, they're hideous. And they JUST KEEP COMING. Have you been to the Destiny section at mahq.com? Each side of the conflict has a million different Gundams with stupid names like "Infinite Justice Gundam" and "Legend Gundam". And this is supposed to be one of the "gritty and realistic" Gundam universes...

The original Wing designs at least had that super-robot charm, and the Katoki redesigns are really elegant. With the exception of the ASTRAY Gundams, the SEED stuff all look like fan-wank creations or bad parody.

Hey, my Perfect Grade Aile Strike Gundam looks pretty damned slick.

And the mechanics are amazing. I hope future PG kits benefit from it.

But, yeah, most of the designs in SEED, especially in Destiny, sucked. Overboard doesn't begin to describe it. It was a more transparent ploy to sell toys than anything else I've seen. I doubt even post-popularity Pokemon and Yugioh was that bad.

Battlehymn Republic · Post by **Battlehymn Republic** » 2006-06-10 04:01am

In some ways I believe that Gundam Wing's storyline was so bad it was somewhat good, and not so much stupid as surreal.

Gustavius · Post by **Gustavius** » 2006-06-12 02:54pm

0083 is not that bad all considered. Delaz is an interesting character, and he is a good strategists even if fanaticism to his own cause makes him blind to the possibility of betrayal from his own ranks (*cough*Garahau is a bitch*cough*). Plus 0083 is essential for setting the stage for the rise of the first and second Neo Zeon movements. Harman picks of the pieces that Delaz left behind and uses them quite well, and without her it is doubtful that Char's own Neo Zeon movement would have been as powerful as it was.

Plus it is nice to see the Federation get smacked around like it deserves to be. Overall the Federation is not the "good guy" act in the series. There are "good guys" in it, but mostly it is just a bloated, greedy bureaucracy. And it is always good to see the Federation get smacked around with its own weaponry for being arrogant enough to think they could violate the Antarctic Treaty with impunity.

Shadowhawk · Post by **Shadowhawk** » 2006-06-13 02:24am

Gustavius wrote:Plus it is nice to see the Federation get smacked around like it deserves to be. Overall the Federation is not the "good guy" act in the series. There are "good guys" in it, but mostly it is just a bloated, greedy bureaucracy. And it is always good to see the Federation get smacked around with its own weaponry for being arrogant enough to think they could violate the Antarctic Treaty with impunity.

One of the things I like most about Gundam is that there typically aren't defined 'bad guys' in the series. Apart from the primary cast, there usually aren't any good guys, either. The 'Good Guys' that start off the series (the Federation, Titans, Earth Alliance, the guys who commissioned the Gundams in Gundam Wing), and who the primary cast tend to be fighting for (and usually with their hardware), pretty much always turn out to be just as, if not more evil than Zeon/ZAFT/EarthSphere/Oz (nukes, poison gas, colony drops). 0080 really exemplifies this. Who do you root for? The Federation, who are breaking a treaty and endangering a colony, or the Zeon, who attacked and smuggled in weapons on the suspicion of treaty breaking?

It's gotten worse as the years go by, with the badguys becoming more defined (the genocidal war against non-coordinators, for example. I don't remember the Zeon calling for the the eradication of non-Newtypes, but then I haven't watched the series in a while).

Xess · Post by **Xess** » 2006-06-13 04:26am

I haven't seen any UC Gundam due to my not being able to find it anywhere without purchasing it outright, and I'm not one to spend a hundred bucks on something I haven't even seen a few minutes of. But it is something on my list.

I however actually don't mind Wing and Seed, hell I'll even go so far to say I enjoy Wing and Seed. Yes I know they have extremely large flaws, but hell I still like em. Wing because it's like watching a train wreck in slow motion and Seed because I think its fun popcorn TV.

That probably puts me in the minority around here, of course I don't particularily mind that.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2006-06-13 09:42am

Xess wrote:I haven't seen any UC Gundam due to my not being able to find it anywhere without purchasing it outright, and I'm not one to spend a hundred bucks on something I haven't even seen a few minutes of. But it is something on my list.

I however actually don't mind Wing and Seed, hell I'll even go so far to say I enjoy Wing and Seed. Yes I know they have extremely large flaws, but hell I still like em. Wing because it's like watching a train wreck in slow motion and Seed because I think its fun popcorn TV.

That probably puts me in the minority around here, of course I don't particularily mind that.

If nothing else, watch Char's Counterattack. It's one of the pinnacles of Gundam movies, and puts to shame anything Wing of Seed have ever done. I'd dare say that going so far as to purchase it will not be a waste of time or money.

Xess · Post by **Xess** » 2006-06-13 09:55am

General Zod wrote:If nothing else, watch Char's Counterattack. It's one of the pinnacles of Gundam movies, and puts to shame anything Wing of Seed have ever done. I'd dare say that going so far as to purchase it will not be a waste of time or money.

Indeed, but I'm a completist. I want to watch the preceding movies first.

However I have no doubts that the UC Gundams will become my favorite once I have seen them. But I also don't think that will make me hate Wing or Seed with the same fervor as some people. Very rarely does my finding something new to enjoy make me enjoy the old any less.

Grasscutter · Post by **Grasscutter** » 2006-06-13 10:57am

VF5SS wrote:Quess has to die because Chein dies because of Hathaway! Chein has to dies because then the magic T gets to save the Earth!

On one hand, I like happy endings and it supports Amuro's belief that humanity has the potential to be good and is worth saving.

On the other hand, you're right — it screws up the continuity. Besides messing with the events that lead to the Magic T, what's going to cause Hathaway to hate the Federation and lead into Hathaway's Flash?

Shadowhawk wrote: Hey, my Perfect Grade Aile Strike Gundam looks pretty damned slick.

And the mechanics are amazing. I hope future PG kits benefit from it.

You're right, the Strike Gundam is a beautiful machine. I'll amend my statement to say that all the SEED mechs that weren't designed by Kunio Okawara are pretty slick. They're unfortunately a tiny island of coolness in a vast ocean of crap.

Ryushikaze · Post by **Ryushikaze** » 2006-06-13 11:15am

Quess has to die because Chein dies because of Hathaway! Chein has to dies because then the magic T gets to save the Earth!

On one hand, I like happy endings and it supports Amuro's belief that humanity has the potential to be good and is worth saving.

On the other hand, you're right — it screws up the continuity. Besides messing with the events that lead to the Magic T, what's going to cause Hathaway to hate the Federation and lead into Hathaway's Flash?

It's not just that one sequence that's different in Beltochika. I think Chen dies in another manner, and to be honest, there's a lot in the federation for Hathaway to hate it.[/quote]

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2006-06-14 07:21pm

Man I hate the whole, "You must be this much of a bastard to join the Earth Federation Forces!" With MS Igloo, the whole concept has basically become a parody of itself. To the point where Federation officers are shown as being ruthless and goddamn stupid at the same time. I swear the last episode of Igloo goes like this:

"Har har! It's the Zudah! You suck!"

"I runz away in my Zudah!"

"WTF? You can't stop GMs, noob! ZOMG!! We explode!"

"I'm better than GMs, I explode with Aryan honor!"

Commander 598 · Post by **Commander 598** » 2006-06-14 09:01pm

If I recall, Zimmad's EMS-04 Zudah first went up against Zeonic's MS-05 Zaku I for production Pre-OYW, and it lost...

The whole EMS-10 project was nothing other than a propaganda ploy. At this point(Odessa), Zeon had for all effective purposes lost the war on Earth. The EMS-10 was an attempt to bolster they're own forces and intimidate the Feds. It may have also been a way to divert attention away from other projects like the Dom and Gelgoog. The episode's extra seems to believe that Zeonic leaked the information on 04...

Also, we've seen Feds act like that in most of the other series too. Seems as neutral as always to me.