Musings on ways to get rid AIDS/HIV

[Plekhanov]

Quarentine anyone who tests positives for STDs and wait for them to die off.

There some major problems with your proposal. And if you want to figure out what it is, try looking up the terms "false posetive" and particularly "false negative".

So: inhumane, destructive and without point.

Thats where the balancing act comes into play. When does the good of society out-weigh the rights of an individual? Was not quarantine a major component in the eradication of small pox? When we do find a false positive, they could be detained until its determined that the positive was in fact false.

But tell us, what is destructive about this? We aren't talking about putting the people into concentration camps. Quarantine in good hospice facilities where they can be cared for.

You do realise that Vodka Vindicator said “quarentine (sic) anyone who tests positives for STDs and wait for them to die off” right? Not just HIV but all STIs what possible justification could there be for quarantining somebody for the rest of their life simply for contracting chlamydia?

Besides even if quarantining large numbers people may have been justified back when we didn’t know any other method of controlling infectious diseases this is no longer the case.

[Lord Zentei]

Thats where the balancing act comes into play. When does the good of society out-weigh the rights of an individual? Was not quarantine a major component in the eradication of small pox? When we do find a false positive, they could be detained until its determined that the positive was in fact false.

But tell us, what is destructive about this? We aren't talking about putting the people into concentration camps. Quarantine in good hospice facilities where they can be cared for.

Plekhanov has already made a good answer of this. But even disregarding placing HIV posetives in de-facto ghettoes for life you neglected to consider the "flase negative" angle I mentioned. False negatives are results that indicate that a person is not infected whereas (s)he actually is. Since no test is ever perfect (there are always false posetives and false negatives) there will be infected people at large despite these measures. Hence my argument that the plan presented is "with little point".

[Darth Servo]

Plekhanov has already made a good answer of this. But even disregarding placing HIV posetives in de-facto ghettoes for life you neglected to consider the "flase negative" angle I mentioned. False negatives are results that indicate that a person is not infected whereas (s)he actually is. Since no test is ever perfect (there are always false posetives and false negatives) there will be infected people at large despite these measures. Hence my argument that the plan presented is "with little point".

The whole false negetave angle is a big black and white fallacy. So the test doesn't show everyone who is infected. It can still eliminate the vast majority of cases and would you deny that removing say 90% of HIV+ cases from the sexually active/drug using population would at the very least slow down the spread? The REAL problem with the quarantine suggestion is that it would probably frighten away many people from getting tested in the first place.

[Nova Andromeda]

--I notice noone has addressed my proposal of a gov. funded database of voluntary STD test results. Instead people only seem interested in talking about much more draconian solutions....

[PainRack]

The whole false negetave angle is a big black and white fallacy. So the test doesn't show everyone who is infected. It can still eliminate the vast majority of cases and would you deny that removing say 90% of HIV+ cases from the sexually active/drug using population would at the very least slow down the spread? The REAL problem with the quarantine suggestion is that it would probably frighten away many people from getting tested in the first place.

Except that people infected with HIV can still actively contribute to society until they reach the final stages of AIDs.

You're essentially asking for the jailing off of a significant portion of a nation populace. And for what?

Isn't the aim of palliative treatment to let the person live as normal a life as possible anyway?

[Lord Zentei]

Plekhanov has already made a good answer of this. But even disregarding placing HIV posetives in de-facto ghettoes for life you neglected to consider the "flase negative" angle I mentioned. False negatives are results that indicate that a person is not infected whereas (s)he actually is. Since no test is ever perfect (there are always false posetives and false negatives) there will be infected people at large despite these measures. Hence my argument that the plan presented is "with little point".

The whole false negetave angle is a big black and white fallacy. So the test doesn't show everyone who is infected. It can still eliminate the vast majority of cases and would you deny that removing say 90% of HIV+ cases from the sexually active/drug using population would at the very least slow down the spread? The REAL problem with the quarantine suggestion is that it would probably frighten away many people from getting tested in the first place.

It is not a black/white fallacy if it is meant to get rid of HIV/AIDS. The "scaring away" angle only makes it worse.