Ever just get tired of debating Fundie tards?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-06-17 10:02am

If you've ever had the dubious pleasure of conversing with a real mentally retarded person, creationist behaviour will sound familiar. Mentally handicapped people generally think they're smarter than they really are, and if you get into an argument with one who's arrogant enough to think he can contradict a normal-intelligence person, it's virtually impossible to win because they don't understand what the fuck you're saying. It's like there's a translator in their minds which converts everything you say into RetardSpeak, and butchers the meaning in the process.

Case in point: back when Rebecca was entertaining notions of becoming a teacher someday, she was volunteering at a school and tutoring a mentally retarded teenager in basic arithmetic. One day he asked if she'd like to go out with him, and the conversation went something like this:

"Do you want to go out with me?"

"Sorry but I'm not really interested."

(unfazed) "Why not?"

(diplomatic) "I already have a boyfriend."

"But he's not here."

That's what it's like when you talk to a retard, and it's very much like that when you talk to creationists. They just don't get what you're saying at all.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » 2006-06-17 01:23pm

Darth Wong wrote:*snip*

I have to admit that I feel like a monster for knowing what you mean. You honestly call it a pleasure to debate people who actually are, by their nature, unable to comprehend most of what you're saying? I mean, sometimes it's just necessary, but I'd never call it fun...[/quote]

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2006-06-17 05:51pm

Zero132132 wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:*snip*
I have to admit that I feel like a monster for knowing what you mean. You honestly call it a pleasure to debate people who actually are, by their nature, unable to comprehend most of what you're saying? I mean, sometimes it's just necessary, but I'd never call it fun...

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Notice how he called it a 'dubious pleasure.' That usually means that it's not fun at all.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2006-06-17 06:08pm

Darth Wong wrote:If you've ever had the dubious pleasure of conversing with a real mentally retarded person, creationist behaviour will sound familiar. Mentally handicapped people generally think they're smarter than they really are, and if you get into an argument with one who's arrogant enough to think he can contradict a normal-intelligence person, it's virtually impossible to win because they don't understand what the fuck you're saying. It's like there's a translator in their minds which converts everything you say into RetardSpeak, and butchers the meaning in the process.

Case in point: back when Rebecca was entertaining notions of becoming a teacher someday, she was volunteering at a school and tutoring a mentally retarded teenager in basic arithmetic. One day he asked if she'd like to go out with him, and the conversation went something like this:

"Do you want to go out with me?"

"Sorry but I'm not really interested."

(unfazed) "Why not?"

(diplomatic) "I already have a boyfriend."

"But he's not here."

That's what it's like when you talk to a retard, and it's very much like that when you talk to creationists. They just don't get what you're saying at all.

I work with people who are often diagnosed as schizophrenic, bipolar, having one or numerous personality disorders, etc., and you know what the one feature is that all of them share? They're all narcissistic as hell. It's true; people who have, for whatever reason, failed to adapt skills like forming healthy relationships, etc., tend to become very arrogant and believe that they're somehow more "correct" than everyone else. They even become defensive about their mental illness.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2006-06-18 09:33am

Superman wrote:They even become defensive about their mental illness.

My experience was they out-right deny they have one.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-06-18 09:39am

Same goes for retards; a lot of them don't seem to realize they're fucking stupid.

Honestly, I don't think it's possible for someone to gauge his own intelligence without outside metrics such as academic achievement. Nobody is ever going to admit to himself that he's stupid.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2006-06-18 09:47am

Darth Servo wrote:
Superman wrote:They even become defensive about their mental illness.
My experience was they out-right deny they have one.

Denial is sort of the number one defense mechanism, but you get people who tend to think that they're somehow more "creative" because of their illnesses too.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2006-06-18 09:53am

Darth Wong wrote:.

Honestly, I don't think it's possible for someone to gauge his own intelligence without outside metrics such as academic achievement. Nobody is ever going to admit to himself that he's stupid.

I completely agree. Even if someone could, they're probably going to be biased without even realizing it.

It's just always amazing to see some people so stuck in their own heads and be arrogant as hell... nevermind the fact that they're 35 and never had sex, still living with their parents, etc., they're still going to argue to the grave that they're right. It's almost like one part of all these illnesses is an inability to see the "bigger picture." That would certainly apply to fundies and their inability to see anything other than their religious BS.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2006-06-18 10:41am

Superman wrote:Denial is sort of the number one defense mechanism, but you get people who tend to think that they're somehow more "creative" because of their illnesses too.

If making mudpies counts as "creative" then I guess I can see their point.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-06-18 02:30pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Superman wrote:Denial is sort of the number one defense mechanism, but you get people who tend to think that they're somehow more "creative" because of their illnesses too.
If making mudpies counts as "creative" then I guess I can see their point.

That's actually a variation of a very common attitude that "too much" education makes you close-minded and inflexible. Religious people use that line of bullshit against scientists all the time.

NoXion · Post by **NoXion** » 2006-06-18 04:24pm

As a sci-fi world-builder, I would say that knowing science (And having an education in general) helps me greatly to make believable and entertaining universes. It doesn't make sense. Where does such an attitude come from?

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2006-06-18 06:04pm

NoXion wrote:As a sci-fi world-builder, I would say that knowing science (And having an education in general) helps me greatly to make believable and entertaining universes. It doesn't make sense. Where does such an attitude come from?

The aforementioned arrogance for a start. For the religious, it also constitutes a denial of anything which implies limits on the power of a supposedly omnipotent god as well as a slap in the face to those lacking the "imagination" required for Faith.

Xess · Post by **Xess** » 2006-06-19 04:12am

Darth Wong wrote:Same goes for retards; a lot of them don't seem to realize they're fucking stupid.

Honestly, I don't think it's possible for someone to gauge his own intelligence without outside metrics such as academic achievement. Nobody is ever going to admit to himself that he's stupid.

I've been diagnosed with Major Depressive Disorder ( doing much better now) and I worry about that a lot actually. I don't want to seem arrogant in my own intelligence since I know that a lot more people are smarter than I am. Hell I only have 1 univeristy course under my belt.

Yet I still feel smarter than a lot of people. Of course I am smarter than some people, since I actually know math. But I never actually want to seem arrogant because I know just how little I know.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2006-06-19 09:17am

outcast wrote:Nothing beats that fundie that told me the dinosaurs were killed by the big bang 6000 years ago though. That was a true wtf moment.

God can do anything, remember? He even beat Hitler.

Sorry, laughed my ass off, and just had to put it somewhere.

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2006-06-19 11:15am

Lagmonster wrote:God can do anything, remember? He even beat Hitler.

Sorry, laughed my ass off, and just had to put it somewhere.

Hilarious, and yet at the same time very sad. It was God who defeated Hitler, not the literal millions of soilders on both the Western AND especially Eastern front who defeated him. How dare they try to take the credit in what was clearly a miricle from God.

It's such an ironic poster too. What with Hitler being a Catholic, you'd think a Rabbi would be in Jesus' place there. Hitler didn't go after Jesus, after all. But then I suppose it wouldn't be Christian.

Yes, that cover certainly has a lot going for it.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-06-19 11:17am

Did you know that the US Government actually produced an official document exonerating Christianity for the actions of Nazism because violence and the persecution of Jews were "doctrinally incompatible" with Christianity?

That sort of thing gives you an idea how religious (and dishonest) Americans were at that time.

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2006-06-19 11:23am

Darth Wong wrote:Did you know that the US Government actually produced an official document exonerating Christianity for the actions of Nazism because violence and the persecution of Jews were "doctrinally incompatible" with Christianity?

That sort of thing gives you an idea how religious (and dishonest) Americans were at that time.

WTF? I had not heard of this. What the hell does the US government have to do with interpreting Christian doctrine?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-06-19 11:28am

Lord Zentei wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Did you know that the US Government actually produced an official document exonerating Christianity for the actions of Nazism because violence and the persecution of Jews were "doctrinally incompatible" with Christianity?

That sort of thing gives you an idea how religious (and dishonest) Americans were at that time.
WTF? I had not heard of this. What the hell does the US government have to do with interpreting Christian doctrine?

It was produced by the OSS (Office of Strategic Services). The document name was "The Nazi Master Plan: Annex 4". It argued that persecution of dissident Christian churches and the use of "doctrinally incompatible" tactics such as violence both proved that Nazism was completely devoid of Christian influence. The fact that the same argument could have been used against Catholicism was (obviously) ignored. But the larger point is the fact that the US government would even bother making such a document at all. Religious apologism is not supposed to be a government function.

SAMAS · Post by **SAMAS** » 2006-06-20 12:05am

CaptJodan wrote:
Lagmonster wrote:God can do anything, remember? He even beat Hitler.

Sorry, laughed my ass off, and just had to put it somewhere.
Hilarious, and yet at the same time very sad. It was God who defeated Hitler, not the literal millions of soilders on both the Western AND especially Eastern front who defeated him. How dare they try to take the credit in what was clearly a miricle from God.

It's such an ironic poster too. What with Hitler being a Catholic, you'd think a Rabbi would be in Jesus' place there. Hitler didn't go after Jesus, after all. But then I suppose it wouldn't be Christian.

Yes, that cover certainly has a lot going for it.

That cover is a fake. Erik Larsen made it for the arc in The Savage Dragon where Dragon got sent to hell, met Spawn, then ended up watching a slugfest between God and the Devil.

It was semi-infamous for a full-page spread where God tells Satan: "Don't Fuck with God!".