CHRISTIANITY HATERS

ZAROVE · Post by **ZAROVE** » 2002-12-15 09:11pm

I note a lot of coments agaisnt christianity, like " if I could go back in time and stop Jesus then no christians yaay"- things along those lines are bogoted statements, rathe rthan logical ones.

I know in your defence you can post things likke " christinity brings evil and destruction" then site stupid arguents about the dark ages, lump everythign that was ever connected with christianity togather, ignore cercumstances and ohilosophies and say " Aha its wvil see" ( Like if oy said hitler was a christian, and thus shows its evil, incedentally he as not.)

fact is, Pagans, nowadays thought of as a tolerent nature based religion, killed christians and each other quietrapidluy.

Atheists ran the soviet Union, and look at the carnage and bloodshed there.

Christianity, as in the philosphy, is far form evil, and Jesus, if you take an honest look, is inspiting.

Yet intead you hate christianity ( dotn say you hate religion, too many comments I have read are geared toward christians, not hindus for instance, IE religionists thing Jesus will come back but he wont and I know I am right")

Hatred of Christianity is pathetic and prevents any truth form comign in. The tiruth abotu what was written, and about people. Not all christians ar eidiots, nor do all reject reason, just as there are irrational and stupid atheists.

The truth is, the Bible is NOT filled with as many inconsistancies as is claied ( I have debunkedfar too many )

The Bible des not teach hatred and predjudice, yet atheists who claim the church is evil do.

Please stop hating christianity, this si not about converting any of you, but abotu resepct, hatred leads to bigotry and oppression.

Atheists can be as amoral and oppressive as they say christians are.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-12-15 09:18pm

Speaking for myself, I have nothing against Christians. I just don't like Christians claiming to be the moral pillar of the world when they are not. I don't like prosletizers(sp?) trying to convert me at odd hours, either. And try to calm down when you type. It makes your posts more understandable.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2002-12-15 09:25pm

I have nothing against Christianity itself. Only the small number of its members who choose to interpret the Bible literally. However, if you look at history, you'll find that religion is the source of a lot of wars. Look at the Israel-Palestine conflict, the Crusades, the Troubles, etc.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-15 09:28pm

ZAROVE wrote:I note a lot of coments agaisnt christianity, like " if I could go back in time and stop Jesus then no christians yaay"- things along those lines are bogoted statements, rathe rthan logical ones.

Yadda yadda yadda. I've heard this bullshit before.

I know in your defence you can post things likke " christinity brings evil and destruction" then site stupid arguents about the dark ages, lump everythign that was ever connected with christianity togather, ignore cercumstances and ohilosophies and say " Aha its wvil see" ( Like if oy said hitler was a christian, and thus shows its evil, incedentally he as not.)

Yes he was, dumb-ass. I've got a whole page about people like you and your attempts to rewrite history. Read Mein Kampf if you want to know what he believed.

fact is, Pagans, nowadays thought of as a tolerent nature based religion, killed christians and each other quietrapidluy.

Interesting how you act as though pagans are all one unified religion. Typical ignoramus.

Atheists ran the soviet Union, and look at the carnage and bloodshed there.

Yes, quite terrible. Instead of replacing God with humanism, they replaced God with the State. Big mistake.

Christianity, as in the philosphy, is far form evil, and Jesus, if you take an honest look, is inspiting.

Read the Bible. It's evil. Christians can be good people if they ignore all of the bad parts of the Bible, but make no mistake: those bad parts are there.

Yet intead you hate christianity ( dotn say you hate religion, too many comments I have read are geared toward christians, not hindus for instance, IE religionists thing Jesus will come back but he wont and I know I am right")

Christianity is the most aggressive expansionist religion over the last two thousand years. How many Buddhist crusades have you heard of? Hindu "manifest destiny"?

Hatred of Christianity is pathetic and prevents any truth form comign in. The tiruth abotu what was written, and about people. Not all christians ar eidiots, nor do all reject reason, just as there are irrational and stupid atheists.

I'm sure there are irrational and stupid atheists too. However, irrational and stupid people tend to be religious, because religion is irrational by its very nature.

The truth is, the Bible is NOT filled with as many inconsistancies as is claied ( I have debunkedfar too many )

You're full of shit. There are dozens of threads on this board about intractable contradictions in the Bible, and you have obviously not bothered to read any of them before posting your ignorant bullshit.

The Bible des not teach hatred and predjudice, yet atheists who claim the church is evil do.

Why? Why is it prejudice to say that a particular institution is evil if it has done evil things and preached evil things?

Please stop hating christianity, this si not about converting any of you, but abotu resepct, hatred leads to bigotry and oppression.

Why is it that when Christians say a "just and righteous God" would torture us all for eternity in Hell, that's OK. But when we saw "The Bible is a worthless piece of trash", that's "hatred"? Is anyone seriously advocating concentration camps for Christians? Removal of basic human rights? Of course not. Christianity, on the other hand, preaches that all of us non-Christians are destined for an eternity of suffering at the hands of one who is supposedly "just, righteous, and mercifull".

Atheists can be as amoral and oppressive as they say christians are.

If they are, it would be due to individual behaviour. Atheists do not have any published doctrine which is inherently bigoted, unlike the Bible.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-12-15 09:32pm

I note a lot of coments agaisnt christianity, like " if I could go back in time and stop Jesus then no christians yaay"- things along those lines are bogoted statements, rathe rthan logical ones.

I know in your defence you can post things likke " christinity brings evil and destruction" then site stupid arguents about the dark ages, lump everythign that was ever connected with christianity togather, ignore cercumstances and ohilosophies and say " Aha its wvil see" ( Like if oy said hitler was a christian, and thus shows its evil, incedentally he as not.)

That's a whole lot of strawman there.

fact is, Pagans, nowadays thought of as a tolerent nature based religion, killed christians and each other quietrapidluy.

Did they kill as many as the Crusades and Inquisitions?

Atheists ran the soviet Union, and look at the carnage and bloodshed there.

But it wasn't in the name of Atheism, it was in the name of Communism. I could easily turn this argument agianst you and say "Christians ran Midevil Europe, and look at what they did".

Yet intead you hate christianity ( dotn say you hate religion, too many comments I have read are geared toward christians, not hindus for instance, IE religionists thing Jesus will come back but he wont and I know I am right")

When did Hindus decide to kill millions in the name of thier gods? Chrsitiantity is mentioned, along with Islam, because both religions have a history of violence. And we don't hate Christians, we just hate the views of fundamentalists.

Hatred of Christianity is pathetic and prevents any truth form comign in. The tiruth abotu what was written, and about people. Not all christians ar eidiots, nor do all reject reason, just as there are irrational and stupid atheists.

Of course there are smart Christians out there. They're the moderate ones, the ones that don't obey Fundies and the Bible mindlessly. Also, can you name some of these "irrational athiests"?

The truth is, the Bible is NOT filled with as many inconsistancies as is claied ( I have debunkedfar too many )

According to the Bible, the earth was flat. According to the Bible, Jesus should have been put to death (The Isrealites were told to put any "false prophets" to death, and since Jesus promised to return to Earth before his disciples died, he must have been a false prophet). The Bible is full of contradictions and inconsistincies. Perhaps if you read it more often, you would know.

The Bible des not teach hatred and predjudice, yet atheists who claim the church is evil do.

Was that a joke or something? According to the Bible, idol-worshippers, homosexuals, disobedient children, and women that aren't virgins on ther wedding night should be put to death. Not only that, God plays favoriates, and condoned slavery, execution, and unequal treatment to people that weren't "his people". Also, your typical sermon by a Southern Baptist is far more hateful than what the vast majority of Atheists say.

Please stop hating christianity, this si not about converting any of you, but abotu resepct, hatred leads to bigotry and oppression.

Once again, we don't hate Christians. There are many Christians on this board.

Atheists can be as amoral and oppressive as they say christians are.

Can you provide any examples of such atheists?

You're asking for a Smack Down. Keep in mind that this rebuttal was a small one, and I'm sure other members can do worse.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2002-12-15 09:44pm

ZAROVE wrote:I note a lot of coments agaisnt christianity, like " if I could go back in time and stop Jesus then no christians yaay"- things along those lines are bogoted statements, rathe rthan logical ones.

Actually, there were points made behind those statements. You didn't adress them, only the statement. Do you deny all the atrocities made in the name of Christianity? And do you realize that, if Jesus was only a man, then certainly many lives would be spared at the cost of only one?

I know in your defence you can post things likke " christinity brings evil and destruction" then site stupid arguents about the dark ages, lump everythign that was ever connected with christianity togather, ignore cercumstances and ohilosophies and say " Aha its wvil see"

Then debunk those arguments. Calling them names don't make them go away. Can circumnstances explain mass murder of children? Not to a humanist.

( Like if oy said hitler was a christian, and thus shows its evil, incedentally he as not.)

Boohoo. Because you say so?

fact is, Pagans, nowadays thought of as a tolerent nature based religion, killed christians and each other quietrapidluy.

Self defense? Other motives? care to explain it a bit more?

Atheists ran the soviet Union, and look at the carnage and bloodshed there.

And so what? Atheism is not a belief. In fact, their own moronic belief in the Marxist utopia, against facts and science, is precisely what is criticised in some Christians (the fundies)

Christianity, as in the philosphy, is far form evil, and Jesus, if you take an honest look, is inspiting.

Yet intead you hate christianity ( dotn say you hate religion, too many comments I have read are geared toward christians, not hindus for instance, IE religionists thing Jesus will come back but he wont and I know I am right")

Christian Fundies are more attacked here because of their influence in our countries. Hindus do not bother me at schools and at my home.

I do dislike irrational reasoning. It doesn't bother me at all if you believe in God or not. But if you say Evolution is wrong, that the Biblical Flood is true, and that Earth is 5000 years old, then be prepared to debate those claims against science.

Hatred of Christianity is pathetic and prevents any truth form comign in. The tiruth abotu what was written, and about people. Not all christians ar eidiots, nor do all reject reason, just as there are irrational and stupid atheists.

Yes, there are. I dislike them as well.

The truth is, the Bible is NOT filled with as many inconsistancies as is claied ( I have debunkedfar too many )

Ohhh, I'm impressed. Care to explain exactly what have you debunked? Against who?

The Bible des not teach hatred and predjudice, yet atheists who claim the church is evil do.

The OT doesn't teach hatred? I guess you missed the part about the killings, rapes, and destruction of cities apparently at fault, including all the children.

Please stop hating christianity, this si not about converting any of you, but abotu resepct, hatred leads to bigotry and oppression.

And willingful ignorance leads us happily into the dark ages, all over again.

Atheists can be as amoral and oppressive as they say christians are.

Nice how you put atheists in a group, even though christians are not a group, and this site makes great pains in differentiating moderated christians and fundies.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2002-12-15 09:45pm

Damnit! Lord Wong has beaten me to it. I wanted to smack him down

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-12-15 10:01pm

The stupidity is strong in this one.

IDMR · Post by **IDMR** » 2002-12-15 10:06pm

::looks around::

I would join in, but everybody had done it twice already...

For your information, however, Buddhism and Hinduism can be fairly aggressive too - we are pretty good at slaying each other in the name of religion regardless of said religion's tenets. Although due to the comparatively weak population they were naturally less damaging then Christianity.

SeebianWurm · Post by **SeebianWurm** » 2002-12-15 10:09pm

I have a terrible urge to nitpick his typing.

Alferd Packer · Post by **Alferd Packer** » 2002-12-16 01:39am

SeebianWurm wrote:I have a terrible urge to nitpick his typing.

I couldn't even read it. I am humbled by those who could.

ZAROVE · Post by **ZAROVE** » 2002-12-16 01:44am

Read Men Kampf, have you read the textx of his letters to personal friends? Or confessions?

Hitler was no christian, here is a quote of his.

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things."-he said this.

Does the above quote sound like a Christian? You may see me as a deluded fool who beelives a lie, wheras you know the truth ogf Hitlers faith, but do you put faith in histoty, or in what you choose?

That was to address Wong on Hitler.

As to others- one poster said " the Bible says the earth os flat"-care to show us on this board WHERE the Bible makes that claim?

Mind you, by askign I mean, whatverse says " The earth is flat"

As to the killings and rapes, Pagan rome started the arenas, fulled with rapes of women for amuzelment, slaves fighting as gladiators, and people beignm fed tot he lions, for sheer entertainment.
For beign christian you where often killed in such events.

Nero burned christians alive on stakes to light his parties. Also a pagan, worhipper of the roman pantheeon. Hardly an act of kindness.

Indeed genocide was comon on Roman policy for those barbarians outside the roman world they woshed conquered.

Rape and pillage was common among the norse, who themselves had a pantheon now celebrated by moderners as one of the more popular " revivals."

Hinu's also killed in the name if Vishnu, and Krishna, in the past, and the thugs where a group of Kali worshippers wsho woudl slit the throats of passersby to appease Kali in blood sacifices and a sacrifice of life.

Christianity has no moe a violent past than any of these, but is clamed to be the worst of the lot.

As to literally takign the Bible, I beleive in it literally, and no I am not a fundamentalist, you will think I am, because generalisations and party lines are the favour of democracy gone mad, such as we live in now, but I beleive the Bible, and not fundamentalists. ( example, I reject that Man is the purpose of creation, and I defy you to site a single verse that claims otherwise.)

However I do not see religion, but truth, as the important part, and Buhdism can be seen also as true, there s n true religion, but rather if a religion is true or not shoudl be what we ask.

"Was that a joke or something? According to the Bible, idol-worshippers, homosexuals, disobedient children, and women that aren't virgins on ther wedding night should be put to death. Not only that, God plays favoriates, and condoned slavery, execution, and unequal treatment to people that weren't "his people". Also, your typical sermon by a Southern Baptist is far more hateful than what the vast majority of Atheists say. "

Please site actua.l versus, otherswise I will assume onlyt hat your arguments are flawed by ignorance.

"Read the Bible. It's evil. Christians can be good people if they ignore all of the bad parts of the Bible, but make no mistake: those bad parts are there.
"

OK heres the thing, you assume I never read the Bibel and mindlessly follow the church. Problem is I read it, and probabley undertsand a lot more about it than you do.

Then again,you never specify how its evil, you simpley tell me to read it as though once I open it, any passage I find qill contain evil.

Please site A SPACIFIC EXAMPLE of how it is evil.

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Atheists can be as amoral and oppressive as they say christians are.

Can you provide any examples of such atheists?

Already did, it was ignored. The soviet Union. Again "the state" was nto seen as a god, and they where principley atheists.

Why is it that when Christians say a "just and righteous God" would torture us all for eternity in Hell, that's OK. But when we saw "The Bible is a worthless piece of trash", that's "hatred"? Is anyone seriously advocating concentration camps for Christians? Removal of basic human rights? Of course not. Christianity, on the other hand, preaches that all of us non-Christians are destined for an eternity of suffering at the hands of one who is supposedly "just, righteous, and mercifull".

I could argue that point but will at a later time, otherwise I will loose focus on this thread, hiwever simpley because you disagree with somethign dsnt make it not true.

If they are, it would be due to individual behaviour. Atheists do not have any published doctrine which is inherently bigoted, unlike the Bible.

The Bible is not inherantly Bigoted, howeve that seems to be the reputation, however I can safely say with the abcence of any versus to back you gusy up, its false.

Why? Why is it prejudice to say that a particular institution is evil if it has done evil things and preached evil things?

Much good has come as well as bad, the bad is remembered and oft refered to, even promoted, the good is forgotten, and if drudged up again, swiftly dismissed. Befire you claim I have sited no details, nor have any of you sited a single verse form the Bible.

I'm sure there are irrational and stupid atheists too. However, irrational and stupid people tend to be religious, because religion is irrational by its very nature.

Your ooppinion is biased, religion is only basic philosophy, thus not inherantly irrational.

The stupidity is strong in this one.

The above comment was made to refer to me, calling me stupid after so short a period. Care to elaborate on how I am stupid, or is it merely the requeast I made, if so are you certain I am stupid, or was that hurtful and unnessisary slur aimed only to demoralise as a cheap meathod to win.

To cap off where I began, hitler.

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( Like if oy said hitler was a christian, and thus shows its evil, incedentally he as not.)

Boohoo. Because you say so?

No, Hitler was not a christian because Hitler said so.

Here is a noce little website, dispite wongs objections to it, here is the truth- Hitler claimed christianity publicaly while plottong its downfall pruvately.

Hitler was a liar, and a good one, that hardly means his claims of chrisianity where vlaid.

( as to spelling, I am dyslexic.)

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mische ... itler.html

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » 2002-12-16 02:25am

Dude, for the love of your preferred deity , or non deity, use this neato feature on Word called "Spellcheck" , its new, you'll like it.

I might add that the Smack Downtm is well underway , and I've seen it before , save your fingers and time lest all they find of you is a smoking pair of Nikes

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » 2002-12-16 02:35am

As to an evil portion of the Bible , way easy, the Story of Job
Your ever loving and compassionate deity , in order to win a bet, murders a mans family, destroys his life and basically debases him in almost every way possible , all for a fucking bet with SATAN!!! In my book and every other , that my friend is evil, if the Christian God was ever loving and compassionate he would have looked Satan in the eye , and told him to fuck off back to the pit, end of story. No , in my eye , your God is a petty, brutal and vengeful child, upset at the prospect of any of us mere mortals "playing" with any of the other deities. Also , any God that stood by and allowed the 1,000 year saga of the Crusades to play out and not intervene, is evil and revels in evil. At times when reading the bible , I get the impression that Satan is only a bad guy because Lucifer lost his attempted coup aginst a mad tyrant and your all worshiping the wrong guy

Mr Flibble · Post by **Mr Flibble** » 2002-12-16 03:12am

I don't have the time to address all of your points so I will address one, and leave the rest to better debators like Darth Wong:

ZAROVE wrote:Please site A SPACIFIC EXAMPLE of how it is evil.

Leviticus 18:22, Good News Bible wrote:No man is to have sexual relations with another man; God hates that.

Leviticus 18:22, Common Bible (with Apocrypha) wrote:You shall not lie with a male as a woman: it is an abomination.

The bible states that homosexuality is 'an abomination'. Clearly God thinks that a private act between consensual adults is wrong, making God an evil bigot. This bigotry is advocated by the bible making it evil

Sokar wrote:As to an evil portion of the Bible , way easy, the Story of Job

I agreethat the treatment of Job is evil, and just so ZAROVE doesn't complain asking for spoecific verses, I suggest the best part to read for that story is Job Chapter 1.

SWPIGWANG · Post by **SWPIGWANG** » 2002-12-16 03:20am

When one take definition of morality into his own hands, all others can be defined as evil........

nuff said

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » 2002-12-16 03:40am

So by defining a portion of the Bible as evil , and the work of an evil deity, who repeatedly and flagarantly violates his own rules(Thou shalt not kill) in order to satisfy his own ends , I'm somehow creating my own morality? (If Im off base here let me know)

Im just judging the rule maker by his own rules, God kills, a mortal sin , not once , but tens of thousands of times, the Great Flood, the slaying of the first born of Egypt(thousands of innocent children at a stroke, theres compassion and love for ya)and on and on and on.......and all for what?

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-12-16 03:47am

SWPIGWANG wrote:When one take definition of morality into his own hands, all others can be defined as evil........

nuff said

Rubbish. This is just the kind of airy-fairy bullshit that I despise. BASIC morality is pretty much a constant throughout the world- it's centered on human betterment and the prevention of human suffering.

Or are you saying that a mass-murderer like God ISN'T evil?

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2002-12-16 03:54am

Zarove, hi, good of you to drop in.

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » 2002-12-16 03:56am

I take it we've dealt with this particular fundiemonkey before XaLEv ?

Coalition · Post by **Coalition** » 2002-12-16 04:22am

Doesn't the Bible have a loophole?

In Revelations 22:18, in my version it says, "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophey of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:"

In the next verse, it says that if you take away from the bible, then the rewards shall be taken away from you.

However, what if you were to add to the Bible something that allowed you to "Go directly to heaven, do not pass Limbo, do not go to Hell". You would not be getting any plagues, so the penalty for adding to the Bible would be voided.

Or am I a little off in this matter?

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-12-16 04:26am

Coalition wrote:Doesn't the Bible have a loophole?

In Revelations 22:18, in my version it says, "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophey of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:"

In the next verse, it says that if you take away from the bible, then the rewards shall be taken away from you.

However, what if you were to add to the Bible something that allowed you to "Go directly to heaven, do not pass Limbo, do not go to Hell". You would not be getting any plagues, so the penalty for adding to the Bible would be voided.

Or am I a little off in this matter?

It's a bit vague, where it gives one warning on what not to do, but doesn't say anything about what you can do. It means that you could basically just change words and technically you would not be taking away anything from it, since you are just replacing words. Unless it also means not to take anything away, as in message wise. So you can't just add stuff.

Post by **Coyote** » 2002-12-16 05:09am

I will, indeed, try to drop by for some of the discourse on "Biblical Contradictions", where I do fairly well...

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-12-16 06:51am

I have nothing against Religion, I am a very open minded, sense of wonder, always seeking answers to the unknown kinda guy.

I dislike Hypacrates, Fanatics, and Zealots
Particuarly because they have a tendancy to inflict a great deal of long term damage on innocents particualarly CHILDREN.

Please, if you believe in an something greater then you, and you really do belive in the core teachings of the Bible. PRACTICE THEM.

As in
"before plucking out the speck from your brother's eye remove the splinter from thy own."

"Love they Neighbor"

"Render unto Caeser what is to Caesar, render unto God what is to God." (Don't be a fucking Pat Robinson, asking me for money)

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2002-12-16 07:17am

Evil in the bible...hmmm...let's see. A few verses that are IMHO evil.
~ I Corinthians 14:34-35 So women should be silent?
~ I Corinthians 11:8-9 So women were created for men?
~ I Timothy 2:12 So women shouldn't teach and should be silent?
~ Deuteronomy 22:28-29. So women should marry their rapists?
~ Numbers 31:1-18 So virgin women are war booty?
~ Deuteronomy 21:18-21 So a stubborn and rebellius son should be stoned to death?
~ Proverbs 23:13 So child abuse is OK according to the good book?
~ I Timothy 6:1-5 So slavery is OK and anyone who teaches other wise is 'puffed with conceit'.

Oh, and Hitler was a Christian.

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