Star Wars: Legacy (set 145 ABY and starring Cade Skywalker)

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2006-06-26 11:19pm

Publius wrote:
Galvatron wrote:
Publius wrote:Grand Moff Tarkin called Alderaan the rebellion's chief source of munitions in the novelization of A New Hope.
Monetary source or manufacturing source? Surely Incom wasn't based on Alderaan.
Incom Corporation was not the rebel Alliance's chief supplier. In fact, shortly after the Alliance got ahold of the X-wing starfighter, Incom was Imperialized and reorganized under a new, pro-Imperial corporate government (a fact mentioned in numerous sources; Coruscant and the Core Worlds even mentions a commissioned officer being in place as the corporation's minder). The particular details of Alderaan's activities as a weapons supplier are not known, but remember that Tarkin was not necessarily referring to the planet Alderaan only. Alderaan surely had off-world assets and colonies, and certainly had naval and military forces at its disposal (even if they were euphemistically 'self-defense forces' or such like). In any case, Alderaan is known to have provided considerable financial support, even after the planet's obliteration; the Crown Jewels of Alderaan were offered as collateral to a much-needed war loan from the Bank of Aargau in "The Third Law."

Considering that Bail Organa and Mon Mothma were conspirering for twenty years, and the duo expected a long build up before challenging the Emperor; I wouldn't be surprised if Alderaan set up front companies that could funnel war material to rebel cells. It could explain both the money to the rebels and the munitions to the rebels. Bail puts money into a corporation, that turns around and puts that same money to off world military contractors to buy or produce weapons and ships, and then delievers it to their 'cliets' who are rebel agents.

spongyblue · Post by **spongyblue** » 2006-06-27 01:26am

.......and back on topic

Read issue 1 of legacy. Not as bad as I thought it would be, but some of the story about how things come along seem kinda silly. There is no real reason given so far why all of a sudden the "new" empire decides to go against the jedi, or why they would team up with the new sith. I guess we gotta see how things develope. Oh, and the new TIE's look pretty nifty.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2006-06-27 10:54am

spongyblue wrote:Oh, and the new TIE's look pretty nifty.

Any picture of that?

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2006-06-27 10:57am

They come in two variants, standard TIE-windows and striped windows. Both with unaerodynamically sound wings:

Dartzap · Post by **Dartzap** » 2006-06-27 11:10am

And only one pop gun? And to think the original ones were only good en mass:P

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2006-06-27 11:24am

They seem to be deployed enmasse from the Pellaeon-class SDs, hanging on racks.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2006-06-27 12:38pm

The wings supposedly are movable.

Aside from that, yes, one miserable gun sounds.. like a Missle Gun Boat.. and that gun was useless.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2006-06-27 12:52pm

First reaction: Dear god, what the hell is that crap? Is the artist blind or something?

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Second reaction: I hope they normally fly with the wings levelled. Damn, is that thing supposed to be an improvement over a regular TIE fighter?

Wookiepedia wrote:Considered a successor to the older TIE/I starfighter, Predator-class fighters were still highly manouevrable and heavily armed, but unlike most previous TIEs, they were also equipped with hyperdrives, and they generated deflector shields through their blade-shaped wings. As with the earlier Chiss Clawcraft, these wings could adjust to a variety of positions, aiding the starfighter's maneuverability, and they folded back fully for docking mode.

Heavily armed? Where?

000 · Post by **000** » 2006-06-27 02:22pm

They have four laser cannons, spaced around the cockpit. Look closely.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-06-27 07:59pm

Those fighters are hyperspace capable? Get fucked. They're smaller in volume than original TIEs!

Ar-Adunakhor · Post by **Ar-Adunakhor** » 2006-06-27 08:55pm

What the fuck is with them giving a massive cross-section to whoever is on their tail? Do they want to be shot down? And where the fucking hell are they storing the hyperdrive and shield generators? There is no way those wings could hold all that shit; they are just as thin as the original TIE's.

000 · Post by **000** » 2006-06-27 09:05pm

Yeah, those new ties are pretty ugly. The wings are even more unnecessary than on the older models.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2006-06-27 09:12pm

Stark wrote:Those fighters are hyperspace capable? Get fucked. They're smaller in volume than original TIEs!

No smaller than the TIE Defender I would think, or the TIE Advanced for that matter.

The shield generators are supposedly in the wings.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2006-06-27 09:13pm

Why the fuck didn't they just use an existing EU design like the TIE Defender?

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2006-06-27 09:52pm

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:
Stark wrote:Those fighters are hyperspace capable? Get fucked. They're smaller in volume than original TIEs!
No smaller than the TIE Defender I would think, or the TIE Advanced for that matter.

The shield generators are supposedly in the wings.

AFAIK, the Defender and the Avenger/Advanced TIE has extra superstructure on the rear of the craft for other equipment and systems where the regular TIE's don't.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-06-27 11:12pm

Knife wrote:AFAIK, the Defender and the Avenger/Advanced TIE has extra superstructure on the rear of the craft for other equipment and systems where the regular TIE's don't.

Damn straight - this design has just a ball and some radiators. It loses the fatass pylons full of pipes, and somehow ADDS capability, even doubling the guns while overall REDUCING radiator area!

Quite frankly, if THAT is hyperspace capable, than Jedi fighters NOT being hyperspace capable is stupid. IT'S A BALL. That's it. Defenders/Advanced etc have a rear section, almost the same volume as the ball on some models, containing shields, drives, fuel etc.

PS the shield gens are in the wings... THAT MOVE. That's right, the generators that absorb impacts are attached to a flexible extension. Best idea ever.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2006-06-27 11:14pm

It's wank.

It reminds me of the WEG-loving dipshits who insisted that the entire rear section of the Falcon was a cargo hold and the engine was tiny (back in the pre-ICS days).

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2006-06-27 11:38pm

Knife wrote:
Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:
Stark wrote:Those fighters are hyperspace capable? Get fucked. They're smaller in volume than original TIEs!
No smaller than the TIE Defender I would think, or the TIE Advanced for that matter.

The shield generators are supposedly in the wings.
AFAIK, the Defender and the Avenger/Advanced TIE has extra superstructure on the rear of the craft for other equipment and systems where the regular TIE's don't.

Erm... you can't see what's behind can you? Moreover, we don't know the dimensions of the main cockpit nor the wing thickness and what not.

Ar-Adunakhor · Post by **Ar-Adunakhor** » 2006-06-28 12:01am

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Erm... you can't see what's behind can you?

Yes you can.

Even if you could not it specifically mentions the wings fold all the way back along that little rail-line they are hooked to on the center axis. So, yeah, if there was anything back there they would need to somehow phase into it to fold back like that. As I know of no phasing technology in SW (thank god) we can safely rule that one out, and conclude there is nothing there and they come together like so:

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Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Moreover, we don't know the dimensions of the main cockpit

Unless you have evidence suggesting otherwise, it is a logical assumption to think that the exact same window and ball design remains a 1-person craft of the previously seen size. Especially with the tendancy of the Empire and Remnant to reuse the basic TIE design and the relatively stagnant state of technology. Do you have something we are missing out on?

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:nor the wing thickness and what not.

Extrapolated from the cockpit.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2006-06-28 01:12am

It isn't the exact same design. Unlike the older Ties that mounted 2 lasers at the most, whereas this design mount 4.

Plus, by what logic can you claim that something is the same after 100 years? You have no evidence either to claim it will be a consistent design.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-06-28 01:22am

Because a) SW has no technological development and the TIE is an outgrowth of 40-odd years of starfighter design and b) there were TIEs with far more than 2 guns. The interceptor had eight or ten.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2006-06-28 02:44am

Stark wrote:Because a) SW has no technological development and the TIE is an outgrowth of 40-odd years of starfighter design and b) there were TIEs with far more than 2 guns. The interceptor had eight or ten.

1. Technological development does not preclude the idea that a eyeball has to stay the same forever.

2. Are you refering to the possible guns in the eyeball or the wings? Some of those "guns" were supposedly sensors.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-06-28 02:47am

1. So you're saying while it's a ball with TIE-like window, it's acutally a different size? We can't actually show that it isn't, since you can't see the pilot through the window. Eventually the ship will be scalable though, and I bet it's the same size.

2. So you accept the stupid sourcebooks who deliberately rename the gun-structures 'sensors' because they'd already said it only had four?

The entry doesn't say anything about the chin guns IIRC - that's the level of quality we're talking about here.

Fingolfin_Noldor · Post by **Fingolfin_Noldor** » 2006-06-28 02:51am

Stark wrote:1. So you're saying while it's a ball with TIE-like window, it's acutally a different size? We can't actually show that it isn't, since you can't see the pilot through the window. Eventually the ship will be scalable though, and I bet it's the same size.

2. So you accept the stupid sourcebooks who deliberately rename the gun-structures 'sensors' because they'd already said it only had four? The entry doesn't say anything about the chin guns IIRC - that's the level of quality we're talking about here.

1. That's your bet. I have no bets till someone tells me a definitive answer.

2. If there's another theory and someone actually counted how many beams a TIE interceptor shoots in one go, then perhaps I will reconsider.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-06-28 02:53am

1. Fair enough. Now I'll have to get the damn comic for myself!

2. I simply figure everything on the TIE-I that looks like a gun is a gun. That's two chin, two pair of hub, and four wingtip. Almost the entire EU says only the four wingtip are guns. I'm not aware of anything in ROTJ that shows while gun the blasts come from. In any case, even it it's the bare minimum of six guns, that doesn't help the new one, as it's got guns mounted around the bloody window.