Dark Moose and KT Jelly Strike Again...

000 · Post by **000** » 2006-06-29 07:51pm

She said she doesn't like reading several times on the Jedi Council forums. I don't feel much like searching for examples (Traviss was, incidentally, a bit of a spammer back when she posted there) but the posts are there if you look.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2006-06-29 07:54pm

Forgive me, what is a "JOURNO"? Does that mean something in Mando'a?

Also, as someone who is a big enough nerd to fabricate fictional languages, using an apostraphe to make something sound exotic is the first sign you don't know what you're doing. Never use apostraphes unless it is supposed to signify a sound that doesn't exist in the english language (like a glottal stop), and never do basic word substitution.

PayBack · Post by **PayBack** » 2006-06-29 07:58pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:Forgive me, what is a "JOURNO"? Does that mean something in Mando'a?

Journalist.

apocolypse · Post by **apocolypse** » 2006-06-29 08:15pm

LOL....does anyone think this Karen Traviss quote I found is rather....ironic given the current circumstances?

"People in big important jobs do stupid things. Then they try to cover them up, which is even more stupid. "

Not that KT has a "big important job", but thought it was funny in an odd way.

BTW, as far as the "KT hates reading bit", here's a starter. Post 59.

http://www.galacticsenate.com/index.php ... 6552&st=50

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-06-29 08:16pm

PayBack wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:Forgive me, what is a "JOURNO"? Does that mean something in Mando'a?

Journalist.

Since when do journalists naturally have an aversion to reading (as she implies they do naturally)?

Ar-Adunakhor · Post by **Ar-Adunakhor** » 2006-06-29 08:16pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:Also, as someone who is a big enough nerd to fabricate fictional languages, using an apostraphe to make something sound exotic is the first sign you don't know what you're doing. Never use apostraphes unless it is supposed to signify a sound that doesn't exist in the english language (like a glottal stop), and never do basic word substitution.

Oh please, you think she is intelligent and dedicated enough to actually try and understand the intricacies of creating languages? Shit like that takes research and planning. We all know exactly how much of that she does.

When basic logic is beyond someone's comprehension, you don't expect for them to be able to do any more than pure world replacement and random sprinkling of apostrophes. I doubt she even has real word modifiers or rule sets for tenses.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2006-06-29 08:17pm

Ar-Adunakhor wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:Also, as someone who is a big enough nerd to fabricate fictional languages, using an apostraphe to make something sound exotic is the first sign you don't know what you're doing. Never use apostraphes unless it is supposed to signify a sound that doesn't exist in the english language (like a glottal stop), and never do basic word substitution.
Oh please, you think she is intelligent and dedicated enough to actually try and understand the intricacies of creating languages? Shit like that takes research and planning. We all know exactly how much of that she does.

When basic logic is beyond someone's comprehension, you don't expect for them to be able to do any more than pure world replacement and random sprinkling of apostrophes. I doubt she even has real word modifiers or a set rule for tenses.

What galls me is if she'd typed "create a language" into google, that would've been on the first link available.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-06-29 08:23pm

Ar-Adunakhor wrote:When basic logic is beyond someone's comprehension, you don't expect for them to be able to do any more than pure world replacement and random sprinkling of apostrophes. I doubt she even has real word modifiers or a set rule for tenses.

As far as I can gather (from Wikipedia), Mando'a contains about three types of word modifiers, some of which are single letters with, you guessed it, an apostrophe at the end. It also seems to lack tense completely.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2006-06-29 08:51pm

Jim Raynor wrote:Can somebody find the quote where she says this? I would love to see it. If she hates reading so much, then what the fuck is she doing writing?

Karen Traviss Feb 26 2006, 09:43 PM Post #59

Well, I haven't actually read any - started on a few, leafed through a few, but by and large, nada. Seriously. My inability to read is well known - I hate reading, and I can't absorb data from fiction. And riffling through a manuscript on scan to find continuity stuff isn't reading, because you filter out so much. (I speed read at two seconds a page, and it might work for reports but it doesn't work for fiction - not for me, anyway) Ask Troy how many times he had to remind me what was in DN.

Del Rey tried audiobooks for me, which I enjoyed as much as radio drama, but I didn't recall a damn thing. Basically, everything I get comes from the Holocron. Data. I process data. Once I see words, I start to edit.

It's impolitic to name any colleague's book, but I loved the SW tourist phrasebook. Hilarious.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2006-06-29 08:55pm

Okay, colour me stupid but what is the difference between reading words in a printed book and reading words on a Valendamned webpage?

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2006-06-29 09:31pm

Batman wrote:Okay, colour me stupid but what is the difference between reading words in a printed book and reading words on a Valendamned webpage?

Intellectual laziness.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2006-06-29 09:35pm

Interesting, given that I hate reading on the PC.

Darth Culator · Post by **Darth Culator** » 2006-06-29 10:42pm

apocolypse wrote:LOL....does anyone think this Karen Traviss quote I found is rather....ironic given the current circumstances?

"People in big important jobs do stupid things. Then they try to cover them up, which is even more stupid. "

Where is this from?

I may have a good use for it, if it has a verifiable source.

apocolypse · Post by **apocolypse** » 2006-06-29 10:49pm

Darth Culator wrote:
apocolypse wrote:LOL....does anyone think this Karen Traviss quote I found is rather....ironic given the current circumstances?

"People in big important jobs do stupid things. Then they try to cover them up, which is even more stupid. "
Where is this from?

I may have a good use for it, if it has a verifiable source.

It's from thisinterview. It's a bit long and wordy, I wound up skimming a lot of it. It's in the third paragraph of the first question asked of her. Hope it helps.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-06-29 11:06pm

Lord Poe wrote:
Batman wrote:Okay, colour me stupid but what is the difference between reading words in a printed book and reading words on a Valendamned webpage?
Intellectual laziness.

Or to be more precise, books tend to have a lot more words in them than webpages do. Webpages are, to a large extent, designed for people with limited attention spans.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2006-06-30 12:58am

Geez. she's still ranting about this how many months after? I'd mostly forgotten (or more precisely) ignored this and moved onto other and more interesting things. I guess she hasn't for some reason.

Edit: Oh yeah, and is it just me, or does she seem to have changed her story again? Now she's trying to come across as if she's some dedicated SW analyst just like Saxton and that makes her a serious SW something-or-other.)

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2006-06-30 01:36am

Connor MacLeod wrote:Oh yeah, and is it just me, or does she seem to have changed her story again? Now she's trying to come across as if she's some dedicated SW analyst just like Saxton and that makes her a serious SW something-or-other.)

Every time someone has even the smallest negative comment on her work, she'll retort that her Star Wars stories are "real" and rough, and some people don't like facing that...

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-06-30 02:29am

"Real" is one of those great totally meaningless compliments. Wow, that story is totally real, dude ...

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2006-06-30 02:44am

Wait, is she now saying that we hate her because we can't like mature, realistic and gritty stories? And here I was thinking that she sucked because she had a pair of ovaries, and that I could make a name for myself on the internet by going after her.

Anyone who thinks that a story based on Rambo-like "uber special forcez" is realistic is a complete, utter idiot.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2006-06-30 03:27am

Jim Raynor wrote:Wait, is she now saying that we hate her because we can't like mature, realistic and gritty stories? And here I was thinking that she sucked because she had a pair of ovaries, and that I could make a name for myself on the internet by going after her.

Anyone who thinks that a story based on Rambo-like "uber special forcez" is realistic is a complete, utter idiot.

I'm looking at YOU, John Ringo and David Webber...

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2006-06-30 08:17am

The PLB have deleted my two comments I left. They don't want to be associated with the "KT Stalker".

I don't want to be associated with the PLB. I like my testicles right where they are.

Post by **Vympel** » 2006-06-30 08:19am

What did you say?

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2006-06-30 08:26am

Vympel wrote:What did you say?

Basically, welcome to my world. Then I posted a link to my page refuting Moose's bullshit. Got neutral to positive response until Moose Christ decided to forgive the PLB. Now they won't have anything to do with anyone nasty!

I was in email contact with one of them, and got a positive response. I expect that person was "converted" too.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2006-06-30 08:38am

Vympel wrote:Link to the guy telling the story of what happened

It appears to be gone now. Pussies.

Sonnenburg · Post by **Sonnenburg** » 2006-06-30 08:47am

*sigh* Kind of like watching a battered wife return to her husband.