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back ache and the war against evolution

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I was doing some research online about good back posture and I found this gem from answer in genesis.

Evolutionists are wrong! God desgiend us!
Railroad wants monkey off its back

by Mike Krehbel

Every day more than 10 million Americans are off work due to back injuries.1 Fiscal losses in back-related injuries in the United States are estimated at $20-50 billion a year!2 Additional moneys are lost in litigation, retraining and lost productivity. The problem is growing worse each year, 'approaching enormous proportions that affect the back pain sufferer, their families, friends, co-workers, place of employment and ultimately their country's productivity.'3

Norfolk and Southern Railroad wants to derail the trend. They've sponsored a revolutionary 'back school' for their Mechanical Department, recognizing bad information as a primary player in the 'plague'.

Contrary to 45 years of common teaching,4 physical training instructor David W. Apts, author of The Back Book, coaches students to lift with their back muscles — by 'locking their back in' (head and shoulders rolled back, back curved inwards rather than rounded out) and not relying entirely on arm and leg muscles.

Evolution throws a curve

General foreman and back-school instructor for Norfolk and Southern's Mechanical Department, Ellis Leigh, tells his classes, 'Evolutionists tried to tell us the curvature of the back was due to a deteriorated condition, caused by walking upright on our "hind legs".5 In reality, the back was designed with this curvature, which assists us in lifting and with the body's movement in general. The spine's three curvatures act as an indispensable shock absorption system.'
Evolutionists have got it wrong about the curvature in your back

Affected by evolutionary thinking, many clinics and texts told people that standing like the person in the left-hand picture, exhibiting the natural forward curvature in the lower back where the spine joins the pelvis, was wrong. (See for example Ref. 5, main article.) Instead, they encouraged people to practise standing as in the picture on the right. All sorts of exercises and advice were given to get rid of this curvature, found only in humans.

Although such overtly evolutionary texts are generally regarded as outdated, the supposed evolutionary history of the lumbar spine has had a lasting, subtle contribution towards poor posture.

Back posture

Early orthopaedic pamphlets referred to the spine's natural curvature, called 'lumbar lordosis',6 as a disorder and suggested we sit, stand and walk like apes to correct it (see sidebar).
From apes to olympic weight-lifters

Apts never mentions evolutionists in his book. Rather he simply bases his instructions on two key fundamentals. First, a shift in scientific models from apes to Olympic weight-lifters. Second, a design analysis of our own anatomy, as it is, not as evolutionists think it should be.

This shift in models enables us to see an alarming cause and effect relationship. Evolutionary orthopaedics told us not to lift with our backs, which led to unexercised and weak backs, prone to deterioration and injury.

Conversely, by 'locking in' the back muscles, lifting becomes easier, and the back muscles are exercised, leading to a healthier back.

Evolutionists scrutinized our anatomy with an atheistic eye. When Apts re-examined the body with an eye for design, he made two important discoveries:

1. The curvature of the back is functional — not faulty.
2. The back is well-equipped with layers of muscles which, as people neglected to use them they became weak, leading to back injury.

Weighty questions

Will corporate America and elsewhere see the creation-evolution debate as practical, with their employees' health and $50 billion at stake? Will the media present it as the income-impacting, quality-of-life, health-care issue that it is? Don't hold your breath!
Individual loads

Norfolk and Southern Railroad may just be the engine that pulls the whole train. But, whether corporations wake up or not, as individuals we must decide not only how we'll stand, but where, as well.

The Apostle Paul alluded to champion athletes as suitable examples. He said to run in such a way that you may win. And everyone who competes in the games, exercises self-control in all things. They then do it to receive a perishable wreath, today's equivalent of a gold medal, but we an imperishable. (1 Corinthians 9:24-25). '... let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us' (Hebrews 12:1).
References

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David W. Apts, The Back Book, F.P.R. Inc., Ashland (Kentucky), 1986, p. 5.
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ibid.
3.

ibid.
4.

ibid.
5.

Your Back, Department of Orthopedic Surgery, Ochsner Clinic, p. 1.
6.

ibid.

This brief article is not meant to be a substitute for professional advice. Nor does it obviate the need for proper care of our backs, ensuring adequate exercise, and avoiding excessive heavy lifting (especially in sedentary people without proper warm-up or stretching).

MIKE KREHBIEL
was formerly an apprentice airframe and powerplant mechanic with a major airline, and has enjoyed extensive travel around the USA, Israel, and diving ventures to the Caribbean. He is presently employed in Norfolk and Southern Railroad's Mechanical Department.
I was intrigued at how a simple topic about back posture could be even related to evolution and the bible and just checked it out.......

The kind of lies they proclaim about medicine is patently absurd. Since when did evolutionists claim that 'the curvature of the back was due to a deteriorated condition'?

And how on earth did he get the idea that lordosis IS the body natural curvature?

I'm current with the idea that creationists attempt to blame the entire world problems on aethism and science but this just takes the cake!
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I'm not sure why Apts thinks a strained muscle/tendon is a good thing but I can say from experiance that the posture he recomends, when sitting at a desk at least, does no good and much harm. Sometimes I realy wish there were laws governing medical advice, at least forcing proper studys into the afects of the advice.
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Sounds like the same cretins who tell you to lift with a straight back, which is a tad hard, when your damn spinal column is curved specially anyway. Besides, as Michael Owen now knows recently, there are other things that show God is a rather sucky engineer. The knee joint being a general mess for instance, or maybe the eye being wired backwards, or the fur that forms on foetuses then falls off, or the redundant organs or features of the body.
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The spine is clearly better for a four-legged posture (i.e. the vast majority of vertebrates), and it's near-perfect for fast-running animals like big cats. It functions, at best, adequately in humans. If we were designed from the ground up to be bipedal, the "spine" would look nothing like it does. Certainly, there is no reason for our spine to resemble the spines of animals with totally different posture from God's POV.
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To make things even more absurd, the "new" advice he says is being given on the shape of back posture appears to be the same old drivel that has been around for decades........

I'm simply fucking unaware of any respectable doctor, physiotherapist or whatever at any point in time recommending that we go through life hunched up like an ape.

In fact, according to the APTA and other sites and texts, the so called "evolutionists" recommended posture is an outright example of poor posture. I guessed that means that the APTA, medical textbooks, sports scientists and etc are all against evolution and for creation then :roll:

And lumbar lordosis is in no form natural either! Neither was it suggested that we sit, stand and walk hunched up like apes to correct it. In fact, hunched up posture contribute to lordosis!!!!!!!1
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These morons said and wrote:Evolutionary orthopaedics told us not to lift with our backs, which led to unexercised and weak backs, prone to deterioration and injury.

Conversely, by 'locking in' the back muscles, lifting becomes easier, and the back muscles are exercised, leading to a healthier back.

*snip*

2. The back is well-equipped with layers of muscles which, as people neglected to use them they became weak, leading to back injury.
Curiously, National Geographic just ran an article on the physical costs of walking upright in the July issue. Needless to say, "weak muscles=back injury" is stupid; the high incidence of back injury in people is due to the spine being forced to perform a role for which is it not ideally suited. As Anguirus said, a spinal column makes a great arch for a quadruped. It must be curved, though, in order to keep our hips properly aligned and our mass centered for bipedalism, and the oblique pressure on the curved spine from the weight it has to bear is what gives us such trouble. If our spines have their work cut out for them supporting our own weight, it sure as hell isn't a good idea to lift with the back.
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Fucking morons, the people who wrote that article. The funny thingabout lifting heavy things is that if you do have to lift them with brute force, then doing it with the legs and back is about the ponly realistic way of doing it unless you want to use something more advanced like a lever or a pulley system. Lifting heavy stuff with a curved back (in the style of bend over and pick it up) invites slipped discs, while having a straight back and using the legs for lifting gets the job done with less effort and less risk of injury. The risk will still be there, though.

It's funny how much better leverage you can apply that way, just a few weeks ago I lifted a heavy concrete ring enough to tip it on its side so that we could roll it in place and drop it into the pit my father had dug for a sewer reservoir at our summer place. He'd thought that it'd take a minimum of three men to lift the thing because he didn't know the proper lifting technique. He could hardly believe his eyes when he saw what I did, and I'm a relative weakling physically.

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I worked in retail for years and you learn pretty quick there not to lift with you back. Threat of injury aside (and I hurt my back pretty easily, same as my father and his father and his father and probably all the way back to the Neolithic), the muscles in your legs are much stronger than the ones in your back, and it's silly to lift something heavy without using the strongest muscles in your body.
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Has anyone seen the small muscles of the lower back? Other than the lumbar extensors, its surprising SMALL..........

That was really what convinced me that no matter how silly I look, the proper lifting technique was for me.
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Classic "pick and choose data we like best" tactic that is so typical of these morons.
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Uh, anyone who has even seen Olympic weight-lifting will know this is bullshit. Such atheletes go to great lengths to avoid a prolonged lift with the back. Everyone has seen them throw themselves under the weight to lift with their legs, right?

Frankly, the connection to evolution is dubious at best. Even his proposed method for lifting were effective, it still wouldn't negate evolutionary premises. Nothing about the theory necessitates the degeneration of physical features when transitioning to bipedalism.
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I was always taught in high school weight training class to lift with the legs. The article writer is clearly insane.
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Patrick Degan wrote:The article writer is clearly insane.
The writer is a creationist. What do you expect?
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