GW/WH40K modelling/gaming discussion thread

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2006-07-06 09:57am

Around here where I live, it's generally considered improper to cite a rule or ability without the relevant Codex or book on-hand to prove it; and it's common courtesy to show the rule in question if asked. That probably doesn't apply to official tournaments, but it's at least how things tend to run in my experience.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2006-07-06 11:53am

Amusingly enough it would have meant his dreadnaught failing to destroy an imobilized chimera in hand to hand... Four attacks, three twos and a four giving him one penetrating and three glancing.

He rolled triple snake eyes damage for the glancing and imobilized for the penetrating.

Rawtooth · Post by **Rawtooth** » 2006-07-06 02:33pm

How's everyone else doing in their regions/factions for Medusa V? The Marines are in 4th in Tisiphone, with only the 'Nids, Necrons, and Orks ahead of us.

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2006-07-06 02:45pm

Stravo wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote: And I just checked...he lied about a second imobilize result killing a tank, it only kills it if it's out of guns. *mutters*
I thought there was a referee or umpire to oversee these games to prevent that sort of thing. If that's not the case doesn't the game reward people who really really know the Codexes inside out over a relative noob if they can cite to rules and you don't know them? If no umpire is available and someone cites a rule they should have the Codex with them to point it out.

As far as I'm aware of that sort of service is only available at GW's chain of gaming stores themselves, which don't exist in plenty of states.

One of the reasons I'm not interested in bothering with tournaments, Games Days, or whatnot. They're far too competitive anyhow, I've heard plenty of negative experiences about playing againts the kind of mindsets and armylists found at said events.

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2006-07-07 05:16am

GTs and Games Days actually aren't that cutthroat because of the completely bullshit comp/sports/painting scores. You aren't really playing the game, you are playing the tourny system, and hoping the opponent isn't an ass who docks you for whatever the fuck petty reason he wants so he can stand a better chance of winning.
Gladiators are the tourneys you want to go to if you just want to play the game hardcore. If you just want fun, the local game night is what you want. If you want to play political and metagame and all, go to RTs. If you want to complain about how sucky GW is, and be proven right, then GTs/Gamesday is the way to go.

Azazal · Post by **Azazal** » 2006-07-07 08:53am

Dark Hellion wrote:GTs and Games Days actually aren't that cutthroat because of the completely bullshit comp/sports/painting scores. You aren't really playing the game, you are playing the tourny system, and hoping the opponent isn't an ass who docks you for whatever the fuck petty reason he wants so he can stand a better chance of winning.
Gladiators are the tourneys you want to go to if you just want to play the game hardcore. If you just want fun, the local game night is what you want. If you want to play political and metagame and all, go to RTs. If you want to complain about how sucky GW is, and be proven right, then GTs/Gamesday is the way to go.

Which Games Day have you gone to? Played in the Chicago Grand Tournements here and never ran into any trouble. Though I did see some real asses there,but never played against them. Guess I've been lucky in that my oppents have all been pretty cool and fun to play against.

Side note update - the parts are on the way, soon I will have a kill team squad of crusade/heresy era Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus (still deciding which colcor scheme) and DAMN YOU McNEIL AND ABNETT FOR PUTTING IDEAS IN MY HEAD!!!!

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2006-07-07 03:39pm

Broke Down and bought Battle of Macragge. Think I'm just going to use my old model paints rather than spend the cash on Official paints.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2006-07-07 03:47pm

Lonestar wrote:Broke Down and bought Battle of Macragge. Think I'm just going to use my old model paints rather than spend the cash on Official paints.

Are they acrylic or oil based?

Oil based ones really dont work well for the GW stuff.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2006-07-07 05:25pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:
Are they acrylic or oil based?

Oil based ones really dont work well for the GW stuff.

You know...I'm not sure. I used 'em on model planes and whatnot. It's been awhile since I broke them out. If they turn out to be oil based I'll just go to a Hobby shop and get some paint there, I'm not gonna pay a left nut for the Official GW stuff.

Incidently, there were about 15 people at the GW shop there at the mall. Looked like they had one Hell of a battle going on..I wonder if it was part of th Medusa campaign.

Edit: Of course, what really pisses me off is that there are only Ultramarine decals, and having seen the reactions of some on this board I take it that Ultramarine armies are looked down upon?

(Incidently, I want my army to be Maroon and white, but there you go)

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2006-07-07 09:06pm

I went to games day Chicago 2 years ago. Between listening to GW reps lecturing us "Americans" on how we play the game wrong, and dealing with a bunch of other bullshit hassles, it drove me kinda nuts. The players there aren't bad, but the tourney system is rather fucked up, and the way GW treats the hardcore tournament players is dispicable.

Utsanomiko · Post by **Utsanomiko** » 2006-07-07 11:02pm

If UK Games workshop wants players over here to be less competitive, they should write their rulebooks less like cardgames than a strategy RPG (yes, even considering the commercialization of 2nd edition) and also accept that min/maxing will achieve extra advantages in their straight points system. Also, if people think there's somethnig wrong with 6 to 9-man Marine squads they shouldn't have wirtten it into the rulebook. Fielding Tactical Marines in whatever squad size is appropriate for the task sounds mighty tactical and flexible to me.

Lonestar wrote: Edit: Of course, what really pisses me off is that there are only Ultramarine decals, and having seen the reactions of some on this board I take it that Ultramarine armies are looked down upon?

Um, they are emblems for eight different Chapters on the Space Marine decal sheet, plus Codex squad markings and army badges. I've also seen people use the decals to make their own emblems.

(Incidently, I want my army to be Maroon and white, but there you go)

Sounds like a fine color scheme. Creating something of your own background and style, or are you looking for an oficially-named Chapter that fits the bill? Blood Ravens is the closest I can think of off the top of my head, but they're fairly established, considering how many are known only by name and appearance.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2006-07-08 01:06am

Utsanomiko wrote: Um, they are emblems for eight different Chapters on the Space Marine decal sheet, plus Codex squad markings and army badges. I've also seen people use the decals to make their own emblems.

I was refering to the decals that came with the battle for Macragge set.

Sounds like a fine color scheme. Creating something of your own background and style, or are you looking for an oficially-named Chapter that fits the bill? Blood Ravens is the closest I can think of off the top of my head, but they're fairly established, considering how many are known only by name and appearance.

A color scheme of my own, but since I've never really played the TT before I'll probably just copy a Chapter rule set onto mine.

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2006-07-08 03:35am

Personally, I find water transfers to be assholes and I rarely use them, instead just painting on the troop arrows and whatnot.

And Lonestar, there are very easy-to-use and self-explanatory custom Chapter rules in Codex: Space Marines. And, of course, your Chapter can just be a normal Codex Chapter (i.e., no special rules beyond being Space Marines).

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2006-07-08 03:56pm

And just a reminder to everyone to sign up for Medusa V if they want, which goes through August 30. You can be a part of it even if it's just battles at home, it isn't necessary to go to the nearest (read: 50 bazillion miles) GW store, though it counts for more if your opponent is also registered.

You can register on the GW site (games-workshop.com), not linked because it is localized to your country (which country you register from determines the region of Medusa V you fight in).

Games of Epic, Gothic, and Inquisitor count as well!

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2006-07-08 08:51pm

Brother-Captain Gaius wrote:And just a reminder to everyone to sign up for Medusa V if they want, which goes through August 30. You can be a part of it even if it's just battles at home, it isn't necessary to go to the nearest (read: 50 bazillion miles) GW store, though it counts for more if your opponent is also registered.

You can register on the GW site (games-workshop.com), not linked because it is localized to your country (which country you register from determines the region of Medusa V you fight in).

Games of Epic, Gothic, and Inquisitor count as well!

There are two, count 'em, two GW stores withing 20 miles of me. And that's just on the Virginia side of the Potomac. I may just swing by to observe them
incidently when I broke out my little figures I thought to myself "For some reaosn my memory had them being about half an inch bigger..."

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2006-07-08 09:59pm

Brother-Captain Gaius wrote:Games of Epic, Gothic, and Inquisitor count as well!

That's downright disturbing. Imagine a NecronLord-brand Inquisitor game set on Medusa V, and the chaos we'd inflict on the events.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2006-07-08 10:05pm

Inquisitor is an RPG?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2006-07-08 10:15pm

Lonestar wrote:Inquisitor is an RPG?

Yep.

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2006-07-09 02:22am

Wait a second, have we corrupted you too Nitram?
Score 1 for Chaos! BWAHAHAHA!

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2006-07-09 02:33am

New as well, 2 game reports. Short because I don't remember either game too well.

1850 Blood Angels vs. Nids.

His list consist of a flyrant with warpfield, a broodlord with retinue, 2 15 man hormogaunt squads, 3 warriors with leaping sytal/rending,6 rippers, 3 zoanthropes, 12 genestealers and carl the carnifex (pimped gunfex).

I set up in a refused flank with him taking the bait and deploying almost everything with my DC/assault squad, speeders and librarian (aka my mobile and good part) allowing my shooting elements to pot shot him all game. It basically comes down to a turn two mass assault by my DC that takes out his gaunts, flyrant, and rippers by turn 3, following my burning his broodlord down with my librarian, 2flamers, and 3 ML. Following turn 2, I simply picked him off with all my shooting, and started eating him with my DC. I won by turn 4.

Game 2 Biel Tan eldar
His list is a very good list with 2 CTM starcannon Vypers, 2 Pimped Falcons with firedragons in it, 2 guiding farseers, 2 darkreaper squads (1 3man with exarch, 1 5man), 9 infiltrating striking scorpions w/exarch/claw, and 2 defendersw/starcannon.
I made a few deploy mistakes, and made a minor error turn 1 and basically got killed bydefeat in detail over the course of the 6 turns. It was a close game tactically, but a few stategic blunders killed me. If I had rolled a bit better I would have drawn, but falcons are nearly unkillable, and I wasted way too many shots, and put way too many guys in the open.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2006-07-10 06:30pm

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2006-07-11 12:40pm

Azazal wrote: Side note update - the parts are on the way, soon I will have a kill team squad of crusade/heresy era Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus (still deciding which colcor scheme) and DAMN YOU McNEIL AND ABNETT FOR PUTTING IDEAS IN MY HEAD!!!!

I already have Luna Wolves down, man, just check last page...

But as for the colour scheme, it seems to be either grey with gold trim/red eyes (if you go by Horus Rising's cover), or white with black trim/black eyes (description in Horus Rising, cover of False Gods). And in False Gods, they switch to what sounds like a greenish/gray with gold trim, I can't really pin down the colour though...

And a brief vent: grey paint does NOT work well on top of white! Curse my inclination to try and do the white/black colours...

Azazal · Post by **Azazal** » 2006-07-11 02:06pm

Elheru Aran wrote:
Azazal wrote: Side note update - the parts are on the way, soon I will have a kill team squad of crusade/heresy era Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus (still deciding which colcor scheme) and DAMN YOU McNEIL AND ABNETT FOR PUTTING IDEAS IN MY HEAD!!!!
I already have Luna Wolves down, man, just check last page...

But as for the colour scheme, it seems to be either grey with gold trim/red eyes (if you go by Horus Rising's cover), or white with black trim/black eyes (description in Horus Rising, cover of False Gods). And in False Gods, they switch to what sounds like a greenish/gray with gold trim, I can't really pin down the colour though...

And a brief vent: grey paint does NOT work well on top of white! Curse my inclination to try and do the white/black colours...

Oh I know it's a pain to pick the color.

Go by Space Marine 1st Ed, Sons of Horus are black there.

Codex: Chaos 2nd Ed, IIRC, brings up the White color of the orginal Luna Wolves

3rd/4th Ed IA article has the Luna Wolves as an off white, then once renamed to the Sons of Horus, a sickly blue green color.

Horus Rising lists the Luna Wolves as off white or pearl white, depending on the passage in the book.

False Gods has them colored in a metallic green after the name change

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

That's why I'm leaning towards Luna Wolves in an off white color with gunmetal trim.

Easy way I found for that is prime the figure white, then wash with a nice thinned down light grey, then touch up the highpoints with thinned white. It's hard to see, but that's how I did the heads on my termies, looks better in real life then in the pics, white is such a bitch to photograph

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2006-07-11 03:21pm

Off white with metal trim does sound nice, aye. We'll have to compare after mine's finished...

Acquired a Chaplain with jump pack earlier today. Nice thing bout them, no fiddling with Chapter colours... I think I'll go a nice glossy black sheen for the armour...

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2006-07-11 03:43pm

..must... paint... more... yes...

*Twitches as bolt pistol falls off of model*

noooo... no... no... the Emperor finds you wanting...

*Glues... twice*

paint... paint them... paint them, yes... boltgun metal? chainmail? paint them all, meeeehehehehehehehehehehe

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On the plus side, I'll have lots of pics of fully-painted Archons up after Saturday's Medusa V event here. Maybe even flocked.