And the flip part of Kirk's communicator is supposed to be the "antenna, to call the geosync satellite - Enterprise - with. Which makes my cell phone more advanced. The only thing I can't do with my cell phone that Kirk could with his communicator is set up a sonic pulse that would cause a rock slide.
Wait- Batman has The Joker on speed-dial?
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And the flip part of Kirk's communicator is supposed to be the "antenna, to call the geosync satellite - Enterprise - with. Which makes my cell phone more advanced. The only thing I can't do with my cell phone that Kirk could with his communicator is set up a sonic pulse that would cause a rock slide.
Wait- Batman has The Joker on speed-dial? :shock:
He apparently has himself on speed-dial, too.
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And the flip part of Kirk's communicator is supposed to be the "antenna, to call the geosync satellite - Enterprise - with. Which makes my cell phone more advanced. The only thing I can't do with my cell phone that Kirk could with his communicator is set up a sonic pulse that would cause a rock slide.
Wait- Batman has The Joker on speed-dial?
He apparently has himself on speed-dial, too.
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I rewatched Robocop today and I saw that they had both DVD and GPS technology. Clearly, that movie inspired all those technologies we have today. The inventors thought "hey, they use a small thing to track Robocop, that's really neat" and "hey, Boddicker has a video of Dick on an optical storage device for superior image quality, that's a great idea".
(On a different note, there are many similarities between ED-209's fail-safe system and the E-D's warp core )
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Darth Servo wrote:Trekkies just see sci-fi classics like 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea getting credited with things like "predicting submarines" and want to believe that their favorite sci-fi is in the same class.
Except that's a myth just like the Trek/cell phone thing. 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea was published in 1873. Submarines had already existed and had been used in warfare (C.S.S. Hunley).
. . .
The first nuclear submarine being named Nautilus is in the same class as the space shuttle named Enterprise. There are Jules Verne fanboys who are just like Trekkies in their delusions regarding this.
Even worse for the myth is the fact that the name Nautilus was an old one in the U.S. Navy. As for the name being hung onto Verne's submarine, that was a tribute to Robert Fulton's submersible boat Nautilus which he built in 1800 and tried unsuccessfully to sell to the French.
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Or, indeed, black people.
before Uhuru, there were none.
Well it was the first filmed interracial kiss.....for all that its worth.
And all the Trekkies mysteriously fail to mention that it was involuntary. They were forced to kiss against their will by evil aliens. In context, that doesn't send quite the message that the "first interracial kiss" soundbite does.
First interracial kiss. Big deal. Nowhere near as impressive as the first performed orgasm on network TV (Nancy Kovaks in "A Private Little War" —the mako-root scene).
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Pretty much every sci-fi and technologically advanced person from the 50s onward had wireless communication. What were they often called? COMMUNICATORS!
Star Trek was just copying an idea. It would be like saying that George Forman invented the grill.
You mean George Forman didn't invent the grill? Gasp! My life is based on a lie!
Basically, every sci-fi you can think of has some form of precedent in reality, except a precious few which I can't think of right now. Most likely the ones with the earliest teleportation or realistic space colonization.
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loomer wrote:Basically, every sci-fi you can think of has some form of precedent in reality, except a precious few which I can't think of right now. Most likely the ones with the earliest teleportation or realistic space colonization.
Oh, the idea of teleportation is as old as Greek mythology.
The modern SF idea of mechanical teleportation is a merging of radio communication and Einstein's basic statement that matter and energy are essentially the same thing in different states of being. Combine the two and you get the idea that people can be turned into signals, beamed from place to place, and reassembled at the other end.
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People pray so that God won't crush them like bugs.
—Dr. Gregory House
Oil an emergency?! It's about time, Brigadier, that the leaders of this planet of yours realised that to remain dependent upon a mineral slime simply doesn't make sense.
—The Doctor "Terror Of The Zygons" (1975)
As far as great Ideas, I like how in the movie The Forbidden Planet how the crew of the FTL starship have to stand in special beams of light in order for the ship to stop and not kill them.
Many Sci-Fi shows have done things that make them stand out others have been mainly blah.
The truth of the matter is the idea of the hand held communcator is as old as Sci Fi and goes back to things such as Dick Tracy's Wrist communicatot. That little gadget had even video capability.
The thing that saved Star Trek from dissapearing into obscurity was the reruns that actually placed it at a time that was reasonable to watch. Without that, it would have only had a limited audience and wouldn't have built up the following needed to make STI do well enough to give us the gem of STII.
Oh, and don't tell the trekkies that Star Wars helped there too....
One thing Trek can lay clain to is how that they had computers as a common place feature of the ship. they were everywhere on the Enterprise while if you watch shows like Lost In Space, they had on the ship one huge computer that did everything. That show might have actually started the whole mess with computer brain bug as it was a major plot point
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Back on topic, whether or not StarTrek inspired or copied wireless communication, the fact remains that voice activated communicators as featured on StarTrek leave a lot to be desired in terms of the logic behind their functioning.
How exactly do they work? Let us take a simple situation as an example, for intsance on the ship, Picard smacks his tit and says "Picard to Riker".
Does absolutely everybody on the Enterprise hear this message on their communicator, until Riker tweaks his nipple and creates some sort of a private frequency? This would be logically consistant but totally stupid.
The alternative however, is mindbogglingly dumb. Picard baps up his comm-crest, and says "Picard to Riker" --- at this point, the Enterprise's communications computer directs that signal to Riker and replays it, with an obligatory time delay... but all by indications in the series and the movies, the link is instantaneous.
Kotooshu wrote:Back on topic, whether or not StarTrek inspired or copied wireless communication, the fact remains that voice activated communicators as featured on StarTrek leave a lot to be desired in terms of the logic behind their functioning.
How exactly do they work? Let us take a simple situation as an example, for intsance on the ship, Picard smacks his tit and says "Picard to Riker".
Does absolutely everybody on the Enterprise hear this message on their communicator, until Riker tweaks his nipple and creates some sort of a private frequency? This would be logically consistant but totally stupid.
The alternative however, is mindbogglingly dumb. Picard baps up his comm-crest, and says "Picard to Riker" --- at this point, the Enterprise's communications computer directs that signal to Riker and replays it, with an obligatory time delay... but all by indications in the series and the movies, the link is instantaneous.
So what is really happening here?
It could be possible that the computer sets them to a specific frequency when someone signals to someone else. This prevents overlap or interference. The computer could pick the frequency at random and would pick a different one for each conversation at that specific moment.
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That makes sense, but that would indicate that there would have to be a delay for the computer to relay the message to the proper receiver.
And it also doesn't take into account different pronounciations... The way Scottie says "KirK" is a lot different than the way Spock says "KirK".
Or even the name "Picard"... Picard pronounces it English style without really sounding the "R" (Picaaaahd) and so on and so on...
There are also bound to be a few "Smiths" and "Browns" on a ship with over 1000 people...
My point is that a show that usually devotes a lot of effort to at least attempt to maintain internal consistency and logic really missed the ball here.
Kotooshu wrote:That makes sense, but that would indicate that there would have to be a delay for the computer to relay the message to the proper receiver.
And it also doesn't take into account different pronounciations... The way Scottie says "KirK" is a lot different than the way Spock says "KirK".
Or even the name "Picard"... Picard pronounces it English style without really sounding the "R" (Picaaaahd) and so on and so on...
There are also bound to be a few "Smiths" and "Browns" on a ship with over 1000 people...
My point is that a show that usually devotes a lot of effort to at least attempt to maintain internal consistency and logic really missed the ball here.
They delay could be nearly instantanious due to computer speed and the computer could be programmed to handle the individual voices of the crew. If there is voice recognition, then the computer could pick through the individual mannerisms.
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Admiral Johnason wrote:They delay could be nearly instantanious due to computer speed and the computer.
The delay could be instantaneous in the sense that the sender sends the message and the computer then immediately replays it on the receiver's communicator.
"Riker to Picard"
"Riker to Picard"
...
"Go ahead"
... where the sender would have to wait for the repetition of his sentance before hearing the response. But on film, you never get the sense of that one necessary repetition.
Admiral Johnason wrote:They delay could be nearly instantanious due to computer speed and the computer.
The delay could be instantaneous in the sense that the sender sends the message and the computer then immediately replays it on the receiver's communicator.
"Riker to Picard"
"Riker to Picard"
...
"Go ahead"
... where the sender would have to wait for the repetition of his sentance before hearing the response. But on film, you never get the sense of that one necessary repetition.
They are using subspace communications and not standard radio. The transition is instant when the ship is in orbit or the entire conversation takes place on the ship.
There could be some trigger that we haven't seen. The badge could vibrate and we have heard them beep when someone makes the tap.
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No Johanson, when you say 'Tim to Burke', the computer has to wait for you to finish speaking before it can route your call. Thus, when their comm chirps, you've already stopped speaking, and are waiting for a response. If the comm unit aubibly says 'Time to Burke', it MUST be a repeat. It's like voice-dialling a phone: they dude on the other end doesn't hear you say 'Burke', or the numbers dialling, because that all happens before the connection is created and their end rings.
All this could be avoided if they just chirped the comms, instead of repeated the initial call request. Then again, it's pretty retarded that everyone answers calls in a beat or two, rather than finishing what they're saying, cleaning their hands, getting out of the shower, etc etc.
Stark wrote:No Johanson, when you say 'Tim to Burke', the computer has to wait for you to finish speaking before it can route your call. Thus, when their comm chirps, you've already stopped speaking, and are waiting for a response. If the comm unit aubibly says 'Time to Burke', it MUST be a repeat. It's like voice-dialling a phone: they dude on the other end doesn't hear you say 'Burke', or the numbers dialling, because that all happens before the connection is created and their end rings.
All this could be avoided if they just chirped the comms, instead of repeated the initial call request. Then again, it's pretty retarded that everyone answers calls in a beat or two, rather than finishing what they're saying, cleaning their hands, getting out of the shower, etc etc.
I thought that when you finished the opening statement that a beep went off with the right badge. And sorry for the mixup. I am mixing up my threads.
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