Bullshit, chuckles. The school can do anything this side of a strip search, including going through student property, if it feels like it has justification. The only difference between going through purses, notebooks, or cell phones and going through lockers is that because the lockers are school property, the school can open them without any justification whatsoever.outcast wrote:Amazing that people actually think schools have the right to do things like this. The school only has such power when it comes to school *property*.
So you think students can bring essentially whatever they want onto school grounds and bar the administration, which has in loco parentis rights and responsibilities, from looking inside it? By your idiot reasoning, a school cannot go through the contents of a kid's notebook, let alone search a bag for drugs or weapons.If the cellphones were handed out to students by the school, then yes, they would have that right. They didn't and don't however. The argument that if they bring it onto school grounds, that the school automatically gains the right to do with it as it pleases is a bogus one.
Complete false analogy that's already been demolished in this thread. Schools are not like your boss and they're not like the government. They have a tremendous responsibility to educate students while at the same time keeping them safe from each other and outside forces, and have--and need--enormous power to carry out this mission. There's no analogous institution anywhere in society.As ridiculous as the school confiscating student's clothes. If you don't think the government gets to go through your private affairs as an adult, you shouldn't think schools could do it if you're not an adult.
Yes, you're right. 18 year old students are still subject to the same rules as their younger counterparts. If I'm in my classroom and I decide to confiscate an 18 year old's cell phone, go through her notebook, and send her down to the office to change her clothes, I can do it and all the screeching about rights in the universe won't stop it. And the administration has far more power than I do.It's the same thing and you don't suddenly magically get more rights when you turn 18.
Bzzt. Wrong. The school can confiscate anything any student carries onto its property. We tell every single student on the first day that if they carry a phone into school and they're caught with it, it gets confiscated. Schools have a responsibility to educate their students and keep them safe, and that trumps and "right" on the part of a student to carry a cell phone.As long as the cellphones are off and can thus not disrupt regular school affairs, the school has no right whatsoever to confiscate it, and even less so to search it's records. (ofcourse, that's what encryption is for)
Do you even know what in loco parentis means? You would if you'd read the thread, but I'll repeat it: it's the legal rights of a parent transferred to an institution. Schools have that power. Students have no more "right" to have a cell phone in defiance of the schools wishes than they have a right to have a cell phone in their house in defiance of their parents' wishes.
Out here in the real world, where the grownups live, we realize there's a difference between the relationship between a government and a citizen and a school and a student. The extraordinary responsibility given to schools--a legal responsibility; schools can and have gotten sued into near bankrupcty for not taking all reasonable measures for keeping students safe--requires extraordinary powers to carry out.Quite frankly, i'm shocked to find there's as many people as there are who don't condemn this kind of fascist nonsense.
EDIT: Ah, hell.
