Killing babies in the bible

Shrykull · Post by **Shrykull** » 2006-07-14 05:00am

Another rationalization I heard for god killing babies in the bible was that they would have grown up to to be wicked people.

She used an example of Micah, that god spared growing up to be the leader of some idol worshippers.

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2006-07-14 06:30am

The Old Testament morally justifies every kind of human depravity and atrocity. That is why the most dangerous elements in Judaims, Christianity and Islam use the Old Testament as their guide.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2006-07-14 07:42am

Naturally the omnipotent god killed off the babies because it would have been against his code of sadistic joy to prevent them having been born, or change their destiny, or whatever.

Siege · Post by **Siege** » 2006-07-14 08:05am

It is all about free will, unless people grow up to be idol-worshippers in which case you can kill them beforehand... Yes, that makes plenty sense...

Count Dooku · Post by **Count Dooku** » 2006-07-14 02:13pm

What I hear the most is that god killed people in the OT as punishment for their crimes. I then bring up the dead babies, and they change the subject.

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2006-07-14 02:21pm

But many of the "crimes" that the adults are mercilessly punished for would not be seen as real crimes by our sensibilities (ie. showing compassion to people from other tribes, worshiping idols, breaking the Sabbath and slighting God's ego).

Count Dooku · Post by **Count Dooku** » 2006-07-14 02:26pm

Big Orange wrote:But many of the "crimes" that the adults are mercilessly punished for would not be seen as real crimes by our sensibilities (ie. showing compassion to people from other tribes, worshiping idols, breaking the Sabbath and slighting God's ego).

Exactly, and those things are done far more today than they 'were' in the supposed biblical times - where is god's backlash now?

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2006-07-14 02:36pm

Maybe the bloke upstairs is sleeping. All that mass genocide and baby killing must've taken it out of him.

momochan · Post by **momochan** » 2006-07-14 05:40pm

I saw atheist Eddie Tabash debate a preacher once a while back, and Eddie brought up the whole baby killing incident in the OT -- and hammered the guy on it, I might add.
The preacher responded that God knew that the parents had been killed, and He knew there would be no one to take care of the babies. Rather than have them starve, it's better to dispatch them quickly. This guy looked actually pained that we would interpret this as a big negative five points against God.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2006-07-15 12:24am

Count Dooku wrote:
Big Orange wrote:But many of the "crimes" that the adults are mercilessly punished for would not be seen as real crimes by our sensibilities (ie. showing compassion to people from other tribes, worshiping idols, breaking the Sabbath and slighting God's ego).
Exactly, and those things are done far more today than they 'were' in the supposed biblical times - where is god's backlash now?

With all the iron chariots clogging our highways, he's probably whimpering in the corner, pondering whether he should emerge from his fetal position long enough to change his shorts.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2006-07-15 12:27am

momochan wrote:I saw atheist Eddie Tabash debate a preacher once a while back, and Eddie brought up the whole baby killing incident in the OT -- and hammered the guy on it, I might add.
The preacher responded that God knew that the parents had been killed, and He knew there would be no one to take care of the babies. Rather than have them starve, it's better to dispatch them quickly. This guy looked actually pained that we would interpret this as a big negative five points against God.

So instead of using his awesome, cosmic powers to feed them himself, he pretends to be humane and shortens their suffering.

That would make god a consummate dumbshit who's too retarded to know how to use his own powers.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-07-15 09:55am

According to the Bible, we're all sinners. According to this logic, it's OK to kill babies if they will grow up to be sinners. Therefore, according to this argument and Christian doctrine, it is always OK to kill a baby.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2006-07-15 10:10am

Wow. Darth Wong has summed up in three sentences what is the most dangerous thing about a fanatic belief in the Old Testament God.

Sriad · Post by **Sriad** » 2006-07-15 03:31pm

Darth Wong wrote:According to the Bible, we're all sinners. According to this logic, it's OK to kill babies if they will grow up to be sinners. Therefore, according to this argument and Christian doctrine, it is always OK to kill a baby.

I've used this on abortion protesters before. It makes them turn many delightful colors.

Civil War Man · Post by **Civil War Man** » 2006-07-15 04:58pm

Big Orange wrote:But many of the "crimes" that the adults are mercilessly punished for would not be seen as real crimes by our sensibilities (ie. showing compassion to people from other tribes, worshiping idols, breaking the Sabbath and slighting God's ego).

Then, in certain cases, God won't punish the person who committed the crime. Usually in those cases he chooses to punish the children of the people who committed the crime (see: the 10th Egyptian plague, though in that case, he also killed the children of the followers of the person who committed the crime).

Post by **Surlethe** » 2006-07-15 05:46pm

Civil War Man wrote:Then, in certain cases, God won't punish the person who committed the crime. Usually in those cases he chooses to punish the children of the people who committed the crime (see: the 10th Egyptian plague, though in that case, he also killed the children of the followers of the person who committed the crime).

Isn't Jesus' blood on the heads of the Jews who called for his death and their children? Also, didn't God say he'd hold a grudge for ten generations?

Plekhanov · Post by **Plekhanov** » 2006-07-15 10:12pm

Darth Wong wrote:According to the Bible, we're all sinners. According to this logic, it's OK to kill babies if they will grow up to be sinners. Therefore, according to this argument and Christian doctrine, it is always OK to kill a baby.

Yeah, but only if you’re God or on his side, if a dirty athiest such as your good self were to kill a baby that would obviously be a sin.

Remember religions don’t have to be consistent they’re allowed to have double standards.

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » 2006-07-15 10:22pm

I think the really scary thing is that these insane fucks follow a religion that requires them to rationalize killing babies in the first place.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2006-07-15 11:15pm

SiegeTank wrote:It is all about free will, unless people grow up to be idol-worshippers in which case you can kill them beforehand... Yes, that makes plenty sense...

Or unless people were born from idol-worshippers, in which case you can punish them for sins their ancestors did eons ago.