WTF? Is this canon? "Universe destroyer"

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2006-07-16 04:25pm

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shawkene ... _destroyer

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2006-07-16 04:29pm

I couldn't believe it either when I first read about it at SW Wiki, but apparently, that IS canon.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2006-07-16 04:35pm

We have no way of knowing whether a manic-depressive madman's personal science project ever worked, thanks to Luke and co, but I suspect this "universe destroyer" wouldn't destroy much of anything. Come on, the guy's descendants make some hokey claim and suddenly the universe is in danger? Bah, humbug. :p

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2006-07-16 04:35pm

Well, it gives a nice round number of upper limit of firepower, ahem.*

*Comment not to be taken seriously.

Big Orange · Post by **Big Orange** » 2006-07-16 04:47pm

It sounds like the Krikkit ball, a universe killer designed by HACTAR.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2006-07-16 06:24pm

The empty void that once held my respect for ST (and the EU in particular) now has some sort of... negative respect...

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2006-07-16 06:33pm

Eh, Marvel. Not really surprising.

Wanderer · Post by **Wanderer** » 2006-07-16 06:37pm

OmegaGuy wrote:http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shawkene ... _destroyer

What drunk masturbator wrote that. He deserves a special place that we always reserve for wankers.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2006-07-16 06:46pm

Wanderer wrote:
OmegaGuy wrote:http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shawkene ... _destroyer

What drunk masturbator wrote that. He deserves a special place that we always reserve for wankers.

Mary Jo Duffy. And settle down, it's just a one-shot from a 22-year-old comic book. Nothing to have such a cow over.

Wanderer · Post by **Wanderer** » 2006-07-16 08:05pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Wanderer wrote:
OmegaGuy wrote:http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shawkene ... _destroyer

What drunk masturbator wrote that. He deserves a special place that we always reserve for wankers.
Mary Jo Duffy. And settle down, it's just a one-shot from a 22-year-old comic book. Nothing to have such a cow over.

Then I'll buy the comic and burn it

and that will be the end of it.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2006-07-16 08:26pm

The wank lies in the ideas of hyperspace-realspace collisions knocking things into hyperspace and targeting so precise the planet fragments will actually hit things. Beyond that, dragging a planet into hyperspace and blowing it up are well within SW capabilities, IIRC.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2006-07-16 10:00pm

So many books made afterwards demonstrate that hyperspace doesn't work in the way necessary for this weapon to work (not that it would work, anyway). To get into hyperspace, one needs a drive.

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2006-07-17 12:28am

I'm awfully tempted to actually use this thing in a debate, but I'm a bit scared of what the consequences might be....

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2006-07-17 12:40am

OmegaGuy wrote:I'm awfully tempted to actually use this thing in a debate, but I'm a bit scared of what the consequences might be....

You would be labeled as an idiot. The device cannot possibly work, even if it could hurl the initial planet's debris through hyperspace. At worst, it would smash up a few planets and that's it.

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2006-07-17 12:49am

StarshipTitanic wrote:So many books made afterwards demonstrate that hyperspace doesn't work in the way necessary for this weapon to work (not that it would work, anyway). To get into hyperspace, one needs a drive.

So noted.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-07-17 12:50am

StarshipTitanic wrote:
OmegaGuy wrote:I'm awfully tempted to actually use this thing in a debate, but I'm a bit scared of what the consequences might be....
You would be labeled as an idiot. The device cannot possibly work, even if it could hurl the initial planet's debris through hyperspace. At worst, it would smash up a few planets and that's it.

Hell, I was under the impression that most mass shadow collisions only annihilated the object that was actually in Hyperspace, and didn't do much damage to the realspace presence. If so, it would do essentially nothing.

Civil War Man · Post by **Civil War Man** » 2006-07-17 01:54am

Noble Ire wrote:Hell, I was under the impression that most mass shadow collisions only annihilated the object that was actually in Hyperspace, and didn't do much damage to the realspace presence. If so, it would do essentially nothing.

That's possible, though keep in mind that most common mass shadow collisons would be between a huge celestial body (like a star) in realspace and a comparatively tiny ship in hyperspace.

Post by **Surlethe** » 2006-07-17 02:00am

Remember, as a tachyonic object's energy drops, its speed increases (ref. SWTC). While the effects of a collision with a planet would be severe on the planet, it would certainly not cause the planet to jump into hyperspace, and would have the effect of dispersing and speeding up the fragments of the ship, or whatever object collided with the planet.

Covenant · Post by **Covenant** » 2006-07-17 02:56am

What is the effect of a hyperspace object travelling through something of substantial mass? I know next to nothing about the actual examples we're ever presented with, if any, of stuff slamming into other stuff. Assuming the gravity sensor thingies were disabled, and you fired up your hyperdrive, and aimed it for an ISD or a star or a planet, what could you expect to happen?

Post by **Surlethe** » 2006-07-17 04:16am

Covenant wrote:What is the effect of a hyperspace object travelling through something of substantial mass? I know next to nothing about the actual examples we're ever presented with, if any, of stuff slamming into other stuff. Assuming the gravity sensor thingies were disabled, and you fired up your hyperdrive, and aimed it for an ISD or a star or a planet, what could you expect to happen?

I would assume that you would transfer some of your energy to the object, resulting in an explosion; the rest of your mass would scatter, travelling faster because it has less energy; the object you hit would have had lots of energy transferred to it, possibly scattering its mass; and both cases will lead to serious damage to equipment on both sides. At least, that's the best I know how to make of it; I don't think anybody knows how imaginary mass will interact with real mass.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2006-07-17 04:57am

According to the Corellian Trilogy if you aim a ship with a hyperdrive, kick the safty's off and try and fly through the mass-shadow. It burns out the hyperdrive... rather explosivly and if the hypedrive's total failure does not destroy you. The shock reversion to realspace will.

Picture the mass shadow as a invisble brick wall in space surronding an object like say a planet. With the safeties off you slam into that brick wall of the mass-shadow, sure you might be able to "break" your way through the first wall, but there's a bigger and thicker wall just behind it, and one behind that, each getting more dense as you go along, and your "engine" (In this case your hyperdrive) is activly holding you in hyperspace, once it fails or stops, you pop back into realspace. The problem with trying to jump "through" a mass-shadow is that sooner or later when your hyperdrive fails, the stress generated on it HAS to go somewhere. And that somewhere is into the frame and mountings of your ship.

So you can't acutaly hit any large celesital object via hyperspace since the drive would burn out first. Interdiction ships apprently also project enough of a powerful mass-shadow to trip the safety's on a hyperdrive in a very large area.
The fact that no one kicks the safties off and runs for it, indicates that either safties are VERY hard-wired, or that a mass-shadow field from an Interdictor is powerful enough to acutal burn out active hyperdrives at some range.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2006-07-17 05:17am

from everything I've read/seen it seems to me that travelling without hyperdrive safeties is like playing russian rulette with an automatic pistol and IIRC in the thrawn trilogy it was said that gravitic pulses created by the Interdictors are in the same scale as the mass shadows of planets.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2006-07-17 05:47am

Did the creator of this (in- and out of universe) even know, how big and especially EMPTY space actually is?

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-07-17 01:06pm

FTeik wrote:Did the creator of this (in- and out of universe) even know, how big and especially EMPTY space actually is?

Probably. Nevertheless, ships do have to pass near star systems sometimes, especially when they actually enter them. I don't see what that has to do with the actual functioning characteristics of Hyperspace travel, convoluted as they are.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2006-07-17 01:49pm

Noble Ire wrote:
FTeik wrote:Did the creator of this (in- and out of universe) even know, how big and especially EMPTY space actually is?
Probably. Nevertheless, ships do have to pass near star systems sometimes, especially when they actually enter them. I don't see what that has to do with the actual functioning characteristics of Hyperspace travel, convoluted as they are.

I wasn't talking about ships. I was talking about this joke of a superweapon.

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