Opinion of Ex Astris Scientia

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-18 07:39pm

What's your opinion of the Star Trek website Ex Astris Scientia?

Personally, I enjoy it a lot. Especially the Starfleet Museum section.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-12-18 07:45pm

Sites okay, the creator evidently hates SD.net with a passion.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2002-12-18 08:04pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:Sites okay, the creator evidently hates SD.net with a passion.

He doesn't let it seep into the sight itself, especially given its a pure ST sight.

That said, I love the place. Its an incredible resource for information and analysis of information. I don't always agree with all of his interpretations, but the supporting evidence is first rate.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-18 08:05pm

It's certainly better than Kennedy's BS site.

ViciousMink · Post by **ViciousMink** » 2002-12-18 08:16pm

I don't peruse the mothersite all that much unless I'm looking for schematics, but the Starfleet Museum site is a joy to behold. I read it and all I can do is sigh and think that THIS is how Enterprise should have been. Oh, well. I'm glad he's continuing it in spite of the existence of Enterprise.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2002-12-18 08:17pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:It's certainly better than Kennedy's BS site.

Which he awarded his highest award to. Look in the links.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-18 08:18pm

I know that, doorknob.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-18 08:20pm

Oh, and Bernd Schneider doesn't do the Starfleet Museum: Masao Okazaki does.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2002-12-18 08:40pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I know that, doorknob.

And I would know this...how?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-12-18 08:46pm

Site: Good.
Forums: nth level of hell.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2002-12-18 08:47pm

Ender wrote:Site: Good.
Forums: nth level of hell.

All depends on how well you can fit in.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-12-18 08:51pm

The site is good, the author's a dumbass.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-18 09:18pm

Perhaps I should post some of the E-mails I exchanged with him a few years ago, when he tried to convince me that I was wrong.

One of his funniest comments was that magic go-cylinders on skinny pylons are more "realistic" than a "big fireplace at the back of the ship", like an ISD ... or a Saturn V. I also liked his deranged insistence that pure field-based technology (read: phaser strips which presumably redirect the output stream with fields) is inherently lossless, with perfect accuracy (unlike "primitive turrets"). Yes, it's the "not sure how it works, therefore it's omnipotent" fallacy

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-12-18 09:43pm

Perhaps I should post some of the E-mails I exchanged with him a few years ago, when he tried to convince me that I was wrong.

Do it!

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2002-12-19 12:01am

Darth Wong wrote:Perhaps I should post some of the E-mails I exchanged with him a few years ago, when he tried to convince me that I was wrong.

[E-mail paraphrased]

Ah, that explains his attitude toward you and the entire Vs. debate. I don't think he's bad at heart... he just prefers Trek over anything else. *shrug*

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2002-12-19 12:44am

Q: Can you help me? I need to prove that an Imperial Star Destroyer wouldn't stand a chance against a Starfleet Sovereign class.

A: No! Never bother me with such childish requests. The two science fiction universes were designed to remain strictly separate. While it is already hard to apply the rules of real-world physics to either of them, the two fictions are absolutely irreconcilable with each other. You are free to create a cross-over fan fiction, but don't expect it to make any sense, much less expect to find any valid "proof" why your ship should be superior to one of a different universe. And aside from that, I hate the fanboyish bias of cross-over fiction that seems to fulfill the only purpose to disparage the other fiction. You will receive no support whatsoever from me in such an attempt.

Comments?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-19 12:45am

Don't hijack my thread, you bitch.

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2002-12-19 12:57am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Don't hijack my thread, you bitch.

Haven't you done enough whining for one day already?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-19 12:58am

Eat me.

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2002-12-19 01:00am

As far as Star Trek sites go, it shares many of their usuals. For instance:

[quote]As it looks on screen, most notably in "Star Trek: The Final Frontier", the photon torpedoes always need several seconds from the launch to the impact. If the target is several kilometers away, their speed would be only a few thousand kilometers per hour, not faster than a present-day missile. Well, we have to take into account the "dramaturgic" close distance of the fighting ships too (see further below). Still, the time of several seconds to the impact remains, enough in my opinion to target the approaching torpedo with the phasers and destroy it. It seems we have to accept both the facts that the target is usually shown closer than it actually is and, in addition, photon torpedoes are slower than they should be.[/unquote]

Translation: The visuals are inaccurate. They are mere SFX or "dramaturgic" effects.

In other words, I can only grade this an "average" Trek site

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-19 01:07am

His site is one of the better Trek sites, which is rather sad because like the rest, it's wholeheartedly pseudoscientific. It makes no attempt to be objective or empirical, apart from "art analysis" efforts such as figuring out the sizes of ships. Observations are useful when they fit expectations, and discarded when they don't.

And of course, they get upset when this is pointed out, so they retort with the strawman that if we "put Star Trek in a scientific straitjacket", then there's no warp drive. As if empiricism and objectivity require this "straitjacket" of theirs.

Moonshadow · Post by **Moonshadow** » 2002-12-19 01:13am

its a pretty good site( i wouldn't say its a great site, but i don't rate this a "great site" either. Its pretty hard the get a "great site" rating from me)

The Wolf 359 section and the Museum Section is pretty good and it has some nice infor on both Canon and Non Canon/ Fanfic Starships in the Database section.. I think he's a little hard on the Centaur Class though. I think its not a bad looking ship myself.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2002-12-19 01:23am

I rather like it. He is not perfect, but he does accept the limitations of ST to some degree. He also appears to dislike the "Enterprise" BS and accepts the fact that B&B care little for continuity. Graphicly its a very nice site, but for analitical purposes its lacking.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2002-12-19 06:58am

rated it ok. Untill i see the day that a ST site admits that SW is better i'll never give one better than ok. Still the author of this shie doesn't have his head up his ass trying to claim Soverigns are 10KM long like one site i saw.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-12-19 07:20am

You nkow Darth Pounder not everything is about Vs, ST does exist as a seperate entity.

The site seems to try and give trek some internal consistency (good luck with that) and I suspect thats why its closer to being a literary analysis than a strictly scientific one (because he can treat it like TV show and let some things pass unlike Vs debating).

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