Ultimate Star Wars vs Star Trek Movie

LeftWingExtremist · Post by **LeftWingExtremist** » 2006-07-20 09:54pm

Again Thats why I suggested the fight could be between any torpedo armed fighter and the enteprise. At least said battle would last a little longer. Either that or the film is going to have to be lengthened by dialogue or your going to have to give the enteprise extra firepower.

Another idea is you could make the imperials have to capture the ship, it would be a good way to show examples of how stormies are better than red shirts. Just an idea.

Shadowtraveler · Post by **Shadowtraveler** » 2006-07-20 10:20pm

I'd go with the Galaxy-class. Sure, it may not be the most advanced of the two, but it's symbolic.

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2006-07-20 11:39pm

Ok, we're going with the Sovvie.

There will be no problem making the movie five minutes long. The ISD will enter the Milky Way, there will be a plot device, but not character shields.

Ok, time to work on the teaser...

EnterpriseSovereign · Post by **EnterpriseSovereign** » 2006-07-21 05:45am

LeftWingExtremist wrote:Again Thats why I suggested the fight could be between any torpedo armed fighter and the enteprise. At least said battle would last a little longer. Either that or the film is going to have to be lengthened by dialogue or your going to have to give the enteprise extra firepower.

Another idea is you could make the imperials have to capture the ship, it would be a good way to show examples of how stormies are better than red shirts. Just an idea.

Stormtroopers vs Redshirts? Stormtroopers can't hit the broad side of a barn, Redshirts always die. It's like an immovable object meets an irresistable force

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2006-07-21 07:25am

EnterpriseSovereign wrote:
LeftWingExtremist wrote:Again Thats why I suggested the fight could be between any torpedo armed fighter and the enteprise. At least said battle would last a little longer. Either that or the film is going to have to be lengthened by dialogue or your going to have to give the enteprise extra firepower.

Another idea is you could make the imperials have to capture the ship, it would be a good way to show examples of how stormies are better than red shirts. Just an idea.
Stormtroopers vs Redshirts? Stormtroopers can't hit the broad side of a NAMED barn, Redshirts always die. It's like an immovable object meets an irresistable force

Corrected

, Stormtroopers are actually damn competent when not fighting anyone with a last name (you need Clonetroopers for that

).

I'd say that the battle of Wolf-359 might be best, at least for the sequel

, since it would be easier to show, say a heavily damaged, malfunctioning Acclamator ripping through Trek ships like tissue paper

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2006-07-21 09:18am

Lord Poe wrote:Ok, we're going with the Sovvie.

There will be no problem making the movie five minutes long. The ISD will enter the Milky Way, there will be a plot device, but not character shields.

Ok, time to work on the teaser...

Make it end with a BDZ of Earth and you will be my god.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2006-07-21 01:56pm

EnterpriseSovereign wrote:Stormtroopers vs Redshirts? Stormtroopers can't hit the broad side of a barn, Redshirts always die. It's like an immovable object meets an irresistable force

Funny how trekkies seem to forget that the Stormtroopers were under orders to let the rebels escape on the DS1, Bespin and to take prisoners, not kill at Endor.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2006-07-21 02:03pm

OmegaGuy wrote:
Lord Poe wrote:Ok, we're going with the Sovvie.

There will be no problem making the movie five minutes long. The ISD will enter the Milky Way, there will be a plot device, but not character shields.

Ok, time to work on the teaser...
Make it end with a BDZ of Earth and you will be my god.

SECONDED AND THIRDED!

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2006-07-21 02:05pm

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
OmegaGuy wrote:Make it end with a BDZ of Earth and you will be my god.
SECONDED AND THIRDED!

Have Wesley Crusher and Nelix be at ground zero of the first shot.

Covenant · Post by **Covenant** » 2006-07-21 03:14pm

Darth Servo wrote:
EnterpriseSovereign wrote:Stormtroopers vs Redshirts? Stormtroopers can't hit the broad side of a barn, Redshirts always die. It's like an immovable object meets an irresistable force
Funny how trekkies seem to forget that the Stormtroopers were under orders to let the rebels escape on the DS1, Bespin and to take prisoners, not kill at Endor.

I've heard that several times--Bespin I suppose I could imagine, but DS1? Why would that be? What material stated that the stormies were ordered to miss just barely over and over again, while getting shot?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2006-07-21 03:16pm

Covenant wrote:
Darth Servo wrote:
EnterpriseSovereign wrote:Stormtroopers vs Redshirts? Stormtroopers can't hit the broad side of a barn, Redshirts always die. It's like an immovable object meets an irresistable force
Funny how trekkies seem to forget that the Stormtroopers were under orders to let the rebels escape on the DS1, Bespin and to take prisoners, not kill at Endor.
I've heard that several times--Bespin I suppose I could imagine, but DS1? Why would that be? What material stated that the stormies were ordered to miss just barely over and over again, while getting shot?

So on the Death Star, how exactly is the tracking beacon going to be used again if the Princess and the others don't escape? Blind luck?

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2006-07-21 03:25pm

Ghost Rider wrote:
Covenant wrote:
Darth Servo wrote: Funny how trekkies seem to forget that the Stormtroopers were under orders to let the rebels escape on the DS1, Bespin and to take prisoners, not kill at Endor.
I've heard that several times--Bespin I suppose I could imagine, but DS1? Why would that be? What material stated that the stormies were ordered to miss just barely over and over again, while getting shot?
So on the Death Star, how exactly is the tracking beacon going to be used again if the Princess and the others don't escape? Blind luck?

I always though that was just Plan B. Afterall, Vader has Leia who couldn't resist torture forever and there's no reason to think she would have the Falcon fly straight to the Rebel's base. And even that plan B only worked because despite Han and Leia realising something was wrong about their escape, they still didn't bother to search the ship for the beacon or have leia transferred to another ship for the final leg to the base.

If the Stormtroopers really were ordered to take a fall, it's not exactly the most airtight of plans.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2006-07-21 03:25pm

Covenant wrote:I've heard that several times--Bespin I suppose I could imagine, but DS1? Why would that be? What material stated that the stormies were ordered to miss just barely over and over again, while getting shot?

Council room just after capturing the Falcon
Tarkin: yes?
Imp officer over intercom: We've captured a freighter entering the remains of the Alderaan system. Its markings match those of a ship that blasted its way out of Mos Eisley.
Vader: They must be trying to return the stolen plans to the princess. She may yet be of some use to us.

Obi-Wan exiting tractor beam control scene
Stormie 1: Do you know whats going on?
Stormie 2: Maybe its another drill.

DS1 after Falcon escapes
Tarkin: Are they away?
Vader: They've just made the jump into hyperspace.
Tarkin: You're sure the homing beacon is secure abord their ship? I'm taking an awful risk Vader. This had better work.

Falcon cockpit after escape
Han: Not a bad bit of rescuing. You know sometimes I amaze even myself.
Leia: That doesn't sound to hard. They let us go. Its the only explanation for the ease of our escape.
Han: Easy? You call that easy?
Leia: They're tracking us.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2006-07-21 03:26pm

Vader: They must be trying to return the stolen plans to the princess. She may yet be of some use to us.

The other quotes don't prove anything but this is pretty damning. Is tere anything in the novelisation about the plan?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2006-07-21 03:28pm

Bounty wrote:I always though that was just Plan B. Afterall, Vader has Leia who couldn't resist torture forever and there's no reason to think she would have the Falcon fly straight to the Rebel's base. And even that plan B only worked because despite Han and Leia realising something was wrong about their escape, they still didn't bother to search the ship for the beacon or have leia transferred to another ship for the final leg to the base.

If the Stormtroopers really were ordered to take a fall, it's not exactly the most airtight of plans.

Even if you're right, they STILL would be ordered to not shoot to kill. Afterall, Leia wouldn't be any good to them dead.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2006-07-21 03:30pm

Bounty wrote:
Vader: They must be trying to return the stolen plans to the princess. She may yet be of some use to us.
The other quotes don't prove anything but this is pretty damning. Is tere anything in the novelisation about the plan?

The stormie one proves they are NOT under orders to kill the intruders since orders like "intruders matching this description are to be shot on sight. This is not a drill" won't lead two stormies to wonder if it might be a drill.

Leia spells out that they were indeed being tracked and Tarkin confirms the planted homing beacon.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2006-07-21 03:32pm

One last thing, Tarkin had ordered Leia to be terminated right before they capture the Falcon so clearly they weren't planning to interrogate her anymore.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2006-07-21 03:33pm

Bounty wrote:
Vader: They must be trying to return the stolen plans to the princess. She may yet be of some use to us.
The other quotes don't prove anything but this is pretty damning. Is tere anything in the novelisation about the plan?

It expands upon it that Tarkin specifically says "They are probably congratulating themselves on their daring and success."

Still this more then shows unless proof otherwise that both Tarkin and Vader were in on something specific, rather then just go "Let's see what happens."

Also like Servo showed in quotes, Leia actually says given the ease of their escape. She notes that the fact they left that place in such a manner was unusual and notes the inclination of tracking. A little odd given that they had easily the power to snuff these people's lives out, and as to coming back to the original point?

Both ANH and RoTJ demonstrate that Stormtroopers can do snap shots(RoTJ) as well as Obi Wan noting their accuracy. they are not the bumbling babbons people constantly make them to be.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2006-07-21 03:33pm

Damn no edit button

Doesn't Tarkin saying he's taking a risk indicate it was deliberate?

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2006-07-21 03:37pm

Okay, they were let out easy. Point taken, the beacon wasn't plan B.

(The way I thought it went was that Leia & the gang's escape from the detention block was unexpected, Vader had the beacon planted while they were heading for the landing bay and he stopped more TIEs from going after the Falcon)

Covenant · Post by **Covenant** » 2006-07-21 04:45pm

Thanks for the good response--those quotes are really good. Now I too believe they got herded off the Death Star, and would hopefully buzz right off towards a rebel base, or a rebel safehouse, or SOMETHING they could use.

Cool! Those clever Imperials. ;D

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2006-07-22 01:01am

Uh, hey gents, just in case anyone's forgotten:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAF3HhX0K_8

Covenant · Post by **Covenant** » 2006-07-22 03:03am

I always wanted to see the Stormtroopers actually in action. Besides when they shoot at the hero characters or Ewoks, Stormies generally burst into a room, fire at the camera, and then run past dead rebels. Obi-Wan had a great deal of respect for their marksmanship though--so they must have been pretty effective soldiers.

Elfdart · Post by **Elfdart** » 2006-07-22 03:04am

LeftWingExtremist wrote:The problem is any depiction of a battle below ISD vs the entire federation starfleet is going to be over in a few seconds. Unless you string it out with dialogue its gonna be a prett damned short film.

Like Bambi vs. Godzilla

LINK

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2006-07-22 03:50am

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