Question about MAGNETO...

Skelron · Post by **Skelron** » 2002-12-18 11:53pm

although this topic is dead, I wanted to point out, that while it seems they are F**king up X-Men at the moment. (For standard X-men I'm two years behind we've just had the Twelve of Apocalpyse which was cool, well wolvie as death was anyway.) The Ultimate line is well worth a read. Xavier is a lot more willing to use his powers, yeah sure we have a moral compass he dosn't read peoples minds BUT when the defeated Magneto he shut down his old personality and gave hi,m a new one, trying to rehabilitate the man. (While making the world think Magneto was dead.) The New version of the Phoneix saga had Jean grey attempting to switch the minds and personality's of the entire world and succeding!
Wolvie was sent to assinate Xavier by Magneto, but then switched sides. (This version of Wolvie's Weapon X training means he can't have his mind read unless he lets you in....)
and well it's just fantastic the entire ultimate verse is. My only problem is a slight continuity error. Marvel Team up, (Which goes rapidly from a good comic to STUPID STUPID STUPID, depending on the issue, but anyway) they did a story involving Ultimate Punisher, Ultimate Daredevil and Ultimate Spidy. and Now we have Ultimate Daredevil and Elektra. Whats the problem? well in Ultimate Daredevil and Elecktra they are still at Collage, and Daredevil does not have his red suit... but in Team up he's a Lawyer and does...

Having said that the Ultimate comics work well, and whatever other problems you have MArvel they don't extend... yet to the Ultimate verse

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2002-12-19 01:12am

MKSheppard wrote:Actually, that's what happened to Frank. He got overconfident and tried to attack doom, but Doom beat the living crap out of him and was giving him the standard Doom Speech (TM) about how pathetic he was before he killed Frank, and that gave frank enough time to play his ace-in-the-hole, a electrical feedback device that blew out all of Doom's replica androids, and shorted out Doom's armor, leaving Doom helpless on the floor....

Frank then got a sledge and slowly worked over doom

That is wrong in so many ways. REED RICHARDS, who is smarter than The Punisher the same way Albert Einstein is smarter than Jar Jar Binks, couldn't do anything like that. There is logically no freaking way that Punisher could take out Doom.

Besides, I guess the writers conviniently forgot that Doom is also a master magician. He could have cast a spell to turn Punisher into a toad.

Punisher kills the Marvel Universe is a prime example of horrid writing.

Skelron · Post by **Skelron** » 2002-12-19 01:18am

Skelron wrote:The New version of the Phoneix saga had Jean grey attempting to switch the minds and personality's of the entire world and succeding!

Sorry ment to say and starting to succed. (it also has the Hellfire club as being worshippers of the Phonix as a type of God, and funding the X-men to get close to Jean Grey. (Their big bid for world domination) In Ultimate verse the X-men is sponspered to begin with, xavier now has all those lovely funds through. Well Jean Grey did wipe out the inner Circle of the Hellfire club after all.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-12-19 02:57am

Yogi wrote:
MKSheppard wrote:Actually, that's what happened to Frank. He got overconfident and tried to attack doom, but Doom beat the living crap out of him and was giving him the standard Doom Speech (TM) about how pathetic he was before he killed Frank, and that gave frank enough time to play his ace-in-the-hole, a electrical feedback device that blew out all of Doom's replica androids, and shorted out Doom's armor, leaving Doom helpless on the floor....

Frank then got a sledge and slowly worked over doom
That is wrong in so many ways. REED RICHARDS, who is smarter than The Punisher the same way Albert Einstein is smarter than Jar Jar Binks, couldn't do anything like that. There is logically no freaking way that Punisher could take out Doom.

Besides, I guess the writers conviniently forgot that Doom is also a master magician. He could have cast a spell to turn Punisher into a toad.

Punisher kills the Marvel Universe is a prime example of horrid writing.

That was pretty close to my AIM comment to Sheppard on the same subject. I pointed out that in raw power Doom is second only to Dr. Strange. Doom is actually MORE paraniod then Strange. Doom actually has more wards & protective spells up then Strange does.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-19 10:46am

Well given that Punisher...could in theory have just caught him in an off day...and also he made sure it was Doom and not a Doom bot(which tends to give the thought that Doom was caught on an off day). That and magical resource, remeber that somehow Frank caught all these people basically on an off day(I could give Hulk but too many were taken this venture was purely in Punisher's favor and not in their favor.

As for saying it poor writing, I say it's poor gauging of talents, less about story telling given that the story wasn't about anything more than what if Punisher blamed the heroes of Marvel and in the end kills a friend in pure rage, nothing about gauging how much a wankfest of powers Marvel is. Which I say says a lot about Yogi NOT reading the damn book and just intepreting from comments.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2002-12-19 11:59am

Something of this order of stupidity, no one should really even have to comment on. Seeing as there is no known way to tell Doom from a Doom-bot (at least, the smartest man in the world hasn't figured out a way yet), that superhero teams orders of magniture smarter and more powerful than some guy with guns couldn't take down Doom, and that according to massive computer simulations done by the top research institutes state that if Doom wanted to, he could conquer the world at any time, some street level punk who spends his time taking out other street level punks is fairly ludicrous. Unfortunatly, this evidently needs pointing out to some people, so I pointed it out.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-12-19 10:28pm

Hell even Sabertooth & Wolverine can't tell the difference between a doombot & Doomhimself.....

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-19 11:49pm

That's the point...applying logic to why comic book people do things make no sense whatsoever.

Character experiences point of damned stupidity(Doom is suddenly overwhelmed and his plan falls to pieces EVERY time because of what, arrogance, outright stupidity, overestimating dumb street punks(johnny storm, Thing...) etc?!)

The point is that applying any true logic you finds the Marvel universe so berfet of it you have to wonder how the hell the US government is using normal modern tech when when they weapons that can resist a nuclear attack(the latest series Sentinel...of which are man-sized and regenerate from virtually nothing) and have genius such as Stark providing weaponry for them(alien tech that can propel through hyperspace and the US gov't has yet to put a space station in orbit in the Marvelverse?!)

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2002-12-20 10:06am

Ghost Rider wrote:That's the point...applying logic to why comic book people do things make no sense whatsoever.

Character experiences point of damned stupidity(Doom is suddenly overwhelmed and his plan falls to pieces EVERY time because of what, arrogance, outright stupidity, overestimating dumb street punks(johnny storm, Thing...) etc?!)

The point is that applying any true logic you finds the Marvel universe so berfet of it you have to wonder how the hell the US government is using normal modern tech when when they weapons that can resist a nuclear attack(the latest series Sentinel...of which are man-sized and regenerate from virtually nothing) and have genius such as Stark providing weaponry for them(alien tech that can propel through hyperspace and the US gov't has yet to put a space station in orbit in the Marvelverse?!)

That's one of the reasons The Planetary is such an entertaining book. A version of the FF is basically the villan of the book because what else would explain all the cool stuff the FF has not leaking out into the rest of society?

I was a little disappointed that Godzilla was killed back in the 70s though.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-20 11:25am

True...Planetary was nice...so are some others. Personally why I like Lucifer...you follow the villain, and his plans do not fail, because he makes them and counters the plans of his antagonist, not just sit there and wonder why some moron who can barely spell his name foiled hiim at his most critical juncture.

I like when either heroes or villains don't have plans fall apart because of overwhelming arrogance(sorry this has been literally the problem with every supoer villain, as they make a Bondesque talk and wonder why the heroes somehow foiled their 'perfect' plan).

And that is my problem going logically Doom, Magneto, Skull, Luthor...etc shoulda coulda would won. Sorry, logically they shoulda, coulda killed the hero with a gun or crush their brains and not set them into the maze of Doom with only 10 minutes to find the exit.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-12-21 03:07am

I mean Luthor is now the President, He knows supes is an Alien. Why not just deport him.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-12-21 03:19am

The Yosemite Bear wrote:I mean Luthor is now the President, He knows supes is an Alien. Why not just deport him.

He was granted honorary citizenship in every country of the world I think.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2002-12-21 10:25am

Ghost Rider wrote:True...Planetary was nice...so are some others. Personally why I like Lucifer...you follow the villain, and his plans do not fail, because he makes them and counters the plans of his antagonist, not just sit there and wonder why some moron who can barely spell his name foiled hiim at his most critical juncture.

I like when either heroes or villains don't have plans fall apart because of overwhelming arrogance(sorry this has been literally the problem with every supoer villain, as they make a Bondesque talk and wonder why the heroes somehow foiled their 'perfect' plan).

And that is my problem going logically Doom, Magneto, Skull, Luthor...etc shoulda coulda would won. Sorry, logically they shoulda, coulda killed the hero with a gun or crush their brains and not set them into the maze of Doom with only 10 minutes to find the exit.

I know what you mean. At least they finally made a point of this flaw within the character of Thanos. He always left a little opening so he'd end up failing at his ulitimate goal. Actually he'd usually lose after his plan worked but that's basically the same.

One of the reasons I liked Doom 2099 was because the writers didn't have to keep coming up with stupid reasons why Doom was blowing it. Since it was his book he was supposed to win.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-21 01:12pm

Actually Superman was born on US soil(well that's the John Byrne revisement.)

And Luthor would have a helluva time trying to deport and not recieve the wrath of virtually the USA on his bald head

And yeah Tsyroc...I want more villain books because sorry these guys come up with grand plans...and always fail loses something as time goes on.