Space Empires IV Gold Game

Covenant · Post by **Covenant** » 2006-06-28 04:32pm

Nephtys wrote:Excellent. All is moving as I have forseen.

Only if what you have forseen is your impending DOOOOOOOOM! Which it may be.

GuppyShark · Post by **GuppyShark** » 2006-06-28 06:24pm

brianeyci wrote:Is anybody seeing the Orelius Minor Confederation in their player login screen?

Brian

Puppet Political Parties for the win.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-07-01 12:52am

Nephtys wrote:Isn't this an exciting turn?

Incredible. You saved your homeworld. You predicted my favourite fleet formation. Your ships are pretty near invincible.

Flawless victory. GG.

Brian

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2006-07-01 01:06am

brianeyci wrote:
Nephtys wrote:Isn't this an exciting turn?
Incredible. You saved your homeworld. You predicted my favourite fleet formation. Your ships are pretty near invincible.

Flawless victory. GG.

Brian

Yeah, I saw that coming at least when the turn first ran without Covenant's turn in it. I scanned your ship stats earlier so I knew your speed, so a formation around a planet would break a beeline towards that nearest planet.

A pity my 'secret weapon' didn't seem to do much due to your fleet formation. They were my ace in the hole... which fell flat. It also helped that my grand fleet was at a training center over that planet that was within reach. I've got very little elsewhere save regional defense groups, you just got unlucky there.

*GG*

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-07-01 01:29am

Nephtys wrote:I've got very little elsewhere save regional defense groups, you just got unlucky there.

*GG*

No, no luck this time unlike last game, it was all skills. You planned everything from the beginning and so did I, but your plan was better than mine. Waiting for bigger hulls was better than building a shitload of lightly armed resource ships, and shields + armor + double damage to shield weapons + armor piercing weapons > shields + armor + depleter and pulse combo.

I also simmed your Yiithans against my next generation Galaxies and you come out every time... double damage to shield weapons + armor piercing weapons > shield burners + pulse. Something I should have known from our fourth generation torpedo + armor skipping ships from last game, logically a double damage to shields + armor skipping would be even better than that, but I tried to get creative this time and my experiment with the pulse and depleter combo fell flat on its face lol. So even if I hadn't attacked now, your designs would outclass my designs anywhere anytime.

You also had to know Tuxedo was going for a warp point opener, and you had to know that with my ships being so slow I had to be getting a warp point attack ready and you had to know that I'd attack your eastern most planet first. So no luck, all skills, completely outmaneuvered strategically and tactically.

GG

.

Brian

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2006-07-01 01:46am

Bigger hulls is required for my race. My special racial shields are rubbish (their 'special phased' ability affects NO weapons in this mod), I don't get Q-Torps, and every single ship size except Dreadnaught is a waste of time. Heck, my 750 battlecruiser yithians have a 10 percent maintenance penalty!

My racial buildings? Pretty bad. Woot wooo, +5 percent systemwide organics production. Or 1500 planetary shield points (gasp That's three whole planetary napalms!) after only 8 turns of production...

I'm pretty much shoe-horned into that configuration. I was hoping the special weapons would make a diff, but you were prepared.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-07-01 01:52am

Anyway this makes me wonder what to do now. Usually when I see defeat's inevitable in a competitive game I quit. But there's an RP thread started and I'm partnered to Tux so I feel like I should fight to the last man and delay Nephtys for as long as I can so Tux has more of a fighting chance.

Now I know how Tuxedo felt lol. The other option... becoming one of Neph's subjugates, isn't an option, mostly because I partnered with Tux and I'm not going back on that, but also because I can't stand the thought of being tied up and being whipped lol. It was a competitive game to start out with and even though there's RP it's a clear defeat.

In fact I'd go so far as to predict Nephtys capable of defeating everybody combined, especially in the next ten turns after she captures my homeworlds and possibly Tuxedo's. Her designs are too good and there's nobody else who can deal with them.

So for me, I feel like quitting lol. Like chess players who see the inevitable mate in five, it's hard for me to enjoy playing if I know I have to fight to the death, and since I'm not gonna go back on my partnership with Tuxedo, if I stayed it'd basically be fighting to the death. Decisions decisions lol.

Brian

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2006-07-01 01:54am

Ships mean very little, Brian. Trogdor's King Falcons were unstoppable by conventional means, but we got lucky then. It's still a damned close match... not to mention capturing a planet is a tricky proposition still.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-07-01 02:01am

Nephtys wrote:Ships mean very little, Brian. Trogdor's King Falcons were unstoppable by conventional means, but we got lucky then. It's still a damned close match... not to mention capturing a planet is a tricky proposition still.

Stop saying this time was luck it was skill lol. Yeah, but you are basically one turn away from glassing all my homeworlds so the situation's a little different. It feels like cheese making some kind of RP excuse for you to subjugate and it's impossible given my agreement with Tuxedo so it's a fight to the death.

And of course, chessmasters always drop their kings before a mate... and it's a clear cut checkmate heh heh. I am thinking of gifting my worlds and ships to Tuxedo.

Brian

Covenant · Post by **Covenant** » 2006-07-01 02:03am

brianeyci wrote:In fact I'd go so far as to predict Nephtys capable of defeating everybody combined, especially in the next ten turns after she captures my homeworlds and possibly Tuxedo's. Her designs are too good and there's nobody else who can deal with them.

My Cardies are most offended to hear of your utter disregard for our fighting potential! Seriously, I'm not sure why you're discounting everyone else. You need to not only check the scores, but look around a bit. She's not the heaviest hitter in the ballpark at the moment.

Plus, nobody said you need to defeat her to still scrape out a defensive position you're capable of defending. You're making rash judgements. :p

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-07-01 02:07am

I'm not discounting everybody else I'm discounting myself lol. I was making a prediction and when I'm right I will get the glory of finger pointing and saying "I told you so" heh heh.

Brian

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2006-07-01 02:09am

On the one hand, I don't like losing. On the other, I don't have much invested emotionally in this game, so it wouldn't be a big deal. Not like the last game. Now that several months have gone by I don't mind admitting that I really hated losing to you and Brian.

Still, I have yet to see a ship design or strategy in the ST mod that has no counter, and I'm not quite ready to give up hope yet. I've noticed that Brian tends to be quite the fatalist. After all, I demolished the first Borg invasion fleet and Trogdor mopped the floor with the first Ferengi one, yet we still managed to lose the game.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-07-01 02:21am

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:Now that several months have gone by I don't mind admitting that I really hated losing to you and Brian.

Yeah well I am kind of a braggart so it must've been like rubbing salt in a gash when I posted huge twenty page dissertations about my torpedo boats lol.

Still, I have yet to see a ship design or strategy in the ST mod that has no counter, and I'm not quite ready to give up hope yet. I've noticed that Brian tends to be quite the fatalist. After all, I demolished the first Borg invasion fleet and Trogdor mopped the floor with the first Ferengi one, yet we still managed to lose the game.

I expected you to counter attack after Neph lost her fleet. If you had we would have lost

.

Anyway fine, I'll play a couple more turns but I see glass glass everywhere.

Brian

Covenant · Post by **Covenant** » 2006-07-01 02:21am

Just don't go and surrender--that would not only be premature, but rather unsporting!

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-07-01 02:23am

Covenant wrote:Just don't go and surrender--that would not only be premature, but rather unsporting!

No I can't do that. The worst that'll happen is I give Tuxedo my shit before I quit and he uses it for whatever he wants. I'm joined at the hip with him this game and in Adamant, both OOC decisions so I can't do anything that would hurt him.

Brian

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2006-07-01 02:40am

brianeyci wrote:
Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:Now that several months have gone by I don't mind admitting that I really hated losing to you and Brian.
Yeah well I am kind of a braggart so it must've been like rubbing salt in a gash when I posted huge twenty page dissertations about my torpedo boats lol.

That didn't help, but you were entitled.

Still, I have yet to see a ship design or strategy in the ST mod that has no counter, and I'm not quite ready to give up hope yet. I've noticed that Brian tends to be quite the fatalist. After all, I demolished the first Borg invasion fleet and Trogdor mopped the floor with the first Ferengi one, yet we still managed to lose the game.
I expected you to counter attack after Neph lost her fleet. If you had we would have lost .

That was my McClellan tendencies there. I didn't want to build a serious fleet until I could build Juggernaughts with maxed out weapons and propulsion tech, so I didn't have any ships to counter-attack with at that time.

Anyway fine, I'll play a couple more turns but I see glass glass everywhere.

Brian

It's not over 'til it's over.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-07-01 02:44am

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:That didn't help, but you were entitled.

Yeah well I'm still waiting for the day when we fight each other again. Because I know you'll be ten times the player you were before and I like challenges lol. Strange that we're together in Adamant and this game. Maybe we'll fight in B5 but I doubt it.

That was my McClellan tendencies there. I didn't want to build a serious fleet until I could build Juggernaughts with maxed out weapons and propulsion tech, so I didn't have any ships to counter-attack with at that time.

The problem wasn't really that you had it, but both you and Trogdor had it. Trogdor especially... it doesn't matter anymore but I think Neph's words were "if I had 120 KF's I would've bum rushed with 'em" lol. The double minefields was a gimmick. I don't expect it to ever work again.

It's not over 'til it's over.

We'll see. PM me your password so I can look at your design, I want to see for myself whether your stuff's up to snuff to take out Neph's battlecruisers and 1300 kT dreadnaughts lol.

Brian

P.S. Anyway all of you, every one of you surprise me every time we fight lol. From Covenant making his shield depleter + pulse combo to Nephtys and U235's moving ships to block off "indirect" movement to Tuxedo arming his shipyards, everybody seems to be getting better, at least as good as me and in some cases better. Good lol. Good. I like competition.

Covenant · Post by **Covenant** » 2006-07-01 02:52am

Competition you've got. And getting better? Pah! You haven't even seen the amber might of the Cardassian navy yet! I'm not getting to better--I've already moved in. My Manbearpig class Worldcrushers are going to stomp the gurgly, cone-hating life out of Neph's Lovecraftian sideshow attractions.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-07-01 02:53am

Covenant wrote:Competition you've got. And getting better? Pah! You haven't even seen the amber might of the Cardassian navy yet! I'm not getting to better--I've already moved in. My Manbearpig class Worldcrushers are going to stomp the gurgly, cone-hating life out of Neph's Lovecraftian sideshow attractions.

Well a little bird tells me that when your ships fight Neph's bad things happen lol. Anyway that's all I can say and I shouldn't even have said that, but oh well. It'll give you something to sleep on, or lose sleep over, one or the other

.

Getting better... you're right Covvie you never were a newbie, you were always good. Come to think of it nobody was ever a newbie, everybody was always a good player and it always came down to the small quirky things that decided battles or games, or in some cases just pure luck heh heh.

Brian

Covenant · Post by **Covenant** » 2006-07-01 03:03am

You're not going to trick me into revealing all of my devious secrets, but you shouldn't worry on my account. We're all still in the game here. And even when the odds are stacked against someone, they can make life incredibly annoying for the other person.

I'm looking at you, Vulcans!

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-07-01 10:43am

Heh heh I thought about it and everything I wrote six to nine hours ago in this thread was spam. It was 1 in the morning, I was tired and home from a long shift, and getting all my ships blown up was pretty surprising. Who the fuck cares whether I quit or not, and I'm not gonna quit after one defeat. Why the fuck did I make such a big deal about one fleet blown up.

I took a closer look at Nephtys' racial technologies and... she is right. The game is far from over. In fact, she is severely handicapped. I change my mind and I'm putting my money on uh... Nephtys, Trogdor, Dalton, U235 or Covenant at this point. Wide open race heh heh.

I'm not gonna quit. Never. You'll have to pry every last ship from my hands lol and I'll relish being a pain in the ass!

Brian

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2006-07-22 05:16pm

Hmm. With the Cardassians moving against me, I can't survive. Should we officially call this game, or do others want to keep playing? If so, I'll just surrender to someone.

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2006-07-24 11:51pm

Well? Maybe people could just make a post saying either "I'm satisfied with my victory / defeat, let's call it," or "I'd rather keep playing."

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2006-07-25 12:21am

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:Well? Maybe people could just make a post saying either "I'm satisfied with my victory / defeat, let's call it," or "I'd rather keep playing."

I dunno. There's still a lot of fight left around. The Cardassians are a growing power, while I'm attacking Brian and certainly not a sure victory yet. The two southern races haven't cast their lot with anyone, and there's no monolithic 'East vs West' blocs like last game. Could still go aboot.

Covenant · Post by **Covenant** » 2006-07-25 04:08am

Well, I feel like I'm doing a good job so far. As for "A Growing Power," I think that's a slight misrepresentation. I've already got the most ships and planets. I'm hardly the 'Evil Empire' and I'm trying to keep good Alliances, but I've wanted to move east for a long time now. Brian getting his computer busted was the only thing that stopped me from blasting my forces through that wormhole eons ago.

But if people want to move on, I'd totally understand.

I mean, there's a few of us doing stuff, and the rest are being quiet. While that's a smart strategy, it's always more fun to be doing stuff, right? If more people want to do stuff instead of sit around, we could undo this, set it to a mid tech level and start again with everyone back in!

I'm all about crushing foes and such, but we could certainly do a NEW game and just speed this one along or somethin'.