Religion and Science

pezcollectorguy · Post by **pezcollectorguy** » 2002-12-19 01:24pm

The one thing I have observed about Scientists is that they appear to be very religious people. Each effect has a cause and there's a reason for every action. This mindset is not unlike the Catholic religion in it's legalistic worldview. I believe everyone has a religion. Even those who religiously deny God have a belief system focused around non belief. I don't understand why christians fear science so, it's basically the same thing. It's all unproven theories. The theories of science and religion as to how the world began for example. They are both very creative stories but there is NO proof. Let's face it, there never will be. We weren't there. So, why does it matter? Why do people fight over these issues? Because it's something to believe in. Everyone believes in something. It's a flaw of man to create something bigger than ourselves to believe in. Wether it be superman, God, or Science, none of which have anything to do with reality. As for me, what do I believe? I believe everything is suspect and the only reality relies within me. I can't prove anything else. I also believe only religious people will answer this message...

Dave

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-19 01:24pm

Wrong forum.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2002-12-19 01:27pm

pezcollectorguy wrote:I believe everything is suspect and the only reality relies within me. I can't prove anything else. I also believe only religious people will answer this message...

In that case, I won't even try to debate you. Continue to enjoy la la land.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-19 01:41pm

Oh, I forgot to add:

You're a loon who apparently believed everything they told you in philosophy class.

Enjoy being clueless that 90% of philosophy is dead.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-12-19 01:45pm

pezcollectorguy wrote:The one thing I have observed about Scientists is that they appear to be very religious people.

Utter bullshit, the scientific method and religion are completely incompatable.

I believe everyone has a religion.

Your belief means nothing. If you are not religious, you do not have a religion. Can anything be more blatantly obvious?

Even those who religiously deny God have a belief system focused around non belief.

You obviousily have no idea what religion is. You do have access to dictionaries don't you?

I don't understand why christians fear science so, it's basically the same thing. It's all unproven theories.

Yes, it is now obvious that you are a fucking idiot. It sure didn't take you long to point that out.

They are both very creative stories but there is NO proof. Let's face it, there never will be. We weren't there.

There is evidense, it supports mainstream scientific theories like evolution, abiogenesis, big bang, etc. Religious myths are not supported by evidense form the physical world. You seriousily need to take your head out your ass.

It's a flaw of man to create something bigger than ourselves to believe in. Wether it be superman, God, or Science, none of which have anything to do with reality. As for me, what do I believe? I believe everything is suspect and the only reality relies within me. I can't prove anything else. I also believe only religious people will answer this message...

Blah Blah Blah. More utterly useless bullshit. Tell me, do you have anything intelligent to say?

pezcollectorguy · Post by **pezcollectorguy** » 2002-12-19 01:46pm

I'm crazy because I understand the fleeting reality of all situations? No, it is naive folks like you that blindly follow your cult leaders into battles and wars that need the psychological counseling. As for me, I am a realist. My outlook on life is both logical and self actualizing. You're obviously a bitter person of little logical stimuli.

Dave

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-19 01:47pm

What has that got to do with anything?

What the hell are you talking about?

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2002-12-19 01:49pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:What has that got to do with anything?

What the hell are you talking about?

Never mind him. He's on crack.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-19 01:51pm

I wonder if he's wearing his tinfoil helmet right now...

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-12-19 01:51pm

pezcollectorguy wrote:I'm crazy because I understand the fleeting reality of all situations?

Who said you're crazy? You're just a dumbshit.

No, it is naive folks like you that blindly follow your cult leaders into battles and wars that need the psychological counseling.

Oh I'm sorry, we use logic and reason here. What do you use? Oh, that's right, your self found sophism where nothing really is, how useful and enlightening.

My outlook on life is both logical and self actualizing. You're obviously a bitter person of little logical stimuli.

This coming from a person that doesn't understand the fundamental differences between science and religion. Go back to your little sophistic wet dream. Maybe one day when you become an adult and enter the real world, you might see how fucked up you are.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-19 01:53pm

Stop reading those essays in philosophy class. They make your brain rot.

pezcollectorguy · Post by **pezcollectorguy** » 2002-12-19 01:54pm

Everyone believes in something. Wether it's made up or not. That's a reality of life. To some people, sex is their god. To other's it's science. Than there's the folks who believe there's some sort of higher being over us all waiting to smush us at a whim. All I am saying is that everyone of us has a belief system. We call it different things but the feeling is the same. Most of the time it isn't real so people like to inject themselves with the lie once in a while. That's why scientists like to read and christians go to church. It's all about religion. Whatever people practice on a regular basis. It's really quite logical if you think about it.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-19 01:55pm

Shut up.

Now.

pezcollectorguy · Post by **pezcollectorguy** » 2002-12-19 01:56pm

This coming from a person that doesn't understand the fundamental differences between science and religion.

There are no differences! That's the point. You have yet to prove me mistaken.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-19 01:56pm

Learn to qupte correctly, idiot.

re·li·gion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-ljn)
n.

Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.

A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.

The life or condition of a person in a religious order.

A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.

A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

sci·ence ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sns)
n.

The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.

Such activities restricted to a class of natural phenomena.

Such activities applied to an object of inquiry or study.

Methodological activity, discipline, or study: I've got packing a suitcase down to a science.

An activity that appears to require study and method: the science of purchasing.

Knowledge, especially that gained through experience.

That enough, idiot?

pezcollectorguy · Post by **pezcollectorguy** » 2002-12-19 02:03pm

As you may or may not know a Mr. Webster wrote the first dictionart in the english language. He considered himself to be not only christian but "born again" your only sefence comes from a book filled with christian propaganda and a religious slant. That's pretty weak. Try to use your brain instead of a book you know little about.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-19 02:05pm

Excuse me, Mr. Solipsist Idiot, but there is an obvious difference between science and religion: science does not require faith. There is no "faith" required to catalogue observations of objective reality and then formulate theories based on those observations.

Religion, on the other hand, absolutely REQUIRES faith. Faith is necessary in order to believe theories whose only evidence is themselves.

Science: based on observations.
Religion: based on faith.

Get it through your thick skull. If you are so convinced that science is no more or less valid than religion, I invite you to test your claim. I will blaspheme God in various unspeakable ways and tempt his terrible wrath. You will leap off the CN tower, and tempt the "religion" of physics to make you plummet to your death. After this experiment, we will compare notes. I expect a rather one-sided conversation.

victorhadin · Post by **victorhadin** » 2002-12-19 02:18pm

pezcollectorguy wrote:Everyone believes in something. Wether it's made up or not. That's a reality of life. To some people, sex is their god. To other's it's science. Than there's the folks who believe there's some sort of higher being over us all waiting to smush us at a whim. All I am saying is that everyone of us has a belief system. We call it different things but the feeling is the same. Most of the time it isn't real so people like to inject themselves with the lie once in a while. That's why scientists like to read and christians go to church. It's all about religion. Whatever people practice on a regular basis. It's really quite logical if you think about it.

Don't be daft, now.

Religion is based upon faith in unprovable, unmeasurable principles. Principles which are developed first before the facts surrounding said principles can or will be observed. The development of a scientific hypothesis and then, with luck, a theory, is that of observing the facts first and generating a process that fits with the facts, violating no known laws or major theories, which proves to be the simplest and best-fitting solution with the fewest assumptions. Said hypothesis will then be scrutinised and tested against available empirical data and if it stands up particularly well, may become a scientific theory.

That is, more or less, the scientific process. No ingrained faith is involved; merely testing against the facts for the hypothesis that fits best and then testing some more. Religion works the opposite way around, defining an untouchable definite 'truth' and expecting complete blind obediance to it, before the facts may be scrutinised in any way. Those that question the definite 'truths' laid out in a religion cease to be part of that religion.

There. Is that explanation enough?

victorhadin · Post by **victorhadin** » 2002-12-19 02:19pm

Blast. I was a touch too late typing that.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2002-12-19 02:55pm

Why are we even replying to this idiot. His definition of religios belief clearly is "anything that we don't have 100% irrefutable undenyable absolutely perfect proof of." Idiot.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2002-12-19 03:30pm

Darth Servo wrote:Why are we even replying to this idiot. His definition of religious belief clearly is "anything that we don't have 100% irrefutable undenyable absolutely perfect proof of." Idiot.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but we reply because we don't want people like this to clog up the forums, thinking that they won't be quickly and efficiently dealt with.

Perinquus · Post by **Perinquus** » 2002-12-19 03:34pm

pezcollectorguy wrote:As you may or may not know a Mr. Webster wrote the first dictionart in the english language. He considered himself to be not only christian but "born again" your only sefence comes from a book filled with christian propaganda and a religious slant. That's pretty weak. Try to use your brain instead of a book you know little about.

Actually, Samuel Johnson began work on "A Dictionary of the English Language" in 1746 - beating Noah Webster to the punch by sixty years. Johnson's dictionary had definitions for over 40,000 words and has been the basis for every English-language dictionary since.

What made you think an American published the first dictionary in the English language?

pezcollectorguy · Post by **pezcollectorguy** » 2002-12-19 04:32pm

Sorry I left the forum. I'm having internet problems. Anyway, To me the term religion denotes a repetitive action. As far as me being a moron because I'm accepting of everyones beliefs and logically considering the facts before me... so be it. On this message board I see folks defending science with a furver that would put most "religious" people to shame. Science is something you believe in. It obviously means a lot to you guys. That being said I believe it's a religious belief based on the appearance of facts. Often, these facts change and become refined. That makes it a religion of change. Everyone has to have something to believe in. I find this fascinating. Some people have religion and don't even know it! In fact, while they're religiously debasing the idea they're in reality practicing a religion! Ya'll have a nice day...

Dave

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2002-12-19 04:37pm

Congratulations, you win an Idiot trophy. Take it and get outta here before you get tossed in the troll hole.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-12-19 04:43pm

pezcollectorguy wrote:Sorry I left the forum. I'm having internet problems. Anyway, To me the term religion denotes a repetitive action. As far as me being a moron because I'm accepting of everyones beliefs and logically considering the facts before me... so be it. On this message board I see folks defending science with a furver that would put most "religious" people to shame. Science is something you believe in. It obviously means a lot to you guys. That being said I believe it's a religious belief based on the appearance of facts. Often, these facts change and become refined. That makes it a religion of change. Everyone has to have something to believe in. I find this fascinating. Some people have religion and don't even know it! In fact, while they're religiously debasing the idea they're in reality practicing a religion! Ya'll have a nice day...

Dave

In other words, you refuse to address any of the points we brought up. You simply repeat your original, ignorant statement and then try to waltz away declaring that you're right and berating everyone else for not seeing it.

The really sad thing is that you probably think you did a pretty good job here

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