Ultimate Star Wars vs Star Trek Movie

[Kurgan]

I imagine this scenario... the awful Star Trek Nemesis... the Enterprise E and the Scimitar are facing each other down, and the two Romulan warbirds show up, but no shots are yet fired. Then suddenly the ISD shows up. The Star Trek ships all quickly (for some reason) decide to team up against the new threat.

So three Romulan ships (awesome one and two regular ones) + Federation ship vs. ISD.


Then on with the "battle"...



(though it would involve main characters, if so, just give 'em the Scimitar, actually used intelligently, ie: launch fighters, MOVE and attack while you use the cloak, actually manuver, etc)

[Ritterin Sophia]

I've never really watched Star Trek, just in passing (Since TNG seemed more like a Soap Opera to me), but part of me wants to see both sides use Sovereign: The Empire uses the Sovereign-class SSD just to prove who the real Sovereign is. But it would make the battle much shorter, so I'll just go with the Sovereign-class, simply because he Federation using their most powerful ship and losing horribly, really drives the point home.

[EnterpriseSovereign]

No different from Nemesis, then.

[Lord Revan]

I've never really watched Star Trek, just in passing (Since TNG seemed more like a Soap Opera to me), but part of me wants to see both sides use Sovereign: The Empire uses the Sovereign-class SSD just to prove who the real Sovereign is. But it would make the battle much shorter, so I'll just go with the Sovereign-class, simply because he Federation using their most powerful ship and losing horribly, really drives the point home.

in addition of being being an SSD (aka huge overkill for this scenario), there's also the little thing that as far as I know, almost nothing is know of the Sovereign class SSD (not even what it looks like).

[Ritterin Sophia]

Nothing Known? I dug this up in five minutes.

Manufacturer Kuat Drive Yards

Product line Star Destroyers
Super Star Destroyers
Star Dreadnoughts

Model Sovereign-class Star Dreadnought

Class Star Destroyer

Technical specifications
Length 15,000 meters

Armament Axial superlaser (1)
Heavy turbolaser cannons (500)
Turbolaser batteries (500)
Ion cannons (75)
Tractor beam projectors (100)
Gravity well projectors (5)

Crew 605,745

Usage
Role(s) Battleship (Dreadnought)
Carrier

Era(s) New Republic era

Affiliation Galactic Empire

[Ritterin Sophia]

As for a picture

[Lord Revan]

As for a picture [img]snip[/img]

is that one official, since I seems to remember that only official pic is a silhouette from WEG (my information could be out of date of course).

[Bounty]

As for a picture [img]snip[/img]

is that one official, since I seems to remember that only official pic is a silhouette from WEG (my information could be out of date of course).

It's from SW Rebellion, possibly a mod.

And let me just say that's one butt-ugly ship. Looks like an ISD with self-esteem issues started binge-eating or something

[Bounty]

And it grew a goatee, too.

[Ritterin Sophia]

Eh, personal opinions, I myself find all manner of Corellion ships ugly, I prefer Kuat Drive Yards for Capships and Sienar Fleet Systems for Starfighters, since they both produced my two favorite ships: The Eclipse-class and TIE Defenders.

[Lord Revan]

I think an Acclamator would be alot better ship to drive home the point of just how superior SW is (being little more then a glorified troop ship), would instresting ending by having the ST side think that the Acclamator is the best SW has, but having a ISD or another "true" warship arrive at the end (or get mentioned by SW side)

[Bounty]

I think an Acclamator would be alot better ship to drive home the point of just how superior SW is

But then you get to sillyness like "one stormtrooper with a laser toenail cutter vs the whole Trek galaxy".

It's Poe's movie and he apparently wants icons to fight, not derivative vessels that only served in the background. An Acclamator appeared in Star Wars, an ISD *is* Star Wars. A Prometheus appeared in Star Trek, a Galaxy or Sovereign *is* Star Trek.

Think aesthetial, not technical. Don't reason, feel the movie

[EnterpriseSovereign]

I imagine this scenario... the awful Star Trek Nemesis... the Enterprise E and the Scimitar are facing each other down, and the two Romulan warbirds show up, but no shots are yet fired. Then suddenly the ISD shows up. The Star Trek ships all quickly (for some reason) decide to team up against the new threat.

So three Romulan ships (awesome one and two regular ones) + Federation ship vs. ISD.


Then on with the "battle"...



(though it would involve main characters, if so, just give 'em the Scimitar, actually used intelligently, ie: launch fighters, MOVE and attack while you use the cloak, actually manuver, etc)

Now that I'd like to see. And give everyone full names since we know Stormtroopers can't seem to hit them very well (or hit the guy next to the one they were aiming at)

[Darth Wong]

I always had a visual in my head of an ISD dropping out of hyperspace in orbit around Earth and unleashing a full broadside on the big orbiting space station until it starts to break into pieces, while Defiant and Akira-class ships buzz around it like angry hornets, desperately trying to destroy it before it can finish the job.

The shock of the sudden appearance of the ISD within point-blank range of the space station is the visual "hook", with startled Feddies scrambling to battle stations even as the ISD is already starting to open fire on the station with its trench guns. And then, just as the small fleet of ships starts to do some damage to the ISD, it opens up with its heavy guns to apply the coup de grace to the station, and then hits its hyperspace. Pure hit 'n run.

Mind you, the realism is arguably a bit warped since the ISD should be able to just sit at long range and pick off the immobile station from distance with its heavy guns, and there is some serious question of whether the defense fleet would be able to put a dent in the ISD even if they had all day to shoot, but it would look so cool.

[EnterpriseSovereign]

Depends on the quality and quantity of the ships in the fleet, and how smart the captains of the fleet are not to mention if the ISD is solely intent on taking out the Starbase or not.

[Aaron]

Depends on the quality and quantity of the ships in the fleet, and how smart the captains of the fleet are not to mention if the ISD is solely intent on taking out the Starbase or not.

You still don't grasp that Star Trek ships don't possess the power generation capacity to harm an ISD do you? Have you read the main site?

[EnterpriseSovereign]

Depends on the quality and quantity of the ships in the fleet, and how smart the captains of the fleet are not to mention if the ISD is solely intent on taking out the Starbase or not.

You still don't grasp that Star Trek ships don't possess the power generation capacity to harm an ISD do you? Have you read the main site?

I do grasp it fine, what I'm saying is that it depends on how many ships are in the fleet, whether they're combat-capable, and whether they'll concentrate their fire on one part of the ship or not since it makes a massive difference. Whether they're up to the job or not, they'll be taken out with a single hit each, in much the same way as the Borg cube did to many Fed ships in FC, even the warships.

[Ghost Rider]

Depends on the quality and quantity of the ships in the fleet, and how smart the captains of the fleet are not to mention if the ISD is solely intent on taking out the Starbase or not.

You still don't grasp that Star Trek ships don't possess the power generation capacity to harm an ISD do you? Have you read the main site?

I do grasp it fine, what I'm saying is that it depends on how many ships are in the fleet, whether they're combat-capable, and whether they'll concentrate their fire on one part of the ship or not since it makes a massive difference. Whether they're up to the job or not, they'll be taken out with a single hit each, in much the same way as the Borg cube did to many Fed ships in FC, even the warships.

No, it doesn't.

I'll put it in real simple terms. A single Federation ship pumps out MT worth of firepower, let's give the abosolute upper end of 300 MT per sec for shits and giggles.

An ISD shields are rated around mid Teraton to possible Petaton power...we'll say mid teraton or 10 TT.

For the ISD to begin to FEEL a shot from the federation FLEET(of say 50 ships)...they need around 11 minutes, and the ISD, sits there and does shit.

So really dumbfuck, it doesn't matter.

[Aaron]

I do grasp it fine, what I'm saying is that it depends on how many ships are in the fleet, whether they're combat-capable, and whether they'll concentrate their fire on one part of the ship or not since it makes a massive difference. Whether they're up to the job or not, they'll be taken out with a single hit each, in much the same way as the Borg cube did to many Fed ships in FC, even the warships.

And when have we seen more than a handful of ships in Earth orbit? Seriously Trek firepower is MT range, at the highest 64 MT for Photon Torpedoes if we use the tech manual where as SW ships can dish out over 200 GT for the Acclamator 20 years before ANH. ST ships have no chance, it's like a mosquito trying to bite a car.

[Batman]

IOW you don't grasp it fine. A single MTL shot from a Clone Wars era troop transport is the equivalent of over six thousand PTs even using the ridiculous TM torps. There aren't enough ships in all of Starfleet to harm an ISD.

[EnterpriseSovereign]

Fine, I'm not about to go into where those shield figures are from since it'll inevitably call into question whether it's canon depending on your standpoint and it doesn't lead anywhere, and I did say that the trek ships'd be picked off regardless. And I do agree that it's very rare to have a large fleet defending the fucking planet. And as for weapon yields, it doesn't matter that we don't know QT yields per se save for the fact they do considerably more damage than PT for the differences stated since it'd need to be several magnitudes better to do any real damage.

[Ghost Rider]

Fine, I'm not about to go into where those shield figures are from since it'll inevitably call into question whether it's canon depending on your standpoint and it doesn't lead anywhere, and I did say that the trek ships'd be picked off regardless. And I do agree that it's very rare to have a large fleet defending the fucking planet. And as for weapon yields, it doesn't matter that we don't know QT yields per se save for the fact they do considerably more damage than PT for the differences stated since it'd need to be several magnitudes better to do any real damage.

No, fucktard. you want to make that statement, you put or shut up. So I'll ask you once, either prove your shit or shut the fuck up because all you've done is be a whiny bitch whore.

[Aaron]

QT aren't general issue anyways. Otherwise we would have seen the other ships use them on the Borg in First Contact.

[EnterpriseSovereign]

What part of 'I agree with what you are saying' don't you get? What more is there to say?

[Ghost Rider]

What part of 'I agree with what you are saying' don't you get? What more is there to say?

You to fucking prove your point bitch. Don't make statements of "If the fleet come about and do this, then they can..." and then go and be a chicken bitch and leave by going "Well we really don't know..."

You prove your shit or leave.