The Karen Traviss Database

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2006-05-27 12:49am

Lonestar wrote:And she was (supposebly) in the TA and RFA too. Which is the equilivant of the National Guard and Merchant Marine, but still..

The Royal Fleet Auxiliary is directly equivalent to the Naval Fleet Auxiliary Force within the Military Sealift Command (Naval component of TRANSCOM). The Merchant Marine encompasses the entirety of the American-based shipping industry, just as the British Merchant Navy encompasses the British-based shipping industry. The RFA and NFAF are both manned by civilians.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2006-05-27 04:13pm

Publius wrote: The Royal Fleet Auxiliary is directly equivalent to the Naval Fleet Auxiliary Force within the Military Sealift Command (Naval component of TRANSCOM). The Merchant Marine encompasses the entirety of the American-based shipping industry, just as the British Merchant Navy encompasses the British-based shipping industry. The RFA and NFAF are both manned by civilians.

I know what the RFA and MSC is Pub, but when adverts are put out for the MSC(Check nko if you don't believe me) they refer to it as the merchant marine.

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2006-05-27 06:34pm

Lonestar wrote:
Publius wrote: The Royal Fleet Auxiliary is directly equivalent to the Naval Fleet Auxiliary Force within the Military Sealift Command (Naval component of TRANSCOM). The Merchant Marine encompasses the entirety of the American-based shipping industry, just as the British Merchant Navy encompasses the British-based shipping industry. The RFA and NFAF are both manned by civilians.
I know what the RFA and MSC is Pub, but when adverts are put out for the MSC(Check nko if you don't believe me) they refer to it as the merchant marine.

The explanation about the MSC and NFAF part was more for the benefit of people who might not be as familiar with the organization, not you specifically (apologies about any confusion there). Virtually all of MSC's personnel (and likewise, the RFA's) are civilian mariners trained as part of the merchant navy/merchant marine. It's correct to refer to MSC as being merchant marine, because it is merchant marine. We may be agreeing violently.

Taking the word of a merchant mariner as authoritative in matters of troop deployment and the utility of special forces to win a war is questionable, at best.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2006-05-27 07:39pm

Publius wrote:
The explanation about the MSC and NFAF part was more for the benefit of people who might not be as familiar with the organization, not you specifically (apologies about any confusion there). Virtually all of MSC's personnel (and likewise, the RFA's) are civilian mariners trained as part of the merchant navy/merchant marine. It's correct to refer to MSC as being merchant marine, because it is merchant marine. We may be agreeing violently.

*slams bottle of Newcastle on table, so it's sharp and pointy* Dem's fighting words!

Taking the word of a merchant mariner as authoritative in matters of troop deployment and the utility of special forces to win a war is questionable, at best.

Indeed, but in this context I'm refering to the thin skin she is exhibiting. I don't know about your experience in the Navy, btu I've meet people who get worked up and file complaints about everything. Perhaps by coincidence, they are also the Medical commandos. Traviss is giving off this vibe to me.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2006-05-27 07:40pm

Publius wrote:
Lonestar wrote:
Publius wrote: The Royal Fleet Auxiliary is directly equivalent to the Naval Fleet Auxiliary Force within the Military Sealift Command (Naval component of TRANSCOM). The Merchant Marine encompasses the entirety of the American-based shipping industry, just as the British Merchant Navy encompasses the British-based shipping industry. The RFA and NFAF are both manned by civilians.
I know what the RFA and MSC is Pub, but when adverts are put out for the MSC(Check nko if you don't believe me) they refer to it as the merchant marine.
The explanation about the MSC and NFAF part was more for the benefit of people who might not be as familiar with the organization, not you specifically (apologies about any confusion there). Virtually all of MSC's personnel (and likewise, the RFA's) are civilian mariners trained as part of the merchant navy/merchant marine. It's correct to refer to MSC as being merchant marine, because it is merchant marine. We may be agreeing violently.

Taking the word of a merchant mariner as authoritative in matters of troop deployment and the utility of special forces to win a war is questionable, at best.

But see, you're criticizing Ms Traviss's qualifications, so that makes you a Talifan and a Misogynist and probably all sorts fo evil things. I'm pretty sure you're a communist too.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2006-05-27 07:50pm

Connor MacLeod wrote:
But see, you're criticizing Ms Traviss's qualifications, so that makes you a Talifan and a Misogynist and probably all sorts fo evil things. I'm pretty sure you're a communist too.

He's fairly proficient in Arabic, so Talifan would be more accurate.

Incidently, I believe she also was in the TA. Although I do not know what her job was.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-05-28 12:47pm

Why quibble over the details? It's obvious that Army General Karen Traviss is exaggerating her own military credentials and tactical/logistical knowledge either way.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2006-05-28 12:57pm

Yeah, when I first heard about this author over a year ago, I pictured someone with actual military experience using this aspect to realistically portray soldiers in a SW book.

Needless to say, that illusion's worn off.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2006-05-28 03:52pm

You guys better be careful with what say about Traviss's military knowledge, because you might be committing libel. Just look at my sig.

Post by **Edi** » 2006-05-28 04:29pm

Jim Raynor wrote:You guys better be careful with what say about Traviss's military knowledge, because you might be committing libel. Just look at my sig.

With the amount of outright lies, implied death threats and complete absurdities she's put out in the course of this debacle, I'd really like to see her try it on someone. She'd actually be more vulnerable to a libel suit herself than those she went after. In US courts she wouldn't get anywhere because the general standards of evidence and burden of proof in libel suits would work against her, and elsewhere the facts would speak rather bloody strongly against her.

Edi

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2006-05-28 04:45pm

Edi wrote:

With the amount of outright lies, implied death threats and complete absurdities she's put out in the course of this debacle, I'd really like to see her try it on someone. She'd actually be more vulnerable to a libel suit herself than those she went after. In US courts she wouldn't get anywhere because the general standards of evidence and burden of proof in libel suits would work against her, and elsewhere the facts would speak rather bloody strongly against her.

Edi

Karen Traviss is an author, and therefore a public figure. It is virtually impossible for a public figure to succeed in such suits, and her horrendous bullfuckery will not help her case at all. She's just tossing more pasta at the wall, and her legal threats can be ignored. I'm actually considerably less comfortable ignoring her threats of physical violence.

darthbane · Post by **darthbane** » 2006-07-05 05:36pm

wait a minute. didn't the article on the Grand army say thet a Grand Army equals:

10 Systems Armies: 2949120, + 3,000,000. wouldn't that make roughly 6 million Clones?

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2006-07-05 07:06pm

wouldn't that make roughly 6 million Clones?

Think to yourself: Does it really matter?

3 million or 6 million, it's still nowhere near enough for this to be a galaxy-spanning clone war.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2006-07-27 03:30pm

I'm sorry for waking up this thread, but I thought this was pretty funny:
+http://karentraviss.livejournal.com/

Look at the entry which was posted today (July 27) at 08:57, Traviss says that she "envy his style".

Man, the picture that produced in my mind...

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2006-07-27 03:46pm

Is this our beloved Freakazoid cosplayer/toylover? She sure can pick'em!

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2006-07-27 05:45pm

Egad, if they were in the same place ever, the combined lameness and hypocricy could destroy existence!

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2006-07-27 05:54pm

VT-16 wrote:Is this our beloved Freakazoid cosplayer/toylover? She sure can pick'em!

Karen praises and allies herself with anyone who's also opposed to us "Talifans." This is the woman who referred to that chickenshit Dark Moose as a "brave soul."

When Freakazoid came over here a couple months ago, we found out that Traviss had already posted in his tiny small pond forum before (just like she posts in every other obscure place that so much as mentions her name). Dark Moose even me-tooed at Lambert's forum, and Darkstar tried sniping from the sidelines.

These disparate dumbasses seem to hold the belief that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Even if they would be better off trying not to associate with one another.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2006-07-27 05:58pm

Anyone got that picture of Lambert in costume? I think there's an SDN: The Gathering card of him somewhere.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2006-07-27 06:07pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:Anyone got that picture of Lambert in costume? I think there's an SDN: The Gathering card of him somewhere.

Here's the thread about Lambert. Scroll down to the middle of the page to see the picture. The Magic card parody comes on page 9.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-07-27 07:40pm

For easy reference:

I ran into some problems with text size on that one, IIRC.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2006-07-29 12:40am

I don't want to go through this entire thread, but suffice to say, I agree her numbers are bull shit, I did some math and divided the Acclamators full complement of CT's (I can't remember the exact number) into the 3 million figure, it gave me about 167.5 Acclamators with a full complement.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2006-07-29 02:15am

I don't want to go through this entire thread, but suffice to say, I agree her numbers are bull shit, I did some math and divided the Acclamators full complement of CT's (I can't remember the exact number) into the 3 million figure, it gave me about 167.5 Acclamators with a full complement

One of the commonly brought up points against Traviss is that the role-playing game says that the Republic increased its order of Acclamators by 1,000. If KT and her fanboys are to be believed, then only a small fraction of these were even filled.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2006-07-29 02:32am

Excuse me, but do they say what the total number was increased TO, or only that it increased by 1000?

Post by **Vympel** » 2006-07-29 02:48am

It's ordering 1,000 more Acclamators, so enough to carry 16,000,000 Clones and their usual equipment.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2006-07-29 03:01am

Here's the quote:

Its from the Wizards of the Coast's "Star wars Roleplaying game: Revised Core rulebook,

page 234 wrote: "The success of the vessel in the early days of the Clone Wars prompted the Republic to order a thousand more from RHE, ,which by that time had begun designing bigger and better variations, along the lines of battleships and destroyers."

I also forgot that second part. It implies that they'd already begun building destroyer and battleship sized variations on the assault ship, apparently.

One has to wonder how many troops could be carried on a mile long (or multi-mile, for that matter.) assault ship frame.

Edit: Its also rather sad when you're out-scaled by a mere RPG reference. Of course why should Traviss pay attention to what other people write in Star Wars?

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The Karen Traviss Database

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