Vorlons at the Battle of Endor

[SyntaxVorlon]

What would happen if vorlons had been at the Battle of Endor? I give them, 13 dreadnaughts, 20 cruisers, 40 transports, and 200 V-Fighters.
Please forgive me if this has already been used.
Note: No Rebels.

[weemadando]

They lose.

Vorlon firepower simply can't do sufficient damage to the Imperials.

Sure the Imps will lose a few craft, but they will still be beaten.

[Ender]

Vorlons dies in a spectacularly quick and firey manner.

[Shinova]

Imperials win.....unless the Vorlons do some weird first-ones only thingy, but highly doubt that...probably.

[Darth Wong]

What would happen if vorlons had been at the Battle of Endor? I give them, 13 dreadnaughts, 20 cruisers, 40 transports, and 200 V-Fighters.

Please forgive me if this has already been used.
Note: No Rebels.

OK, let's assume that by "No Rebels", you mean that the Vorlons are taking the Rebels' place (first rule of "vs" scenarios; try to be very clear as to precisely what you are proposing).

So 33 capships, 40 transports, and 200 fighters drop out of hyperspace in low orbit around Endor, and are promptly set upon by the Imperial Navy. Several problems:

1) "No Rebels" means no Han, Luke, and Leia, and in turn, no covert op to sabotage the shield generator. The Vorlons do not have the Rebels' intelligence network, and they lack subtlety.

2) "No Rebels" also means no distractions for Palpatine or Vader. More bad news.

3) 200 Vorlon fighters against 2000 TIE fighters; on sheer numerical advantage, I would expect the TIE fighters to win.

4) The 40 transports are nothing but cannon fodder.

5) 33 Vorlon capships against a numerically smaller but volumetrically much larger Imperial force is an Imperial cakewalk. The Imps have much more powerful weapons, the DS superlaser will be picking them off one by one, and the poor Vorlons will be utterly screwed.

[Howedar]

If we assume that the Vorlons too would send down a special ops team to disable/destroy the shield generator, I think they'd do fantastically better than the Rebels. Vorlon encounter suits seem very resiliant to fire (several times as good as a steel blast door), plus they have some wacky telepathic skills and telekenetic abilities. I think they'd kick ass on the ground.

If a Vorlon fighter made it into the superstructure, I think it could take out the hypermatter reactor just as the Rebels did. The problem, of course, is getting there. I'd give the Vorlons in space about as good of chances as the Rebels: shitty.

[Master of Ossus]

The Vorlons don't even have a fraction of the firepower that the Imperials have. While difficult to kill (to say the least) on the ground, their starships are inferior. They are quickly routed in space, and are utterly destroyed by the Empire.

[Howedar]

Their capital ships would be useless, and it would depend on individual pilot skill on the part of the fighter jocks to destroy the DS2. Just like the Rebels.

[Ender]

Since it is not clear if the fighters are independents or drones, that could be a difficult issue.

As for the ground forces, from what I've found they tend to see 3 as about the most needed. So Mr. Vorlon with his defense shields meet Mr. Thermal Detanator. Bye Bye Mr. Vorlon.

[weemadando]

Since it is not clear if the fighters are independents or drones, that could be a difficult issue.

As for the ground forces, from what I've found they tend to see 3 as about the most needed. So Mr. Vorlon with his defense shields meet Mr. Thermal Detanator. Bye Bye Mr. Vorlon.

*Ender throws thermal detonator at Vorlon*

*Vorlon "bouncies" the thermal detonator right back at him*

*Vorlon then arcs him up with some lightning just for the hell of it*

[Ender]

Given that they use a dead man's seitch, I wouldn't be throwing it.

Sacrafice three stormies for total victory. Sounds good to me.

[Darth Wong]

Vorlons on the ground are not exactly a stealth force, and I seriously doubt they would be able to recruit reinforcements the way the Rebels did, particularly since their diplomatic skills are on par with those of the Empire: shit.

In fact, their high-energy attacks and encounter suits are precisely the kind of enemy the Empire is OPTIMIZED to fight (as opposed to small animals in enormous numbers who take advantage of their overconfidence). If a Vorlon's encounter suit can be destroyed by some electrical arcing (and how much damage can the Casper-ghost really do- it's not as if we saw him doing any physical damage to the B5 station even when he went right through the hull), they're not going to last long.

Besides, Vader is on the ground.

[Ender]

*Switch

[Crayz9000]

In fact, their high-energy attacks and encounter suits are precisely the kind of enemy the Empire is OPTIMIZED to fight (as opposed to small animals in enormous numbers who take advantage of their overconfidence). If a Vorlon's encounter suit can be destroyed by some electrical arcing (and how much damage can the Casper-ghost really do- it's not as if we saw him doing any physical damage to the B5 station even when he went right through the hull), they're not going to last long..

::pictures Casper the Friendly Ghost going on a rampage, Quake-style::

[Ender]

Download Babcom #10, and go to page 11 for info on Vorlon ground troops.

http://marshallpower.co.uk/b5w/repository/

[Ender]

And incidently, since they never modified Wars like they did the YR, most of their bag of tricks just went out the airlock.

[Durandal]

The ground battle would be irrelevant. The Vorlons would not be able to get into the Death Star's superstructure; the TIE's would pick off all their fighters, and the Star Destroyers would destroy all their capital ships. I suspect the engagement would last no longer than 10 minutes.

[Sea Skimmer]

I doubt a single Vorlon capital unit or transport would be left after the opening Imperial salvo. There fighters would be quickly overwhelmed.

[ben]

Vorlon vs SW Empire at Endor. hmm.... no weapons that can be demonstrated to take out an ISD. no defenses against TLs or other SW weapons. no ground force to be seen, yup Empire all the way.

[Patrick Degan]

It's even worse for the Vorlons than you think:

1. If the Vorlons make any sort of effort against the Imperial ground installation on the Endor sanctuary moon, they would attempt to land one of their own craft instead of employing a captured Imperial shuttlecraft. Their force would be spotted immediately by the Imperial patrols and shot down. This is of course assuming that they would even attempt to employ stealth and infiltration, which is not standard to Vorlon battle strategy.

2. Darth Vader has no reason to actually be on the ground in this scenario, since there is no plan to entrap any of the enemy in any sort of personal plot. This either puts him on board the Death Star at Palpatine's side, or commanding the fleet on board his flagship, the Executor.

3. Palpatine may not even be at the battle, since he is not laying any sort of personal trap for the Vorlons as he was for Luke Skywalker. This places Darth Vader in full command at Endor, which means that both the fleet and the Death Star will be employed to effectively dice up the Vorlon force from two sides. The battle lasts ten minutes.

[SyntaxVorlon]

Vorlon fighters are superior to imp fighters, both have zero shields, but IMPs use pulse cannons, beams beat pulse cannons in long range combat, EVERY TIME. The Navy sent its fleet behind the rebels and in this situation would be attacked by the vorlons immediately, as they would know they oculd not get through that field. Transports are NOT cannon fodder they have nearly the firepower of a cruiser, and nearly the same design. The imperials did not get close enough to salvo the rebels to keep clear of the DS beam, and in either case the vorlons have shields, not fodder for the salvo.
The DS as you may remember could not fire on the rebels when they ingaged the navy to keep from hitting the SDs
The fighters would be no problem, v-fighters have much better chance in the beginning when the other fighters are at long range. The vorlon fighters would pick appart the imps. A transport could be sent down to the planet, the speed of htls is bad for the imps chances.
That's all for now gotta go.

[Ender]

Vorlon fighters are superior to imp fighters, both have zero shields, but IMPs use pulse cannons, beams beat pulse cannons in long range combat, EVERY TIME.

1) Vorlon fighters have more firepower. MT > KT
2) Vorlon Fighters do have shields
3) You don't do fighter combat at long range, so the beam bit is irrelevent
4) Explain your statement as to the superiority of beam weapons

The Navy sent its fleet behind the rebels and in this situation would be attacked by the vorlons immediately, as they would know they oculd not get through that field.

Then they die by the Superlaser. Same thing happened to the rebels, their ships didn't engage until they had to to avoid the SL. Remember, Lando couldn't figure out why the ISDs were just sitting there.

Transports are NOT cannon fodder they have nearly the firepower of a cruiser, and nearly the same design.

1) To the Imperials, yes they are cannon fodder. The whole damn fleet is.
2) If they have the same firepower, that is pathetic.
3) They are not even close to the same design. Fighters are closer to transports then transports are to Cruisers Look:
Cruiser
Transport
Fighter

The imperials did not get close enough to salvo the rebels to keep clear of the DS beam, and in either case the vorlons have shields, not fodder for the salvo.

I can't figure out the grammar of this statement. But on the topic of Vorlon Shields, so what? They don't have the power to stop a TL.

The DS as you may remember could not fire on the rebels when they ingaged the navy to keep from hitting the SDs

Yes, so the Fleet slaughters them instead.

The fighters would be no problem, v-fighters have much better chance in the beginning when the other fighters are at long range. The vorlon fighters would pick appart the imps.

1) They were never at long range
2) Show proof of this range advantage you speak of
3) Explain why beams are better then pulses
4) The Vorlons don't have a huge fighter advantage. Their fighters go down to thunderbolt pulses, and TIEs out gun those by a large margin. Ties are also smaler then the Vorlon fighters, making them harder to hit. I've never seen a comparrison of combat speeds or manuverability, so I can't comment there. They are also outnumbered by a hideous amount. The only real edge the Vorlons have is fighter firepower.

A transport could be sent down to the planet, the speed of htls is bad for the imps chances.
That's all for now gotta go.

I don't understand this statement either. How is the transport going to get through the shield, and how is the speed of HTLs a factor when the vorlons get killed by the smaller guns?

[Ender]

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[SyntaxVorlon]

1) Vorlon fighters have more firepower. MT > KT
2) Vorlon Fighters do have shields
3) You don't do fighter combat at long range, so the beam bit is irrelevent
4) Explain your statement as to the superiority of beam weapons

There was a long range battle, the rebels and imps were, at first, not able to do so because, the imps wanted to show them their little toy and the rebels knew that going up against a flotilla would be a bad idea. The Vorlons would not need to get close to start fight to fire, they will do so immediately. Fighters would be no problem, the Dreadnoughts would control them, they are considered drones, and use sensors to target the unshielded TIEs, it does not take much to kill a Tie, it takes less with a beam weapon which provide constant heat on the area that if hit by a pulse weapon would be slightly damaged but could evade that area immediately, beams can track the craft(the ship with the beam tracks not the beam itself) and that craft is killed quite quickly. The TIEs would have no chance.
Shields however they do not have, but they do have bioarmor which learns how to absorb the energy from weapons, especially pulse weapons. The bio armor is comprable to a Whitestar's, better power fewer systems thus it would be far superior in its ability to take fire.

Then they die by the Superlaser. Same thing happened to the rebels, their ships didn't engage until they had to to avoid the SL. Remember, Lando couldn't figure out why the ISDs were just sitting there.

The rebel ships immediately engaged the ISDs, the vorlons would have done the same to get away from the SL

1) To the Imperials, yes they are cannon fodder. The whole damn fleet is.
2) If they have the same firepower, that is pathetic.
3) They are not even close to the same design. Fighters are closer to transports then transports are to Cruisers

You obviously are not very knowledgeable about vorlon ship design, that is a dreadnought, not a cruiser. A cruiser is longer and bigger than a transport and has a great deal of firepower for its size.

But on the topic of Vorlon Shields, so what? They don't have the power to stop a TL.
Yes, so the Fleet slaughters them instead.

I have checked on some sights, it seems that they do not have shields they have however learning bioarmor that absorbs energy, and leaves only the kinetic energy of the blast to do real damage.

1) They were never at long range
2) Show proof of this range advantage you speak of
3) Explain why beams are better then pulses
4) The Vorlons don't have a huge fighter advantage. Their fighters go down to thunderbolt pulses, and TIEs out gun those by a large margin. Ties are also smaler then the Vorlon fighters, making them harder to hit. I've never seen a comparrison of combat speeds or manuverability, so I can't comment there. They are also outnumbered by a hideous amount. The only real edge the Vorlons have is fighter firepower.

The range I am speaking of is the 30 km+ between the rebel(vorlon) and imp fleets at endor. TIEs don't have the range to hit them, but Vfighters do, thus they can lock on and knock them out of the sky faster. No ties, no fighters to kill the vfighters, vfighters can fully support the capships which would be firing on the ISDs and Interdictors by now.
Number matters not, size matters not.
Stop reasking questions.

I don't understand this statement either. How is the transport going to get through the shield, and how is the speed of HTLs a factor when the vorlons get killed by the smaller guns?

Excuse me for having to go to class and not having time to proofread.
You make it sound as if transports are just fluttery scraps of paper compared to ground based AA guns.
But this is a point of contention as the shield is impenetrable. More likely they'd have a single vorlon go through the shield, there are advantages to being pure psyonic energy, and infiltrate the facility. It could just take control of the engineers and make them blow the thing up themselves, that's where the psyonic part comes in.

The Battle:
After using beams to snipe off fighters from kms off, the fighters would have aided the cruisers in destroying the interdictors.
Once gone, the cruisers and transports just start flying past the ISDs and opening jump points, inside the structure. If turned off at the right time, the dreadnoughts would have started firing at the DS's superstructure, punching holes in the places where the surface construction had not been completed. Punch a hole big enough, and deep enough and send a fighter in. Fighter fires on the nearby AA lasers, killing a large area to keep it from getting attacked. Flies directly in, Ties fly in behind it, it turns and fires on them as they come near, the advantages of a compact gravetic drive and an advanced flight AI.[/quote]

[HemlockGrey]

Even if the Vorlies somehow manage to kill every fucking ISD in the fleet, they are still screwed, because they won't be able to bring the shield down.