Don't the Sith/Dark jedi etc. have legal protection?

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havokeff wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:Amazed that Mace was going to arrest and detain a man who LEGALLY aquired his emergancy powers.

So what if General Grievious had fallen, nothing was binding Palpatine except the end of the war, and since...there was still fighting even after that, you tell me who was in the legal right.

Also Havokef you are still using your supposition. Show proof that Mace and gang had any legal recourse to go in, tell Chancellor Palpatine to shove off and release the powers that were voted to him. I am asking for proof, not your personal supposition.
Palpatine, being the, as Publius put it, "lawfully elected Supreme Chancellor for life". gave Mace the power and legal recourse to go in when he told him and Yoda; "Do whatever you must to hunt Sidious down."

From the time that Anakin told Mace that Palpatine was Sidious, Mace was no longer going to just inform him of Grievious's defeat and hope that he end the war and return his emergency powers. He was going to arrest the Sith Lord whom the Jedi as well as Palpatine, believed to be behind the entire war in the first place.

That is the proof that what they were doing was legally. The Supreme Chancellor told the Jedi to do whatever was neccisary to hunt Sidious down. Like I said before, it is ironic, that he made the Jedi's actions and his own arrest legal.

Also about Grievous being defeated. I believe that Palpatine expressed that the war would end if he was destroyed. I'm at work so I don't have exact quotes.
Wow, so you're taking Palpatine's words of "Take down Sidious" to equate to LEGAL LAW?

Shit, man...I guess that must mean binding law. Oh wait, no it doesn't. It's a request. So dumbfuck...where is legal writ that Palpatine gave to the Jedi to go over the Senate and everyone else's head?

Please, I'm still waiting for you to present this piece of proof, or this goes to a new and happier home.
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Ghost Rider wrote: Wow, so you're taking Palpatine's words of "Take down Sidious" to equate to LEGAL LAW?

When dealing with Jedi? Yes. The Jedi serve at their own will in exchange for certain accomidations. They are NOT part of the military hiearchy and therefore are not given direct orders from the Republic Commander-in-Chief. Example: They chose to be Generals and lead the Clones it wasn't, nor could it be ordered.
Shit, man...I guess that must mean binding law. Oh wait, no it doesn't. It's a request. So dumbfuck...where is legal writ that Palpatine gave to the Jedi to go over the Senate and everyone else's head?


Actually, I believe the Senate gave Palpatine that athourity when they voted him his emergency powers. And again, the Jedi serve AT request. They don't require orders or legal writ.
Please, I'm still waiting for you to present this piece of proof, or this goes to a new and happier home.

Are you asking me to produce a signed document with witness signatures and all? Look, I supplied the proof for my argument THAT ARRESTING SIDIOUS was a legal action based on the way the Jedi, have historically, and as of ROTS, function.
The Senate, Chancellor or both make a request of their service. Based on the request the Jedi choose whether or not to serve. The Jedi in this instance choose to serve and the Chancelor by his asking and his very words gave them all the authority they needed.

If this something you don't agree with... well...
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Because I want your dumbass to understand why I'm asking for this, is simple.

You are relying upon this statement as binding and irrefutable legal proof:

Palpatine nodded in finality. "Then I trust that you will accept my apologies. Do whatever you must to hunt Sidious down."

You have not once brought up anything else, just that Palpatine told Mace and vis a vis the Jedi that they can do anything to bring down this man, and have conjectured this means commiting high treason against the very Republic they serve. That they are allowed circumvent any and all legal bindings.

You have not shown once you dumb fucking idiot any sort of objective proof that actually reinforces your case, instead you've moved your goalposts several times and basically went at the end "We'll have to agree to disagree."

No dumbfuck, we don't do things like that around here. When I asked for proof, I meant something that distinctly allowed the Jedi, beyond a simple pithy statement, to walk into Palpatine's office and tell the Supreme Chancellor that he was under arrest. You have provided fuck all none.

Furthermore Publius provided proof against your statement to which you have not provided a single counterpoint. In fact you have continually ignored any and all statements from that quarter to solely focus upon your personal held beliefs of how the Republic and Jedi work.

Locking because I'll be damned to allow your spammy worthless ass get more posts out just to go "Well I say so!"
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