Noah's flood: Fish?

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2006-08-11 05:38am

For some weird reason i was thinking about this a few days ago and i'm wondering what supposably happened to fish during Noah's Flood.

If it did cover the entire world then wouldn't that wipe out either fresh water or salt water fish?

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2006-08-11 05:40am

Yurp.

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2006-08-11 05:54am

Obviously there were 2 bigass fishtanks on the ark

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2006-08-11 07:15am

And what about the evil ducks?

Steven Snyder · Post by **Steven Snyder** » 2006-08-11 09:17am

It never fails to amaze me how a christian that owns and properly cares for an aquarium can turn around and accept the Flood story at face value. Aside from goldfish, keeping the water at just the right spot so your fish don't die is a tedious task.

Pick · Post by **Pick** » 2006-08-11 12:30pm

Dude, Noah brought aboard every animal

. Do you suddenly think fish weren't animals or something?

</fundie>

Yup, another stupid part of an old, stupid story.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2006-08-11 12:31pm

Yes, absolutely. The marine and freshwater faunas worldwide BOTH would have been annihilated.

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2006-08-11 12:36pm

Fundies would simply reply that there was no salt water before the flood. Hell, that's what my parents believe. Lakes and rivers existed before the flood, but no sea or ocean. Water for the oceans just wasn't around before the flood.

Thus no one had to worry about fish that were in salt water. As for the fresh water variety, well...that's all handwavium. That's what it comes down to every single goddamn time I get in a debate with them about this. God is God, thus God can make the fish breathe whatever it needs to to survive until things stabalize (God could make the water rise from anywhere he wanted to, etc).

There's no winning there.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2006-08-11 12:43pm

So God created a fuckton of new species during the Flood, or was that another mass mutation like the Fall?

For fear of stating the obvious, the Flood myth is really fucking stupid. Lately, I've taken to debating the reprehensible immorality of it over the scientific absurdity. Creationists have spent so much effort perfecting their "Flood Geology" talking points that they're often shocked to hear the blasphemous idea that global genocide is a bad thing. Wilhuff Tarkin would be proud.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2006-08-11 12:50pm

You really can't blame the writers of Exodus for the Flood being so laughably impossible- science didn't exist back then.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-08-11 01:05pm

CaptJodan wrote:Fundies would simply reply that there was no salt water before the flood. Hell, that's what my parents believe. Lakes and rivers existed before the flood, but no sea or ocean. Water for the oceans just wasn't around before the flood.

Thus no one had to worry about fish that were in salt water. As for the fresh water variety, well...that's all handwavium. That's what it comes down to every single goddamn time I get in a debate with them about this. God is God, thus God can make the fish breathe whatever it needs to to survive until things stabalize (God could make the water rise from anywhere he wanted to, etc).

There's no winning there.

It is as I said elsewhere: fundies defend absurdities by simply making up more supporting absurdities.

Wyrm · Post by **Wyrm** » 2006-08-11 11:34pm

CaptJodan wrote:Fundies would simply reply that there was no salt water before the flood. Hell, that's what my parents believe. Lakes and rivers existed before the flood, but no sea or ocean. Water for the oceans just wasn't around before the flood.

Thus no one had to worry about fish that were in salt water. As for the fresh water variety, well...that's all handwavium. That's what it comes down to every single goddamn time I get in a debate with them about this. God is God, thus God can make the fish breathe whatever it needs to to survive until things stabalize (God could make the water rise from anywhere he wanted to, etc).

Wait. Then all these fish suddenly aquired the ability to live in salt water, necessitating the appearance of various complex mechanisms for eliminating salts and absorbing water to counter the effects of osmosis. Otherwise, the freshwater fish would dry out and die in the suddenly salty ocean waters!

LAWRDY! ISSA MIRACLE!![/fundie JarJar]

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2006-08-12 12:00am

Wyrm wrote: Wait. Then all these fish suddenly aquired the ability to live in salt water, necessitating the appearance of various complex mechanisms for eliminating salts and absorbing water to counter the effects of osmosis. Otherwise, the freshwater fish would dry out and die in the suddenly salty ocean waters!

LAWRDY! ISSA MIRACLE!![/fundie JarJar]

In their view, God created Heaven and Earth, there's really very little beyond his scope or ability (chariots of iron, I know). They would state that water creatures would simply have been transformed or shielded against the harmful parts the flood gave, then with another grand handwavium move, be put back where they belonged. It's God, and God can do anything. You can't argue with that kind of insane logic, EVEN if you point out the lack of power God had with chariots.

defanatic · Post by **defanatic** » 2006-08-12 07:02am

Fundies... Fundies believe in micro-evolution, and... Super-hyper-evolution. See, before the flood, all the water was... Fresh water or salt water. But not both. So, from sometime between the flood and fairly recently, new fish evolved that could adapt to the new environment (salt water or fresh water respectively). But that's just dumb.

Wyrm · Post by **Wyrm** » 2006-08-12 02:15pm

CaptJodan wrote:In their view, God created Heaven and Earth, there's really very little beyond his scope or ability (chariots of iron, I know). They would state that water creatures would simply have been transformed or shielded against the harmful parts the flood gave, then with another grand handwavium move, be put back where they belonged. It's God, and God can do anything. You can't argue with that kind of insane logic, EVEN if you point out the lack of power God had with chariots.

Then why bother saying there was no salt water before the flood in the first place? Why not just grant a special dispensation during the period of the flood so the fish survive in salty/fresh water as required, and revoke it when the world returns to normal?

Really, they give up any pretense of having their shit being scientific when they pull this. So why bother with the pretense in the first place? Ohyeah, they want their shit taught in schools at the public's expense. Silly me.

Setzer · Post by **Setzer** » 2006-08-12 02:51pm

I once read in a book by Jacques Cousteau (sp?) that there was a myth about that. During the flood, some fish mocked God for the lack of effect the flood had on the fish. He responded by squashing them flat. And that's where Flounder came from.

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2006-08-12 02:58pm

Wyrm wrote: Then why bother saying there was no salt water before the flood in the first place? Why not just grant a special dispensation during the period of the flood so the fish survive in salty/fresh water as required, and revoke it when the world returns to normal?

I'm guessing this is due to the fact that lakes and rivers, by and large (though not exclusively) in todays world are fresh water, and thus they believe only fresh water lakes and rivers existed back then.

Keep in mind that they (my parents at any rate) still believe there was not even any RAIN before the flood. All replenishment of water sources was done by dew (morning dew I assume). Thunder, lightning and dew all came after that. And of course the Rainbow is God's promise that he won't ever flood the entire world again.

CaptJodan · Post by **CaptJodan** » 2006-08-12 03:00pm

Damn lack of edit, "thunder, lightning, and RAIN" came after that.

Wyrm · Post by **Wyrm** » 2006-08-12 05:21pm

CaptJodan wrote:I'm guessing this is due to the fact that lakes and rivers, by and large (though not exclusively) in todays world are fresh water, and thus they believe only fresh water lakes and rivers existed back then.

Keep in mind that they (my parents at any rate) still believe there was not even any RAIN before the flood. All replenishment of water sources was done by dew (morning dew I assume). Thunder, lightning and dew all came after that. And of course the Rainbow is God's promise that he won't ever flood the entire world again.

The stupidity burns. I don't know where to begin arguing against that, because they've given up all pretenses of scientific thinking.