Starships of Star Wars: Legacy

Lazarus · Post by **Lazarus** » 2006-08-11 01:57pm

I like the name of the Pellaeon-class, it gives the Empire a sense of stability and longevity. Looks wise, there's been a lot worse, and its certainly different. Concerning practicality, I'm not too sure, but then if I'm right we haven't seen one in action yet, so for all we know some or most of the weapons could be mounted internally and only 'run out' when in a combat situation. I don't think there's cause to suggest the forward bulge is 'likely' to be a reactor; it could be sensors. The ISD, VSD and the other VSD have they're reactors mounted directly forward of their engines, and considering the size of that central engine, I'd say a reactor mounted internally within the aft sections is likely; what other purpose does having such a large concentrated mass serve?

The Predator is retarded. End of story. I mean, I can't draw for the life of me, and I could produce a better design than this shit.

darthkommandant · Post by **darthkommandant** » 2006-08-11 02:30pm

Personally I like the Pellaeon class SD's lines. But the armament looks a bit too light. I could only make out Point Defense Guns on the picture. Where are the big turrets to take on cap ships? Maybe the guns are stored internally and face foreward but that is retarded as well due to the fact that the back would be completly exposed. I doubt that bulge up front is the main reactor simple because it is way too small to move a ship that size let alone power any weapons.

Now on to the predator. It sucks totally. It looks like someone redesigned the TIE fighter on crack. Those wings would make a nice traget for any pilot provide they dont fly off due to the massive G forces. I also saw the lack of any weapons on the Predator other than the standard blasters. Where are the proton torpedos people?

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2006-08-11 03:21pm

I don't understand why the EU has ships in the GFFA with such pitifully short service-lives. I'd have made the ISDs hundreds (if not thousands) of years old by ANH and still in service many generations after ROTJ.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2006-08-11 03:30pm

Galvatron wrote:I don't understand why the EU has ships in the GFFA with such pitifully short service-lives. I'd have made the ISDs hundreds (if not thousands) of years old by ANH and still in service many generations after ROTJ.

Here here!

It continuelly dilutes the idea of the Tech stagnation that the SW Galaxy has reached when yo uhave newer and newer ships always in production. This is a Galaxy that reached it's tech height almost a thousand years ago. Ships should be in service for hundreds of years, not a few decades!

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2006-08-11 03:37pm

Crossroads Inc. wrote:This is a Galaxy that reached it's tech height almost a thousand years ago.

Earlier than that. Recall for one that we're dealing with a civilisation that's half a million years more advanced than us in the first place.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2006-08-11 03:41pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Crossroads Inc. wrote:This is a Galaxy that reached it's tech height almost a thousand years ago.
Earlier than that. Recall for one that we're dealing with a civilisation that's half a million years more advanced than us in the first place.

Thank you for the correction, which of course makes the idea that massive ships like ISD's and Star Dreadnaughts being put out of service after maybe 50 years simply laughable.

Shoot, ships like Old Repub Dreadnaughts, Victory-SD's and the like should still be in heavy use at least among small systems.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2006-08-11 04:25pm

ships like Old Repub Dreadnaughts, Victory-SD's and the like should still be in heavy use at least among small systems.

Actually, they are. There's also thousands-of-year old freighters and battleships around.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2006-08-11 05:00pm

I can understand the production of new ships, there really hadn't been a large fleet for thosuands of years until the Clone Wars. Athough the post RoTJ EU has had a lot of new ships come into development, many of them come from different factions, especially within the GFFA (Bothans, Mon Cal, etc..)

Anguirus · Post by **Anguirus** » 2006-08-11 05:43pm

The production of new ships seems in many ways to be more of a political decision than a technological one. Which, in all ways, makes sense. The ISD may or may not be better-designed or more powerful than the Pellaeon Star Destroyer...but regardless, in the minds of the galaxy, ISDs scream "old Empire" and these things "new Empire." It's the same as the restarting of galactic warship production at the beginning of the Clone Wars--the technology was always there, but in terms of propaganda it's much more potent to emphasize the brand-new shiny ships bringing troops to the fron than the hundred- and thousand- year old refurbished jobs that were probably used heavily in the early days of the war.

The average inhabitant of the SW galaxy is, in all likelihood, a nincompoop who could not define "technological stasis" but can be very impressed by a big and shiny new ship, which he will ASSUME is better than any preceding warship of a similar nature.

In addition, when one considers what a big business shipbuilding is, and the sheer production capacity available, it is probably in the interest of KDY, CEC, etc to design along the lines of planned obsolecsence. No one wants to buy your new freighter/fighter/Star Destroyer if they can find a ship that's just as good in a junk pile somewhere. But oh, what's this? Your thousand-year-old ship's wiring is shot? Well, it's only ensured for 25 years sir, and of COURSE we don't carry replacement parts anymore. In addition, none of our current upgrade kits will work with that SHOCKINGLY obsolete hull. You'd be much better off buying a new ship from us.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2006-08-11 06:56pm

Anguirus wrote:The production of new ships seems in many ways to be more of a political decision than a technological one.

That seems to be it. There were several "newcomers" benefiting from being on the "right side" of the GCW (Bothans, Mon Cals, Corellians etc) who wanted to gain military contracts.

Then theres's the temporary bizarre focus on many smaller cap ships for the NR (I'm thinking the "New Class" development project), perhaps to de-emphasize the importance of military, following a grueling decades-long war. As we saw in the post-GCW, pre-YVW, this line of thinking didn't last.

In addition, when one considers what a big business shipbuilding is, and the sheer production capacity available, it is probably in the interest of KDY, CEC, etc to design along the lines of planned obsolecsence. No one wants to buy your new freighter/fighter/Star Destroyer if they can find a ship that's just as good in a junk pile somewhere.

That seems to be the line of thinking with the CW-era mentions of KDY, Rendili, Hoersch-Kessel Drive etc. They're treating the conflict as a sales-pitch opportunity. And it makes business-sense to de-emphasize longevity for starships. Why buy more from the same company, if they can last 10 000 years, right?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2006-08-11 07:33pm

Crossroads Inc. wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Crossroads Inc. wrote:This is a Galaxy that reached it's tech height almost a thousand years ago.
Earlier than that. Recall for one that we're dealing with a civilisation that's half a million years more advanced than us in the first place.

Thank you for the correction, which of course makes the idea that massive ships like ISD's and Star Dreadnaughts being put out of service after maybe 50 years simply laughable.

If I recall, it's not so much that they were put out of service but rather that the majority of them were destroyed in the conflicts and wars following the collapse of the Empire.