How would fundies react to a super-STD vaccine?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-08-14 04:02pm

Hypothetically speaking, imagine that someone develops the ultimate STD vaccine. Ignore the question of how this could be done, but let's just say that a vaccine is developed which would provide 100% protection against every kind of STD in existence? How would fundies react? Cautious support? Anger? Fear of rampant promiscuity? Attempts to make sure that no one can take it without meeting a lot of conditions and notifying their parents? I suppose it would be far too much to ask that they be happy for all the lives saved and suffering averted.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2006-08-14 04:14pm

You forgot gazillions of abortions.

Oh, and gays being free to engage in unrestricted sexual activity, the horror!

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2006-08-14 04:15pm

They would oppose it as it would result in greater promiscuity in their view. Also, AIDS is God's way of punishing the sinful.

Moreover, as Orwell pointed out if you control someone's sexuality, you control him completely; and fundies have always been about control. Fear of the reprecussions of sexuality is a means of control more direct than Hell-fire, since it is clearly visible, and such fear would be eliminated with the wonder drug. All that would be left would be the risk of unwanted pregnancy.

Macunaima · Post by **Macunaima** » 2006-08-14 04:19pm

I guess would be a lot of grumble among their ranks, and several attempts to find flaws or other problems with the vaccine, but on the end, the massive support for such a cure for STD would make anything from them just background noise lost in all the cheering from everyone else.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2006-08-14 04:35pm

I haven't seen any harsh reactions to medical treatments for STDs - only the most Phelpsian argue that people with diseases should be left to die as an example to others - so I don't think it's too naive to think that thanks to their unbelievable internal spin doctoring of reality, they'd describe it as yet another example of good Christian doctors loving the sinner by striving to save lives in defiance of careless gay promiscuity.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2006-08-14 04:36pm

You know, it could go the other way and this STD vaccine might be a "miracle from God." I don't know many folks who wouldn't be happy with a cure for HIV.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2006-08-14 04:37pm

The Fundies would freak, shit bricks, make long-winded sermons against science and how it's 'Playing God', and try their damnedest to keep themselves and their children from getting vaccinated. Then the rest of the world would watch them get infected and/or die with a mixture of anger and morbid amusement.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2006-08-14 04:39pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:You know, it could go the other way and this STD vaccine might be a "miracle from God." I don't know many folks who wouldn't be happy with a cure for HIV.

Precisely as I was just saying. You have to think like a fundie: Anything that saves lives has to come from Jesus. It doesn't even help to argue that a condom would perform a similar feat, because on the most simplistic level - where fundies reside - condoms are for fucking and vaccines are for curing diseases.

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2006-08-14 04:43pm

Lagmonster wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:You know, it could go the other way and this STD vaccine might be a "miracle from God." I don't know many folks who wouldn't be happy with a cure for HIV.
Precisely as I was just saying. You have to think like a fundie: Anything that saves lives has to come from Jesus. It doesn't even help to argue that a condom would perform a similar feat, because on the most simplistic level - where fundies reside - condoms are for fucking and vaccines are for curing diseases.

I would see mainstream Christians definately do that. Fundies, I'm not so sure.

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba · Post by **Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba** » 2006-08-14 04:59pm

Lord Zentei wrote:
Lagmonster wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:You know, it could go the other way and this STD vaccine might be a "miracle from God." I don't know many folks who wouldn't be happy with a cure for HIV.
Precisely as I was just saying. You have to think like a fundie: Anything that saves lives has to come from Jesus. It doesn't even help to argue that a condom would perform a similar feat, because on the most simplistic level - where fundies reside - condoms are for fucking and vaccines are for curing diseases.
I would see mainstream Christians definately do that. Fundies, I'm not so sure.

Fundies comprise many types of people. Most of them just put faith in the Bible's creation story, but are morally and ethically people who believe whole-heartedly in Jesus and his 'Love Everyone' sermons. Most of them tune in to the 700 Club just for the prayers and for a nice Christian alk show.

Only the true extremists like Phelps would actively attack this kind of treatment. Fundies might disagree with condoms since it disagrees with God's plans for everyone having dozens of children, and some might even oppose some cures for things like HIV, but only the real crazy ones would oppose this. Besides, their voices would be only whispers compared to the mass celebrations by everyone else.

Remember, it's mostly fundies who become missionaries and go to places like Nigeria and ,yes, proselytize, but also help distribute medicine and irrigation. They aren't all bastions of Hate.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2006-08-14 05:08pm

Though I wasn't around when it happened I'd assume the reaction would be the same as that when birth control pills came out.

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2006-08-14 05:13pm

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:Fundies comprise many types of people. Most of them just put faith in the Bible's creation story, but are morally and ethically people who believe whole-heartedly in Jesus and his 'Love Everyone' sermons. Most of them tune in to the 700 Club just for the prayers and for a nice Christian alk show.

Only the true extremists like Phelps would actively attack this kind of treatment. Fundies might disagree with condoms since it disagrees with God's plans for everyone having dozens of children, and some might even oppose some cures for things like HIV, but only the real crazy ones would oppose this. Besides, their voices would be only whispers compared to the mass celebrations by everyone else.

I am skeptical that anyone who opposes a cure for AIDS and who opposes intelligent sex ed options would not be opposed to this.

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:Remember, it's mostly fundies who become missionaries and go to places like Nigeria and ,yes, proselytize, but also help distribute medicine and irrigation. They aren't all bastions of Hate.

The hatemongers command most attention, though, even if not all fundies would react this way.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2006-08-14 05:14pm

For those saying they dont get uptight about this sort of thing..are you forgetting the shitfest that has ensued about a herpes vaccine?

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2006-08-14 05:16pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:For those saying they dont get uptight about this sort of thing..are you forgetting the shitfest that has ensued about a herpes vaccine?

That sounds unsurprising, though I had not heard about it. Linka?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2006-08-14 05:22pm

Link

Religious groups opposed the HPV vacine because it would take away fear of having sex and was therefor bad.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2006-08-14 05:25pm

Lord Zentei wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote:For those saying they dont get uptight about this sort of thing..are you forgetting the shitfest that has ensued about a herpes vaccine?
That sounds unsurprising, though I had not heard about it. Linka?

Search for 'HPV' on the board., There's a bunch of threads on it and papilloma vaccines.

And I'm rather surprised it wasn't mentioned earlier in this thread; it's a natural outgrowth of threads about Fundies blocking STD medicine's use and development.

Dillon · Post by **Dillon** » 2006-08-14 05:42pm

I believe a thread was posted a while ago on this very board about a new vaccine for Malaria, or something similar. In the article it stated some conservatives were weary of it because it might increase promiscuity (I guess Malaria can be transmitted by sex).

Don't forget either about the Vatican's stooges who are hindering comdon distribution in Africa.

I suspect their attitude would be simiar towards the hypothetical vaccine speculated about in this thread.

I suspect we'd quickly see a flurry of reports on the dangers of the vaccine by politically motivated sources.

Plekhanov · Post by **Plekhanov** » 2006-08-14 06:41pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:You know, it could go the other way and this STD vaccine might be a "miracle from God." I don't know many folks who wouldn't be happy with a cure for HIV.

It would seem you are unaware of all those 'folks' who got upset at the prospect of the HPV virus and who are even now actively working to prevent it's introduction in the US.

vargo · Post by **vargo** » 2006-08-14 06:50pm

The condom industry would go out of business

Infidel7 · Post by **Infidel7** » 2006-08-14 06:54pm

Empirical proof that science is godless and immoral and only leads to bad things. God would never allow something that protects the evil sex fiends that modern america has bred. It must be the work of the devil.

Plekhanov · Post by **Plekhanov** » 2006-08-14 06:59pm

vargo wrote:The condom industry would go out of business

No it would continue just with a reduced market as condoms don’t just stop STIs but unwanted pregnancies as well.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2006-08-14 07:03pm

They'd likely use the same tactics they've been using against the HPV vaccine--quietly lobby the FDA behind the scenes to keep it off the market based on dubious "safety" concerns. Though HPV is pretty obscure, while everybody knows what HIV is. For this kind of campaign to work, the public has to be generally unaware of what's going on, and that's not likely with an HIV vaccine.

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2006-08-14 08:55pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:For those saying they dont get uptight about this sort of thing..are you forgetting the shitfest that has ensued about a herpes vaccine?

Blast it to hell, HPV, not herpes.
You got my damn hopes up there; I've had a cold sore that recurs every year or so since I was a kid, and I'd give both little fingers to never have it pop up again.

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2006-08-14 09:47pm

Plekhanov wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:You know, it could go the other way and this STD vaccine might be a "miracle from God." I don't know many folks who wouldn't be happy with a cure for HIV.
It would seem you are unaware of all those 'folks' who got upset at the prospect of the HPV virus and who are even now actively working to prevent it's introduction in the US.

*woosh*
Sound of what you just said goin right over my noggin.

Dominus Atheos · Post by **Dominus Atheos** » 2006-08-14 09:58pm

CaptainChewbacca wrote:
Plekhanov wrote:
CaptainChewbacca wrote:You know, it could go the other way and this STD vaccine might be a "miracle from God." I don't know many folks who wouldn't be happy with a cure for HIV.
It would seem you are unaware of all those 'folks' who got upset at the prospect of the HPV virus and who are even now actively working to prevent it's introduction in the US.
*woosh*
Sound of what you just said goin right over my noggin.

Aleskya posted a link about it, try reading it.