Is all sex rape?? Yikes.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2006-08-15 10:28am

possibly the scariest thread i have ever gazed on..

I didn't realize that super-long URLs can stretch the page!

Is all sex rape? Can communists be rapists? Should we enforce celibacy in our ranks?

What is MIM's position?

What is the Trotskyist line

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2006-08-15 10:34am

What a bunch of lunatics.

But hey, if they don't have sex there is the chance that they'll die out eventually.

PS: you might want to ask a moderator to break that link. I don't think we have any need for a commie invasion.

drachefly · Post by **drachefly** » 2006-08-15 10:46am

I find this hilarious. They take a rather debatable proposition, accept it as true, and only in the last post raise the obvious solution to the whole question.
At times they go to great lengths to avoid the obvious solution.

*sigh*

drachefly · Post by **drachefly** » 2006-08-15 10:49am

The obvious solution I am referring to is, of course, that the exploitative elements of sex are not intrinsic, though they are very common; so the proper response would be to identify the ways they are exploitative, and develop a protocol to avoid the exploitation.

Just like when they say 'Capitalistic production is exploitation', the solution is not to ban production, it is to change how production is made.

Of course, with thinking skills like that, it's pretty clear how screwed up their answers to the production question would be.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-08-15 12:36pm

Lord Zentei wrote:PS: you might want to ask a moderator to break that link. I don't think we have any need for a commie invasion.

To be honest, I find the (rather low) likelihood of commie invasions less annoying than the ultra-wide page which is necessitated by showing the broken link, so I dressed it.

As for the thread subject, these communist uber-feminist chicks who say this either aren't getting laid well, or aren't getting laid at all.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2006-08-15 12:44pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Lord Zentei wrote:PS: you might want to ask a moderator to break that link. I don't think we have any need for a commie invasion.
To be honest, I find the (rather low) likelihood of commie invasions less annoying than the ultra-wide page which is necessitated by showing the broken link, so I dressed it.

As for the thread subject, these communist uber-feminist chicks who say this either aren't getting laid well, or aren't getting laid at all.

I thought I dressed that link mike

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-08-15 12:45pm

theski wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
Lord Zentei wrote:PS: you might want to ask a moderator to break that link. I don't think we have any need for a commie invasion.
To be honest, I find the (rather low) likelihood of commie invasions less annoying than the ultra-wide page which is necessitated by showing the broken link, so I dressed it.

As for the thread subject, these communist uber-feminist chicks who say this either aren't getting laid well, or aren't getting laid at all.
I thought I dressed that link mike

It wasn't dressed when I saw the page. If another mod edited it, he didn't bother identifying himself.

Talanth · Post by **Talanth** » 2006-08-15 02:15pm

I gave up reading soon after this:

All sex is rape in the sense that it involves coercion and lack of consent.

And from what others here have writen nothing much changed as the thread went on.

To be honest I feel sorry for them. The world must look strange when you're that far over he horison.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2006-08-15 02:18pm

I've seen some uber-feminists before who said that sex was "rape" even if the man asked the woman and she said yes, because there is implied pressure behind asking her.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2006-08-15 02:27pm

Darth Wong wrote:I've seen some uber-feminists before who said that sex was "rape" even if the man asked the woman and she said yes, because there is implied pressure behind asking her.

Andrea Dworkin is infamous for that sort of fucked-up unreasoning.

Post by **Edi** » 2006-08-15 02:38pm

Darth Wong wrote:I've seen some uber-feminists before who said that sex was "rape" even if the man asked the woman and she said yes, because there is implied pressure behind asking her.

So what about when a woman asks a man and he says yes? What do this kind of idiots say to that?

Edi

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2006-08-15 02:48pm

You know, with all the right wing idiocy in this country today, a little old-fashioned left-wing idiocy is refreshing. I miss the days when I could make fun of commies instead of the people who are nominally on my side.

CJvR · Post by **CJvR** » 2006-08-15 03:12pm

There was an amusing story a while ago about lesbian feminazis who thought that any woman who agreed to having sex with a man was a gender traitor. Perhaps they just didn't like the competition...

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2006-08-15 03:43pm

Edi wrote: So what about when a woman asks a man and he says yes? What do this kind of idiots say to that?

Edi

He obviously pressured her into asking so that he wouldn't HAVE to ask. Either in an attempt to be lazy or an attempt to fool her into thinking she had no choice in the matter by tricking her into thinking it was her choice to begin with. Doom would be pleased.

theski · Post by **theski** » 2006-08-15 05:15pm

RedImperator wrote:You know, with all the right wing idiocy in this country today, a little old-fashioned left-wing idiocy is refreshing. I miss the days when I could make fun of commies instead of the people who are nominally on my side.

My point for posting it..

Darth Lucifer · Post by **Darth Lucifer** » 2006-08-15 07:23pm

DaretoStruggle@Commie Central wrote:Nobody says there is "exploitation lite." There is exploitation and superexploitation.

But one IS more 'lite' than the other, Dumbfuck.

That was Hyenagirl's point about bringing up the following:

DtS wrote:...there are different kinds of rape, some that we should be way beyond tolerating."

Hyenagirl wrote:I am NOT saying that. I am saying "rape is rape." Date rape is rape too! Not just "rape lite."

And (sinice you asked my opinion) I am appalled by a notion that some rape is "way beyond tolerating" (and some apparently is not beyond tolerating!) In other words, you are the one saying there is something that is just "rape lite" and is tolerable.

Hyenagirl brings up other interesting points too. I can't wait to see how this thread develops.

Post by **Broomstick** » 2006-08-15 08:33pm

Edi wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:I've seen some uber-feminists before who said that sex was "rape" even if the man asked the woman and she said yes, because there is implied pressure behind asking her.
So what about when a woman asks a man and he says yes? What do this kind of idiots say to that?

She's coercing him?

Hey, I've chosen celibacy at times in my life for my own personal reasons, but I have never had the notion of giving up sex for good. What lunacy.

Of course, when asshats are going to such lengths to avoid patriarchy they're using spellings like "womyn" and "persynal" you know they've gone so long without getting fucked in their genitals they are now fucked in the head.

Sex feels good (if it doesn't, you're not doing it right). Sex is fun. And more threatening to those who wish to control people - it's free, it's easy, and you don't have to buy expensive equipment or study hard to do it.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2006-08-15 10:19pm

Communists are famously puritanical, for reasons Orwell outlined fifty years ago. Sex divides loyalties, especially in the modern era, when proper precautions makes sex without consequences possible. It saps energy properly devoted to the struggle, to the proletariat, to the revolution, to the state. The Catholic Church used the same justification when it imposed chastity on all its clergy.

Throw in a little crazy from the lunatic fringe of the feminist movement, and you've got some world class idiocy. Oh, yeah, and a disgusting insult to actual rape victims by claiming they're no different from women having voluntary intercourse.

Molyneux · Post by **Molyneux** » 2006-08-17 07:15am

Patrick Degan wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:I've seen some uber-feminists before who said that sex was "rape" even if the man asked the woman and she said yes, because there is implied pressure behind asking her.
Andrea Dworkin is infamous for that sort of fucked-up unreasoning.

Apparently, at least in this case, it's wrongly attributed to her:
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/mackinno.htm