Fallout on Endor, Post DS2

Counciler · Post by **Counciler** » 2006-08-17 03:04pm

Where can I find information on the fragments of the destroyed DS2 falling on Endor? I have heard stories about the extinction of the Ewoks... but never any solid links or books that talk about it.

I checked the SW Databank for info, but neither the Movies Tab or the EU Tab shed any light on it...

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2006-08-17 03:08pm

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/

Counciler · Post by **Counciler** » 2006-08-17 03:27pm

Thank you.

DesertFly · Post by **DesertFly** » 2006-08-17 04:06pm

It's pretty much been explicilty denied by at least one mucky-muck high up in the Lucas Empire. I don't remember exactly who and I don't remember the exact quote, but it was something like, "Sure, in real life the holocaust would have happened, but this is Star Wars, and I'm saying that in this universe it didn't. Because I said so." A load of crap, for sure, but unless we get another book contradicting it, that seems to be the official policy right now.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2006-08-17 04:09pm

DesertFly wrote:I don't remember exactly who

Pablo Hidalgo.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-08-17 04:39pm

As far as I know, the only canon account of debris impacting Endor post-battle is the Tales story "Marooned", in which a Rebel and an Imperial stranded on the moon witness fragments of the Death Star, as well as a derelict star destroyer, impacted on or impacting on the surface. However, there is no evidence of considerable environmental damage (the story takes place thirteen months after the battle).

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2006-08-17 04:57pm

Wasn't there a source with a museum for extinct species, one of which being "the Ewoks of Endor"?

Also, it's easy as hell to just say every post-ROTJ source shows New Endor or Endor II, the colony world donated to Ewok survivors for their contribution to the Alliance. It'd be easy to get hundreds of those furballs into a Mon Cal cruiser and shipped off-world. Just have their "god" C-3PO tell them to get ready for a "magical journey to the heavens", like a doomsday cult.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-08-17 05:06pm

VT-16 wrote:Also, it's easy as hell to just say every post-ROTJ source shows New Endor or Endor II, the colony world donated to Ewok survivors for their contribution to the Alliance. It'd be easy to get hundreds of those furballs into a Mon Cal cruiser and shipped off-world. Just have their "god" C-3PO tell them to get ready for a "magical journey to the heavens", like a doomsday cult.

I don't think that such a retecon would account for the stranded Imperial soldier and the crashed star destroyer, though, unless the Rebels transplanted the Ewoks really quickly, and the Empire fought and lost again to stop them from doing it.

Steel · Post by **Steel** » 2006-08-17 06:36pm

That would beg the question of what the strategic or morale value of wiping out the Ewoks is? I wouldnt send a lone bomber after them, let alone a star destroyer.

Counciler · Post by **Counciler** » 2006-08-17 08:29pm

Steel wrote:That would beg the question of what the strategic or morale value of wiping out the Ewoks is? I wouldnt send a lone bomber after them, let alone a star destroyer.

Vengeance, perhaps? Maybe not too 'strategic'... but it is a plausible reason.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2006-08-18 12:35am

There is the small problem of how anyone would survive an extinction event occuring on the planet, though.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2006-08-18 01:02am

VT-16 wrote:Wasn't there a source with a museum for extinct species, one of which being "the Ewoks of Endor"?

The entire thing was a propaganda display really, I'd take ANYTHING from it with a ton of salt.

And like it or love it, the Endor destruction event has been ignored by Lucasfilm. I don't really like it at all, but its the universe we have to live with.

DesertFly · Post by **DesertFly** » 2006-08-18 01:24am

Going with my previous post, I found the place where it talks about the Endor Holocaust (or lack thereof). Go here. In the middle of the page is a scrolling display, which will eventually switch to "Questions and Answers". Click on that. When the window pops up, use the little menu in the upper left to navigate to "Episode VI Lore", then scroll down below that to the question "Did Endor suffer a huge cataclysm after the Death Star?". That will tell you what you need to know. It doesn't say who it's by, but I believe that Master Spanky is correct and it was Pablo Hidalgo answering questions.

Executor32 · Post by **Executor32** » 2006-08-18 01:53am

It was indeed Pablo Hidalgo, I have the issue of SWI in which the question and answer were originally printed.

fusion · Post by **fusion** » 2006-08-18 11:31am

However, the problem is that no one really cared even when entire species was wiped out by a super nova.

"In a sector of the galaxy Boba Fett had never heard of, a star went nova; it murdered a world and an entire sentient species. It aroused less comment than had the destruction of Alderaan, only a decade prior; the galaxy at large barely noticed the tragedy, and Fett never heard about it. In a galaxy with over four hundred billion stars, over twenty million intelligent species, such things are bound to happen."

From pg. 301 of Tales of the Bounty Hunters hardcover.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-08-18 01:24pm

fusion wrote:However, the problem is that no one really cared even when entire species was wiped out by a super nova.
"In a sector of the galaxy Boba Fett had never heard of, a star went nova; it murdered a world and an entire sentient species. It aroused less comment than had the destruction of Alderaan, only a decade prior; the galaxy at large barely noticed the tragedy, and Fett never heard about it. In a galaxy with over four hundred billion stars, over twenty million intelligent species, such things are bound to happen."
From pg. 301 of Tales of the Bounty Hunters hardcover.

How is that a problem? Aside from the fact that its completely unrelated to the topic at hand (whether or not LFL ever acknowledged any sort of cataclysm, and how to rationalize the fact that they didn't), the Ewoks, though primative, played an important role in the Alliance's eventual victory over the Empire, and as such, were worthy of some notice. For all we know, the planet you mention was a barely-explored backwater unimportant to all but its own inhabitants; the fact that the entire native species was wiped out suggests that they didn't even have FTL capability.

Vehrec · Post by **Vehrec** » 2006-08-18 08:09pm

It also implies that they couldn't avoid the comming supernova. They might not have even been advanced enough to tell that particular star was in the last stages of its life. At least, not until the sky filled with light, and gamma rays blasted every living thing with enough energy to give them acute radiation sickness.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2006-08-19 12:56am

Chris OFarrell wrote:
VT-16 wrote:Wasn't there a source with a museum for extinct species, one of which being "the Ewoks of Endor"?

The entire thing was a propaganda display really, I'd take ANYTHING from it with a ton of salt.

And like it or love it, the Endor destruction event has been ignored by Lucasfilm. I don't really like it at all, but its the universe we have to live with.

Indeed, that was the Imperial Museum on Coruscant with the 'extinct Ewoks' which Wedge Antillis gave the impression that it was straight propaganda and his opinion, there were still Ewoks on Endor.

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2006-08-19 02:20am

Dosen't the apperances of Ewoks post ROTJ (Dark Empire? The Dark Nest Trilogy) coroborate the thinking that it is just propaganda. If the Ewoks had been wiped out then where did these little yahoos come from. I 'spose you could say that the rebels took some with them after the party, but why would they?

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-08-19 02:31am

havokeff wrote:Dosen't the apperances of Ewoks post ROTJ (Dark Empire? The Dark Nest Trilogy) coroborate the thinking that it is just propaganda. If the Ewoks had been wiped out then where did these little yahoos come from. I 'spose you could say that the rebels took some with them after the party, but why would they?

Whether Endor was wiped out or not, there is canon mention of a colony of 20,000 or so Ewoks off-world at some point after ROTJ. Either this was due to a last ditch attempt to save the species from extinction by the Rebels as their world was consumed by massive impact events (which seems unlikely in face of evidence like the comic I mentioned, even if the absense makes little sense), or some Ewok decided to reach for the stars and a war veteran in the New Republic decided to do him and a few of hs friends a favor. Either way, the existance of Ewoks later on can be easily accounted for.

Havok · Post by **Havok** » 2006-08-19 03:14am

Hmm. I just read the Endor Extinction article. A few things came to mind. How far away from Yavin IV was the DS I when it blew? Also, how long would this nuclear winter have lasted? I remember in the Dark Nest Trilogy (I keep referencing it 'cause it's the last EU series I read) that Jacen tells Luke that he took Ben camping on Endor as a cover story... wouldn't that be a creepy fucking place to take a kid camping?

I'm sure this has all been covered in another thread... If anyone has the link, could you post it?